Sola Scriptura - does this foundation make you a heretic

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mjrhealth

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i get the impression that you reject Scripture because It is not the Book of Truth, as you believe It should be. Iow the Bible is not logically translatable, ergo it must be lying or in error, like that.
Where may I ask did I say I reject scripture, that is akin to putting words in ones mouth, which is what men do when they insist that the bible is Gods word, How would you like it, if someone wrote a book, put a whole lot of stuff in it that you never said, you never did, than made a claim it was all your word, dont you think you might be a little unhappy???

The bible contains much of what God has to say to man, but that does not make teh whole bible God, neither is God limited to teh words in a book, it is man that limits God but putting Him into a box and shutting teh Lid. You have Sealed His mouth, bound His hands and fettered His feet, God who created the universe and all things gets reduced to mans miserable imagination.
 

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not the magisterium of the catholic church that's for sure. and why does any one get to decide what you ask here? there's no need for it. though yes it has happened in Christian history. but if you can get a KJV you can get the Jerusalem bible that has all the documentation, and is considered accurate even in catholic circles, or you can get a stones or any other Jewish document related to scripture heck you can get them all online now. so any errors do to human intervention has been eliminated hasn't it?
Hi DPM,

Sounds like YOU just decided who DOESN'T get to decide.

Does that make you THE authority? Since you know it is NOT the magisterium of the Catholic Church then you must know who has the authority?

I say The Church, which is the pillar and foundation of Truth, is the authority.

Mary
 
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But really, i hope you see that it doesn't matter too much--you affirm the Scriptures whenever you quote them anyway, but it just makes you harder to understand
It matters because it is teh difference between knowing "about" God and knowing God, you dont want to be one who,

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

How do you think a mans wife would feel if when she insisted they went to bed, He would pick up a book, and say, nah ill just read about it.. A book doen not a relationship make. God gave us teh way, it is up to you as to wheter you choose it or not.
 

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Where may I ask did I say I reject scripture, that is akin to putting words in ones mouth, which is what men do when they insist that the bible is Gods word, How would you like it, if someone wrote a book, put a whole lot of stuff in it that you never said, you never did, than made a claim it was all your word, dont you think you might be a little unhappy?
ok, then i'll say that i am not the first to get this impression, and it seems to me that you seek Christ, so you might address this misunderstanding.

You already know that i know the Bible is not the Word, but It is God~Breathed, meaning Word was heard by someone who wrote It down, granted that It is not always faithfully translated, which is why It cannot be Word, but it seems like you dismiss even the Original as being not from God? Which, btw, is where we can learn that the Bible is not the Word? So i kind of don't get it, which is why i brought it up.
 

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Hi DPM,

Sounds like YOU just decided who DOESN'T get to decide.

Does that make you THE authority? Since you know it is NOT the magisterium of the Catholic Church then you must know who has the authority?

I say The Church, which is the pillar and foundation of Truth, is the authority.

Mary


first off, decided what? are you talking about the posting I responded to, or do you just have a problem with anyone that doesn't acknowledge your views of the catholic church as true?


no one has the authority to add or subtract, though some do (hence human intervention). but it doesn't matter, Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of scripture according to the Father, to and in mankind, therefore He is the genuine interpretation of scripture, which includes the authority thereof. in the Kingdom of God Jesus is the authority and what He thinks and says is it, anything that disagrees with the Lord will not be with the Lord in His Kingdom.

anything else you need to know, see the bible.
 
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The bible contains much of what God has to say to man, but that does not make teh whole bible God, neither is God limited to teh words in a book, it is man that limits God but putting Him into a box and shutting teh Lid. You have Sealed His mouth, bound His hands and fettered His feet, God who created the universe and all things gets reduced to mans miserable imagination.
tbh i think God set this up for a reason, because imagine if new believers all found Word on like year one! Better to grapple with the Bible conundrums some first, and if you show yourself to be a little Hitler, which is so common to humans, prolly better to just leave you fighting God with Scripture, is my opinion there. Word can make people who are not prepared literally insane, or get them accused of being drunk at 9 am, etc. Well ok, that is Gospel that is recorded as doing that, but Gospel is Word.
 

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It matters because it is teh difference between knowing "about" God and knowing God, you dont want to be one who,

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

How do you think a mans wife would feel if when she insisted they went to bed, He would pick up a book, and say, nah ill just read about it.. A book doen not a relationship make. God gave us teh way, it is up to you as to wheter you choose it or not.
i totally agree, but i see you lamenting a fact of life here, and i tell you again that a bunch of unprepared part timers discovering what Word actually is would not serve God, and Word is occluded for a good reason imo

4...do not find love until you are ready
 

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tbh i think God set this up for a reason, because imagine if new believers all found Word on like year one! Better to grapple with the Bible conundrums some first, and if you show yourself to be a little Hitler, which is so common to humans, prolly better to just leave you fighting God with Scripture, is my opinion there. Word can make people who are not prepared literally insane, or get them accused of being drunk at 9 am, etc. Well ok, that is Gospel that is recorded as doing that, but Gospel is Word.
Who said God set it up., He certainly did not, according to teh bible all He set up to give us is teh Holy Spirit. Teh problem is men study teh bible, form an opinion, go to church, get another mans opinion, watch videos listen to tapes and form more opinions, than when God tries to teach them, they have already decided what is truth and than reject His truth, because He teaches it differently which is why we get revelation from God and not man nor studying. Again there is a reason why Jesus used the empty vessels prepared for God to fill with water, a vessel already filled with one thing needs to be emptied and cleaned before it can be filled with another, it is also teh reason why,

Luk_10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight

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1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
 

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first off, decided what? are you talking about the posting I responded to, or do you just have a problem with anyone that doesn't acknowledge your views of the catholic church as true?

anything else you need to know, see the bible.
Hi DPM,

GodsGrace posted the question, "Who gets to decide...."!

You responded "not the magisterium of the Catholic Church that's for sure".

YOU decided who doesn't get to decide. Who gave you that authority?

According to you anything I need to know I should "see the Bible". I need to know who has the authority. You or the Catholic Church. Can you quote the passage from scripture that answers that question? I can't find it.

Also, which bible do I consult? Show me in the scripture what books are supposed to be in the Bible.

Mary
 

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Hi GG,

Here is a link to an authoritative source that shows there were many "truths" based on scripture well before the Reformaiton.

List of Christian heresies - Wikipedia

Mary
You misunderstood my post.
I trust the ECF more than anyone.
I know there were truths before the Reformation.

I'm on a tablet and can't go back to my original post.
Will check out the link on computer...
 

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Teh problem is men study teh bible, form an opinion, go to church, get another mans opinion, watch videos listen to tapes and form more opinions, than when God tries to teach them, they have already decided what is truth and than reject His truth, because He teaches it differently which is why we get revelation from God and not man nor studying.
you characterize this as a problem, when it is actually also a solution though
 

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Hi GG,

Here is a link to an authoritative source that shows there were many "truths" based on scripture well before the Reformaiton.

List of Christian heresies - Wikipedia

Mary
I went to the link at wiki.

It states that definitive council for the Trinity was in 381 at Constantinople.
I think this is wrong...
I believe it was decided in 425 at Ephesus that the 325 nicene Creed regarding the Trinity was the correct one.

Could you check?
 

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Again there is a reason why Jesus used the empty vessels prepared for God to fill with water
the only vessels i recall are at the wedding feast parable, and it seems that they did not need to be emptied, not to confuse parables or mix metaphors here, but you would have to quote what passage you mean there i guess
 

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Luk_10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight
i can't help but read into this that Christ is thanking God for the same things you are calling a problem though
 

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You misunderstood my post.
I trust the ECF more than anyone.
I know there were truths before the Reformation.

I'm on a tablet and can't go back to my original post.
Will check out the link on computer...
You are right. I misunderstood your post. I apologize.

No need to go back to your original post.

Love, Mary
 
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I went to the link at wiki.

It states that definitive council for the Trinity was in 381 at Constantinople.
I think this is wrong...
I believe it was decided in 425 at Ephesus that the 325 nicene Creed regarding the Trinity was the correct one.

Could you check?
The wiki link I provided was to show, in general, that there were many "truths" BEFORE the Reformation. All those "truths" were revealed to the person by reading scripture and being guided by the Holy Spirit.

Everyone has the Truth AND everyone is being guided by the Holy Spirit but NO ONE has authority. Just like Jesus wanted o_O

Amazing!! :cool:

Mary
 

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The wiki link I provided was to show, in general, that there were many "truths" BEFORE the Reformation. All those "truths" were revealed to the person by reading scripture and being guided by the Holy Spirit.

Everyone has the Truth AND everyone is being guided by the Holy Spirit but NO ONE has authority. Just like Jesus wanted o_O

Amazing!! :cool:

Mary
I find it sad that we're so split up.
Jesus wanted us to be one.
And the person's who died in Europe because of wars...