God Changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship To Sunday Sabbath

[Jun2u]

But I don't believe the Greek text is saying that at all, and its your rendition of it to prove your point about changing the Sabbath day.

I'm not that intelligent, all I can do is quote and echo the Scriptures.

I’ve read Staple’s article, and on the onset, I would like to say I do not read commentaries for the simple reason commentaries although they may seem holy, and even if there are labels before or after their names, their work at best is still tainted by sin. Unless of course if their work is faithful to the Bible. Commentaries are a help because no one has a perfect understanding of Scriptures.

Staple’s article understood the main purpose of the Seventh Day Sabbath just as I’ve indicated in the OP. I guess every commentary out there agrees with each other’s work on the matter, but it still amazes me how learned individuals can miss the gist of Matthew 28:1. I can only surmise they have been led astray by the word “day” and by the word “week” to which if understood, both words are omitted from the original manuscripts.

If indeed the word “Sabbaths” can be translated / mean as “week” as suggested, then I could argue that Matthew 28 can also be understood / read this way: “At the end of the week, as it began to dawn toward the first of the week...” Does this make sense? It will only make sense if the word is Sabbaths because now we can say which ‘Sabbaths’ is in view as opposed to which ‘week’ is in view, and we know there is only one Sabbath that is spoken of in the Old Testament.

Staples’ analogy of the word “beat” cannot be compared with the word Sabbath. For instance, the word Sabbath cannot mean week! They are entirely different words and meaning. God created every species after its kind, likewise, He created words after its own kind also. The Bible is its own interpreter and dictionary! For example, you see a stray dog and you beckon to it saying, “here Kitty, Kitty. Does this make sense? No you say, that’s ridiculous! So is taking the word “Sabbath” and make it to mean as “week.”

As a reminder, the word “day” in the KJV is italicized meaning the translators are warning the reader it is not in the original manuscripts, and changed the identical word “Sabbath” into the word “week.” As alluded to in the OP why God allowed this error was perhaps to foster unbelief? Like the trinity?

I’ve always liked the King James Bible because the Strong’s and Young’s Literal Concordances were written specifically for the KJV.

I would expect some Christians to gather Wednesday, Some Friday, some Tuesday and yes, some even Sunday. But I do not observe that, so I must then conclude that the day is important, albeit not the seventh day.

Colossians 2:16-17

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or of the new moon, or in respect of a holyday, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Jun2u]

But it's the Greek language. If they sometimes used Sabbaton for "week" depending on the context, Then that opens the possibility that the traditional translations are correct because it's in the realm of possibility that an ancient Greek speaker would say and use the very same phrase to say what is presently translated. To test one's hypothesis, one has to look at the opposing view. If there was no way that an ancient Greek speaker would talk that way, then you'd have a point. But it's in the realm of possibility. Therefore in and of itself is at best inconclusive. Just the Sir Isaac Newton in me. LOL

Is that all you have to back you up is Sir Isaac?

I have a much better, more powerful, and much more ancient than the Greeks to support my (our) hypothesis...the Author Himself Who is called God!!! Can you and Isaac match wits with Him? I don't believe so!

Oh! Didn't you know He wrote the Bible? The Saturday Sabbath that you hold so dear is but a shadow only? Yes, He said so. Do you want to argue with Him? You're more than welcome. As for me, I would rather trust God than men!!!

To God Be The Glory

 

[mjrhealth]

Oh! Didn't you know He wrote the Bible?

I dont think God knows He wrote the bibles, people keep blaming Him for It...

 

[Jun2u]

I dont think God knows He wrote the bibles, people keep blaming Him for It...

There's only one Bible but many translations of it.

Knowing how you think, I wouldn't even want to ask this question: "who do you think wrote the Bible?"

 

[liafailrock]

Is that all you have to back you up is Sir Isaac?

I have a much better, more powerful, and much more ancient than the Greeks to support my (our) hypothesis...the Author Himself Who is called God!!! Can you and Isaac match wits with Him? I don't believe so!

Oh! Didn't you know He wrote the Bible? The Saturday Sabbath that you hold so dear is but a shadow only? Yes, He said so. Do you want to argue with Him? You're more than welcome. As for me, I would rather trust God than men!!!

To God Be The Glory

Did you read the article carefully? Let me quote your earlier post:

The word Sabbath in the Greek is the plural word “sabaton” and note the word “week” is also the identical plural Greek word “sabaton.” The word “week” is singular and contrary to the plural Greek word :sabaton.” These is proven by checking the Greek. One does not have to be a Greek scholar to see the mistake in translation.

I highlighted your own words to point out I suspect that you are not a Greek scholar to justify your interpretation of the bible. But yes, one does have to be a Greek scholar. I am not one, but the article I supplied is from one who is and he stated:

This question highlights exactly how Strong’s Concordance—a wonderful tool, really—can sometimes give just enough information to be dangerous for a person who doesn’t know the biblical languages.

I think the gentleman discribed your attitude perfectly.

And no.... it's not because Sir Isaac Newton said it, which only shows you totally missed my whole point. My point is I'm analytical like him, and to test a doctrine. This is different than getting an idea into one's head and then twist scripture to support it, and then have the audacity to say it's God's word.

 

[mjrhealth]

"who do you think wrote the Bible?"

People with pens in there hands.

 

[Jun2u]

Did you read the article carefully? Let me quote your earlier post:



I highlighted your own words to point out I suspect that you are not a Greek scholar to justify your interpretation of the bible. But yes, one does have to be a Greek scholar. I am not one, but the article I supplied is from one who is and he stated:

¨This question highlights exactly how Strong’s Concordance—a wonderful tool, really—can sometimes give just enough information to be dangerous for a person who doesn’t know the biblical languages.¨


I think the gentleman discribed your attitude perfectly.

And no.... it's not because Sir Isaac Newton said it, which only shows you totally missed my whole point. My point is I'm analytical like him, and to test a doctrine. This is different than getting an idea into one's head and then twist scripture to support it, and then have the audacity to say it's God's word.

I don't have to justify my interpretations. The Bible speaks for me. I only need prove that what I say harmonizes with the rest of Scripture and I did that. I did indicate I was not a Bible scholar. But that does not mean I don´t understand that it is against the rule of grammar for anyone to change a plural word into a singular word.

¨This question highlights exactly how Strong’s Concordance—a wonderful tool, really—can sometimes give just enough information to be dangerous for a person who doesn’t know the biblical languages.¨

The above statement is extremely false! Staples concurred that Strong´s Concordance is a wonderful tool yet, he says it is sometimes dangerous to a person who does not know the languages of the Bible. I wonder if he was speaking about himself. Staples is not one you make him out to be as a Greek scholar. Strong's Concordance has NEVER changed the plural word ¨Sabbaths¨ into the singular word ¨week.¨ He knew the word week is the identical plural Greek word "Sabbaton (Sabbaths).¨

I understood you perfectly when you indicated you have an analytical mind like Newton (don´t boast on the wisdom of men) and as the greatest theologian. You must not have read about Jesus and Paul, and the reason I said I have a better and more powerful source than you is because I have the mind of Christ. I don´t need Newton!

Where did I have the audacity to twist scripture, is this your ploy to react when your back is against the wall? What I did say however, which agrees with Scripture was, ¨at the end of the Sabbaths as it began to dawn toward the first of the Sabbaths,¨ I didn't change or twist any words here. it was the translators of KJV that changed the word ¨Sabbaths¨ into the singular word ¨week,¨ and Staples concurred. Well, who gave them the authority to change it? The Bible is Gods word, only He can change the meaning of a word. The Bible is its own interpreter and its own dictionary! This is the nature of sinful men is to pin the blame deliberately back to God.

I have discussed many topics in these forums with the gentleman you support. He believes only in God and NEVER the Bible, yet when he wants to prove a point he runs to the Bible. Go figure. In our country its called hy _ _ _ _ _ _te. Just look at his answer in post #66. Is this the person you want to support?

You´re batting zero here, Newton. First Sir Newton, then Staples, and now mjr.

To God Be The Glory

 

[liafailrock]

Just for clarification, my back is not up against the wall. That's for people that run out of arguments. I had plenty. Nevertheless, I think the truth speaks for itself without me, without you and anyone else. But believe what you will. God does the judging. At least like I said you believe in the sanctity of the day, as I do too, which is one plus. Each of us has to answer to the Lord, and we'll let it at that.

 

[Richard_oti]

Quoted:
"This question highlights exactly how Strong’s Concordance—a wonderful tool, really—can sometimes give just enough information to be dangerous for a person who doesn’t know the biblical languages."

The above statement is extremely false! Staples concurred that Strong´s Concordance is a wonderful tool yet, he says it is sometimes dangerous to a person who does not know the languages of the Bible.

I can confirm that which @liafailrock quoted is correct. I have seen and witnessed it far too many times. I have even seen someone use it to render evil as good and good as evil.

Strong's Concordance has NEVER changed the plural word ¨Sabbaths¨ into the singular word ¨week.¨ He knew the word week is the identical plural Greek word "Sabbaton (Sabbaths).¨

Would you care to quote Strong's?

According to "Strong's", from where does the word sabbaton originate?

In Matthew 12:1, is it singular or plural?
Matthew 12:2, singular or plural?
Matthew 12:5, singular or plural?
Matthew 12:8, singular or plural?
Matthew 12:10, singular or plural?
Matthew 12:11, singular or plural?
Matthew 12:12, singular or plural?

Would you care to explain the singularity / plurality of each the above?

I have a better and more powerful source than you is because I have the mind of Christ.

No offense, but every cult leader that I have ever encountered, and there have been a multitude of them, has in essence made the same claim.

Where did I have the audacity to twist scripture, is this your ploy to react when your back is against the wall?

Oy vey.

What I did say however, which agrees with Scripture was, ¨at the end of the Sabbaths as it began to dawn toward the first of the Sabbaths,¨ I didn't change or twist any words here. it was the translators of KJV that changed the word ¨Sabbaths¨ into the singular word ¨week,¨ and Staples concurred. Well, who gave them the authority to change it? The Bible is Gods word, only He can change the meaning of a word. The Bible is its own interpreter and its own dictionary! This is the nature of sinful men is to pin the blame deliberately back to God.

Would you care to explain the phrase: mian sabbaton?

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[mjrhealth]

Is this still going on, really....

 

[liafailrock]

For the record, folks, while I said that our OP friend twisted scripture based on linguistic interpretation, I meant it in a way that I believed he does so ignorantly (albeit sincerely) and boldly proclaims that. That's the definition of "audacity". I do think he needs to look at all sides before making such a bold proclamation in my opinion. That said, I have no ill will myself. In fact, if only more had such zeal for obeying God! I give him that much credit despite my disagreement. And as my previous post stated, let God do the judging. I do consider this person a brother in Christ and I look forward to the time when the Lord will answer us both where we were both right and where we both went wrong. Blessings to him, and all.

 

[Jun2u]

For the record, folks, while I said that our OP friend twisted scripture based on linguistic interpretation, I meant it in a way that I believed he does so ignorantly (albeit sincerely) and boldly proclaims that. That's the definition of "audacity". I do think he needs to look at all sides before making such a bold proclamation in my opinion. That said, I have no ill will myself. In fact, if only more had such zeal for obeying God! I give him that much credit despite my disagreement. And as my previous post stated, let God do the judging. I do consider this person a brother in Christ and I look forward to the time when the Lord will answer us both where we were both right and where we both went wrong. Blessings to him, and all.

The word “audacity” has always been used as “rude” or “disrespectful” as well in this case. You meant it as such because you believed I have twisted scripture ignorantly, because I am an unlearned individual. I may be lacking in education but I have far greater knowledge in the things of God than most in these forums. I’ve noticed most who posts in these forums are here only to show they have a good command of the English language without regards to having knowledge of Scriptures. I’m not here to compete as I know I’m unlearned. I’m here at my Lord’s bidding to proclaim His true Gospel.

Now you appealed to the folks that you have no ill will towards me. That’s all well and good, thank you, and the feeling is mutual. But what is the benefit of good/nice words if the Gospel is not preached which is far better?

You said I should have looked in all sides before making such a bold proclamation. Don’t you think I did that? Would a person fire a gun without any bullets, so to speak? All you did was take someone else’s commentary as if he is truly a Greek scholar as you’ve said which, in my opinion is not . Anytime we draw a conclusion on a matter we ought to search Scripture to see if there are more God has to say further regarding that subject matter, and only then can we be assured we have found truth.

Look, let’s just start all over again. Yourself have admitted that you knew that the word “week” was actually the plural Greek word “Sabbaton” (Sabbaths). The OP suggested the KJV translators did NOT understand Matthew 28:1 so they inserted the words “day” and “week” which were not written in the original manuscripts, so as to enhance the meaning of the passage, so they thought. They had no authority to do such a thing, and they did not take into account the spiritual aspect.

That is, why was the punishment so severe that just by picking up sticks resulted in the stoning to death of an individual? Staples understood and saw, why can’t others see? Well, God opens the spiritual eyes of some and others He doesn’t. That’s God’s business. Although Staples saw the spiritual side, his example of exegeses on the word “week” is something else to behold.

Back to Matt.28:1, we can now read the passage this way: “At the end of the Sabbaths, as it began to dawn toward the first of the Sabbaths” Meaning – there is an era of Sabbaths coming to an end, which the Seventh Day Sabbaths was in view; as a new era of Sabbaths is coming into view, which is the Sunday Sabbaths, and can be proven by the language of Isaiah 58 which has been explained in the OP.

In other words, the era of the Old Testament Sabbaths was coming to an end, which was only a sign, and a new era of Sabbaths (rest, the reality) is beginning to dawn towards the first of many Sabbaths to come.

Is Matthew 28:1 really that difficult to understand in it’s context?

Why was the punishment so severe and what is the spiritual essence? Hint: “WORKS.”

To God Be The Glory

 

[Ally.s.j]

Some Christians go to ball games, picnics, movies, or play sports on Sundays after worship, and these activities are against Isaiah 58:13-14.

I cant believe you think we are still under the Jewish law. with Isaiah and tithing?

The sabbath in 24/7 and our rest is in Him. where do we get told to visit hospitals.
Think you mean lay hands on the sick?

 

[Ally.s.j]

You said I should have looked in all sides before making such a bold proclamation. Don’t you think I did that? Would a person fire a gun without any bullets, so to speak?

many denonminations have fired bullits lacking knowledge. we have way to many denominations who all think they are right and firing bullits longer than any of us. I see you pointing out other peoples flaws, like you have none. There are enough debating here, with out me. I see many flaws in your OP and many since in what I read so far. Your talking about how you know scriptures. Thats great. But I want to know Him, not about Him. I want to talk to Him not about Him. Knowleage puffith up a man. I would rather hear about what Hes doing with you now.

 

[Jun2u]

I cant believe you think we are still under the Jewish law. with Isaiah and tithing?

The sabbath in 24/7 and our rest is in Him. where do we get told to visit hospitals.
Think you mean lay hands on the sick?

Isaiah 58 must be read in it's context. It is Not speaking of the Seventh Day Sabbath!
Tithing and breaking of bread began with the Apostles and the church on the first day of the week and have never been abrogated. Read the OP.

Except for the Ten Commandments all ceremonial laws including the Leviticus laws have been completed in Christ.

The Sunday Sabbath is different from the Seventh Day Sabbath. Where as the Seventh Day Sabbath was to do no work, the Sunday Sabbath by contrast is to do spiritual work. No it is not spelled out in Scripture. It is likened to visiting loved ones, or friends, or acquaintances, in hospitals and in prisons, speaking to them about the Gospel.and two or the

The laying on of hands which was a miracle stopped with the Apostles and two or three disciples.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Richard_oti]

Tithing and breaking of bread began with the Apostles and the church on the first day of the week and have never been abrogated. Read the OP.

The "tithe" belongs to the priesthood, the collection Paul spoke of, is a freewill offering. It is not the "tithe".

Except for the Ten Commandments all ceremonial laws including the Leviticus laws have been completed in Christ.

Except shabat, the one no longer applies according to that which you put forth. So IRL, you mean "except for the" nine "commandments".

BTW: The "tithe", is also within Leviticus, as well as Numbers and Deuteronomy.

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[Ally.s.j]

Isaiah 58 must be read in it's context. It is Not speaking of the Seventh Day Sabbath!
Tithing and breaking of bread began with the Apostles and the church on the first day of the week and have never been abrogated. Read the OP.

Except for the Ten Commandments all ceremonial laws including the Leviticus laws have been completed in Christ.

The Sunday Sabbath is different from the Seventh Day Sabbath. Where as the Seventh Day Sabbath was to do no work, the Sunday Sabbath by contrast is to do spiritual work. No it is not spelled out in Scripture. It is likened to visiting loved ones, or friends, or acquaintances, in hospitals and in prisons, speaking to them about the Gospel.and two or the

The laying on of hands which was a miracle stopped with the Apostles and two or three disciples.

To God Be The Glory

Tithing did not start in the NC Ok So I saw three people healed this week when I layed hands on them. How do you see that now?

Scripture does not tell you to go to hospitals for a little visit.

 

[Helen]

Topic..."God Changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship To Sunday Sabbath"

GOD did nothing of the sort.
He designated no day...all days are alike to Him.
Since Jesus came every day IS the Sabbath...Jesus Christ IS our Sabbath rest.
Man chose a day..they would rather have one day that they can call God's-day, then live all seven in His presence...they choose to 'give' one hour in one day , so they can have all the hours in the week.

Man's choice, not Gods.

 

[Jun2u]

Although some of us live in different parts of the world, still, we have the freedom to choose which God we want to worship, where as, there are people who does not have that kind of luxury.

For those of you who were kind enough to respond to the OP, I thank you with all of my heart.

To God Be The Glory

 

[tabletalk]

The word “audacity” has always been used as “rude” or “disrespectful” as well in this case. You meant it as such because you believed I have twisted scripture ignorantly, because I am an unlearned individual. I may be lacking in education but I have far greater knowledge in the things of God than most in these forums. I’ve noticed most who posts in these forums are here only to show they have a good command of the English language without regards to having knowledge of Scriptures. I’m not here to compete as I know I’m unlearned. I’m here at my Lord’s bidding to proclaim His true Gospel.

Now you appealed to the folks that you have no ill will towards me. That’s all well and good, thank you, and the feeling is mutual. But what is the benefit of good/nice words if the Gospel is not preached which is far better?

You said I should have looked in all sides before making such a bold proclamation. Don’t you think I did that? Would a person fire a gun without any bullets, so to speak? All you did was take someone else’s commentary as if he is truly a Greek scholar as you’ve said which, in my opinion is not . Anytime we draw a conclusion on a matter we ought to search Scripture to see if there are more God has to say further regarding that subject matter, and only then can we be assured we have found truth.

Look, let’s just start all over again. Yourself have admitted that you knew that the word “week” was actually the plural Greek word “Sabbaton” (Sabbaths). The OP suggested the KJV translators did NOT understand Matthew 28:1 so they inserted the words “day” and “week” which were not written in the original manuscripts, so as to enhance the meaning of the passage, so they thought. They had no authority to do such a thing, and they did not take into account the spiritual aspect.

That is, why was the punishment so severe that just by picking up sticks resulted in the stoning to death of an individual? Staples understood and saw, why can’t others see? Well, God opens the spiritual eyes of some and others He doesn’t. That’s God’s business. Although Staples saw the spiritual side, his example of exegeses on the word “week” is something else to behold.

Back to Matt.28:1, we can now read the passage this way: “At the end of the Sabbaths, as it began to dawn toward the first of the Sabbaths” Meaning – there is an era of Sabbaths coming to an end, which the Seventh Day Sabbaths was in view; as a new era of Sabbaths is coming into view, which is the Sunday Sabbaths, and can be proven by the language of Isaiah 58 which has been explained in the OP.

In other words, the era of the Old Testament Sabbaths was coming to an end, which was only a sign, and a new era of Sabbaths (rest, the reality) is beginning to dawn towards the first of many Sabbaths to come.

Is Matthew 28:1 really that difficult to understand in it’s context?

Why was the punishment so severe and what is the spiritual essence? Hint: “WORKS.”

To God Be The Glory

You said: "I may be lacking in education but I have far greater knowledge in the things of God than most in these forums."