Speaking in tongues?

[Biblica]

Gal 2:7-9
Who are you & who teaches you the gospel ?
ez question to answer :)

I don't read much else but the Bible and sometimes I am led to read something else. I was a nominal Christian for eleven years, then the Lord began to baptize me with the Spirit and I didn't even know what it was at the time. He was preparing me for ministry I wasn't even planning to do. He began by giving me the gift of prophecy which is a teaching gift in the word. I could not get enough of scripture. I would read a complicated passage and He would feed me the interpretation and then I would listen to a pastor on tv say the same thing I had just been taught. This happened over and over again. I received tongues a year later. Some say that tongues is the initial sign, but in Acts they received tongues and prophecy initially. After about four years of this, my husband and I lost our house in a failed business venture. We got our first travel trailer and spent nine years doing outreach. Then the Lord sent us to the churches and we ministered fulltime for twenty-six years in mostly denominational churches. We spent a total of thirty-five years living fulltime in campers. We retired from the road when Covid shut us down. Now I just write books and minister online. I actually reach more people this way.

You know we really shouldn't be arguing about tongues, it is not the most important gift. You should just go to God and ask Him to give you what you need for ministry.

 

[Dryhn]

I don't read much else but the Bible and sometimes I am led to read something else. I was a nominal Christian for eleven years, then the Lord began to baptize me with the Spirit and I didn't even know what it was at the time. He was preparing me for ministry I wasn't even planning to do. He began by giving me the gift of prophecy which is a teaching gift in the word. I could not get enough of scripture. I would read a complicated passage and He would feed me the interpretation and then I would listen to a pastor on tv say the same thing I had just been taught. This happened over and over again. I received tongues a year later. Some say that tongues is the initial sign, but in Acts they received tongues and prophecy initially. After about four years of this, my husband and I lost our house in a failed business venture. We got our first travel trailer and spent nine years doing outreach. Then the Lord sent us to the churches and we ministered fulltime for twenty-six years in mostly denominational churches. We spent a total of thirty-five years living fulltime in campers. We retired from the road when Covid shut us down. Now I just write books and minister online. I actually reach more people this way.

You know we really shouldn't be arguing about tongues, it is not the most important gift. You should just go to God and ask Him to give you what you need for ministry.

Simple questions often destroys false doctrine :)

Gal 2:7-9
Who are you & who teaches you the Gospel ?

 

[Biblica]

Simple questions often destroys false doctrine :)

Gal 2:7-9
Who are you & who teaches you the Gospel ?

I am a Christian and the Bible teaches me the gospel.

 

[Dryhn]

I am a Christian and the Bible teaches me the gospel.

Gal 2:7-9 is in the Bible :)
Who are you & who teaches you the gospel ?
Easy question :)

 

[Biblica]

Classic CHARISMATIC response.

I don't care if you are Pentecostal, Oneness Pentecostal, Assembly of God, Foursquare or Goofey and Pluto ministering at the First Holiness Church of the Ridgid Fridgid. You are wrong.

I am not going to play "one up" with you. You glory in your flesh and call it the Holy Ghost; not a wise practice but that is between you and the Lord at the Judgement Seat of Christ.

I don't care if you have been "pastoring" for 75 years. You are wrong. The Nazarene Church got its start because they rejected your nonsense.

There is no such thing as "more" of Christ. We are COMPLETE in HIM. Colossians 2: 8-12.

It is not I who "judgeth" you, it is the words of God.

(Edit: FYI, Charismatic is the term used by theologians worldwide to describe the collection of churches who practice that tongues nonsense. I surrendered to Christ, was immersed in water and "got the hully gust" in a UPC in the mountains of Idaho. I followed that nonsense [tie-my-bow-tie] for ten years as I stated earlier. Again you make self righteous assumptions so you can glory in your flesh over others)

Charismatics and Pentecostals are two different things. The Charismatics basically sprang out of the Kenneth Hagan, Kenneth Copeland prosperity false doctrine camp. Pentecostals are spirit-filled Christians who have experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit as exemplified in Acts. They are not a denomination. It is just a word that describes someone who has had the baptism. I am familiar with the UPC and for the most part are a pretty legalistic group, teaching that you are not saved unless you are speaking in tongues which is nonsense. I am glad you got out of them, but you should not have had to leave the Spirit behind in order to do that. You keep making judgmental statements about me which now I know is a holdover from your UPC days. I forgive you.

 

[Biblica]

Gal 2:7-9 is in the Bible :)
Who are you & who teaches you the gospel ?
Easy question :)

I was not taught by any man only the Lord and scripture. I answered your question. To be specific, when I first received Jesus through an explanation of the gospel by my husband, I had some doubts so I studied the Old Testament and that verified to me that Jesus is the Messiah. So when you ask me who taught me the Gospel, my understanding is not exclusively from the New Testament, it comes from the entire counsel of scripture. This has effectively equipped me to minister to Jews and Muslims.

 

[Biblica]

You, my friend, are deceived.
1 Cor 14;22

From your responses I don't think that you have ever experienced the Lord's presence. The UPC is characterized by a very strong religious spirit. People under that spirit, whether they are Pentecostals or Baptists never really have a sense of the presence of the Lord in their lives. This is something you should take to the Lord in prayer and ask him to remove any religious spirits that may have attached themselves to you from the UPC.

 

[Dryhn]

I was not taught by any man only the Lord and scripture. I answered your question.

You're a Christian yet you can't answer a simple ez question ?
Here, try again :)
In Gal 2:7-9, who are you & who teaches you the gospel ?

 

[Biblica]

In that case it will be easy for you to list MANY OCCURENCES where today a critically ill baby in hospital fully recovered within hours of having hands laid on them, please list one TIA :)

I can only testify about what happened to me. I had an eyestroke. It was photographed and I was instructed to return in a week to begin a series of shots into my eyeball. I was not looking forward to the experience but I was praying fervently that God would heal me as a testimony to the doctors. I wasn't concerned about myself, I only wanted to glorify God. I returned the next week and they photographed my eye again and compared the two photos. The doctor studied the photos then he turned to me and said, "This is a miracle." Then he showed me the photos and the spot that need the shot was completely normalized. The doctor shook my hand and said, "I am not goin to give you the shot." And I danced out of the building into the parking lot shouting, "Jesus heals!" I was also healed instantly of neuralgia, a condition I had suffered with for seven years. I was at a service where a woman testified how she was healed from sciatica, another painful nerve disease. She said that the Lord told her to make her pain an offering to Him. She did and the pain left immediately. I thought if a demon is making you sick and you make your pain an offering to the Lord, you are turning your pain into praise. A demon can't praise so it would have to leave. So I made my pain an offering to the Lord and no more neuralgia. I also get the Voice of the Martyrs magazine and there are always testimonies of miraculous healings and even cases when people have been raised from the dead. I met a woman who raised the dead a few times. She was an associate pastor at a church we were attending in California.

 

[Dryhn]

I can only testify about what happened to me. I had an eyestroke. It was photographed and I was instructed to return in a week to begin a series of shots into my eyeball. I was not looking forward to the experience but I was praying fervently that God would heal me as a testimony to the doctors. I wasn't concerned about myself, I only wanted to glorify God. I returned the next week and they photographed my eye again and compared the two photos. The doctor studied the photos then he turned to me and said, "This is a miracle." Then he showed me the photos and the spot that need the shot was completely normalized. The doctor shook my hand and said, "I am not goin to give you the shot." And I danced out of the building into the parking lot shouting, "Jesus heals!" I was also healed instantly of neuralgia, a condition I had suffered with for seven years. I was at a service where a woman testified how she was healed from sciatica, another painful nerve disease. She said that the Lord told her to make her pain an offering to Him. She did and the pain left immediately. I thought if a demon is making you sick and you make your pain an offering to the Lord, you are turning your pain into praise. A demon can't praise so it would have to leave. So I made my pain an offering to the Lord and no more neuralgia. I also get the Voice of the Martyrs magazine and there are always testimonies of miraculous healings and even cases when people have been raised from the dead. I met a woman who raised the dead a few times. She was an associate pastor at a church we were attending in California.

List just one confirmed verifiable occurrence 'today' of a critically ill baby that recovered within hours of having hands laid on them

 

[JimKnox]

You have to have humility to ask for anything. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a real experience. Some of the great revivalists asked God for the baptism and the result was massive salvations. The baptism is meant for equipping for ministry. If you don't have a ministry, then you don't need it, but the infilling of the Spirit makes you closer to God, if that is what you want. His presence is tangible.

You are conflating two separate doctrines.
It's a common mistake by carnal charismatics who pretend to be theologians.
The baptism of the Holy Spirit today is NOT a repeat of Acts 2.
EVERY believer has a ministry. There you go again with your self righteous elitism.

 

[markalan]

I can only testify about what happened to me. I had an eyestroke. It was photographed and I was instructed to return in a week to begin a series of shots into my eyeball. I was not looking forward to the experience but I was praying fervently that God would heal me as a testimony to the doctors. I wasn't concerned about myself, I only wanted to glorify God. I returned the next week and they photographed my eye again and compared the two photos. The doctor studied the photos then he turned to me and said, "This is a miracle." Then he showed me the photos and the spot that need the shot was completely normalized. The doctor shook my hand and said, "I am not goin to give you the shot." And I danced out of the building into the parking lot shouting, "Jesus heals!" I was also healed instantly of neuralgia, a condition I had suffered with for seven years. I was at a service where a woman testified how she was healed from sciatica, another painful nerve disease. She said that the Lord told her to make her pain an offering to Him. She did and the pain left immediately. I thought if a demon is making you sick and you make your pain an offering to the Lord, you are turning your pain into praise. A demon can't praise so it would have to leave. So I made my pain an offering to the Lord and no more neuralgia. I also get the Voice of the Martyrs magazine and there are always testimonies of miraculous healings and even cases when people have been raised from the dead. I met a woman who raised the dead a few times. She was an associate pastor at a church we were attending in California.

A wonderful testimony.

 

[Dryhn]

A wonderful testimony.

Yet no mention of ANY baby in critical care that fully recovered c/- lay hands << that would be a WONDEFUL testimony :)

 

[markalan]

List just one confirmed verifiable occurrence 'today' of a critically ill baby that recovered within hours of having hands laid on them

One could ask for a confirmed verifiable occurrence in the Bible of a critically ill baby that recovered within hours of having hands laid on them ... but never mind, I believe babies were probably among those who were healed, even though the Bible does not say so specifically.

You could also ask why 1 Cor 12:30 says "gifts of healing" (gifts - plural). Actually the word in Greek is "healings" - also plural.

Do you also reject James 5:14-15?
Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church,
and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up.

There are wonderful testimonies on Youtube ... if you are not just a naysayer, but genuinely interested in seeking truth, you will find them.

 

[Dryhn]

One could ask for a confirmed verifiable occurrence in the Bible of a critically ill baby that recovered within hours of having hands laid on them ... but never mind, I believe babies were probably among those who were healed, even though the Bible does not say so specifically.

You could also ask why 1 Cor 12:30 says "gifts of healing" (gifts - plural). Actually the word in Greek is "healings" - also plural.

Do you also reject James 5:14-15?
Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church,
and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up.

There are wonderful testimonies on Youtube ... if you are not just a naysayer, but genuinely interested in seeking truth, you will find them.

If someone claims miraculous healings continue today then it will be SUPER DUPER easy to find one where a critically ill baby recovers within hours of laying hands.
Simply list one :)

 

[markalan]

If someone claims miraculous healings continue today then it will be SUPER DUPER easy to find one where a critically ill baby recovers within hours of laying hands.
Simply list one :)

Have you looked?

 

[Berserk]

Jim Knox: "It is the pinnacle of preumption to ask for a gift."

Duh! "Strive eagerly for the greatest spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12;31)."

 

[Dryhn]

Have you looked?

Yes, nothing so if anyone can list a confirmed verifiable occurrence I will gladly look into it for discussion here

 

[markalan]

Yes, nothing so if anyone can list a confirmed verifiable occurrence I will gladly look into it for discussion here

If you have genuinely looked and found nothing that you are willing to accept as a miraculous healing from God, then I cannot help you.

Let me ask you this, if you had an infant child who was dying, would you hold your child and ask God to heal him/her?

 

[Dryhn]

If you have genuinely looked and found nothing that you are willing to accept as a miraculous healing from God, then I cannot help you.

Let me ask you this, if you had an infant child who was dying, would you hold your child and ask God to heal him/her?

If you have genuinely looked and found nothing
If there were any genuine cases people here would have listed them by now.

would you hold your child and ask God to heal him/her?
Yes and if GOD so chose to GOD would.

Part of a PhD series which I doubt you will watch