Baptism

[bbyrd009]

The Bronze Serpent on the pole that Moses created to cure the people was a prefigurement of Christ(Num. 21:8-9, John 3:14-15).
Was HE made of bronze??

i'm not getting the subject change, sorry

 

[BreadOfLife]

Gold represents the nature of God.
Silver represents redemption..
Bronze represents Judgement...which Jesus became for us...sin being judged on the cross and our freedom purchased. Etc

Yes - but I was responding to bbyrd's argument that Mary could not be the fulfillment of the Ark because it was made out of wood - and she was not.

 

[BreadOfLife]

i'm not getting the subject change, sorry

What - did you forget what you posted??
This is what YOU said:
"the original ark was made out of wood, BoL, and it's not that difficult to deduce that Mary is not"

I showed you that the Bronze Serpent was a prefigurement of Christ - even though HE was not made of bronze.
Is it that difficult to understand??

 

[BreadOfLife]

What does it say, or is it so hard to understand english,

Apparently, you don't understand OT TYPES and NT FULFILLMENTS.
Study a little more - you'll get there . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You have offered nothing, and as I said it adds what??? Others have proven that He did have siblings, but than that goes againt your religious beliefs and doctrines and cant be accepted. As I said, it adds to what... Pride is an awful thing.

Yup - others have said that but I proven that they are wrong - from Scripture.

Now - CAN you address the Scriptural evidence I have presented - or will you simply respond with more impotent insults in a vain effort to mask your Scriptural ignorance?

 

[mjrhealth]

Apparently, you don't understand OT TYPES and NT FULFILLMENTS.
Study a little more - you'll get there . . .

YEs arguementive, lets just see,

1Sa_1:5 But unto Hannah he gave a worthy portion; for he loved Hannah: but the LORD had shut up her womb.
1Sa_1:6 And her adversary also provoked her sore, for to make her fret, because the LORD had shut up her womb.

now if teh Lord had done so, seems He would of said so,

Yup - others have said that but I proven that they are wrong - from Scripture.

Now - CAN you address the Scriptural evidence I have presented - or will you simply respond with more impotent insults in a vain effort to mask your Scriptural ignorance?

You have proven no one wrong all you have done is offer another argument, but what has that got to do with ones salvation, absolutely nothing, but it is teh catholic doctrines you need to justify,

God forbid the day you actually glorify Jesus and God... Seems Mary is more important...

 

[bbyrd009]

What - did you forget what you posted??
This is what YOU said:
"the original ark was made out of wood, BoL, and it's not that difficult to deduce that Mary is not"

I showed you that the Bronze Serpent was a prefigurement of Christ - even though HE was not made of bronze.
Is it that difficult to understand??

in light of the fact that Nehushtan worship is meant to be "broken up," i'm afraid so, yes.
You can even be characterized as helping me to make the point, see

 

[BreadOfLife]

in light of the fact that Nehushtan worship is meant to be "broken up," i'm afraid so, yes.
You can even be characterized as helping me to make the point, see

Another completely irrelevant response.
Stick to the conversation - or get out of the way . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

YEs arguementive, lets just see,

1Sa_1:5 But unto Hannah he gave a worthy portion; for he loved Hannah: but the LORD had shut up her womb.
1Sa_1:6 And her adversary also provoked her sore, for to make her fret, because the LORD had shut up her womb.

now if teh Lord had done so, seems He would of said so,

You have proven no one wrong all you have done is offer another argument, but what has that got to do with ones salvation, absolutely nothing, but it is teh catholic doctrines you need to justify,

God forbid the day you actually glorify Jesus and God... Seems Mary is more important...

You have utterly failed to address the Scriptural evidence I have presented but you continue to respond as if I had presented nothing.
This is tantamount to the proverbial spoiled child who shuts his eyes and plugs his ears instead of learning his lesson . . .

 

[bbyrd009]

You have utterly failed to address the Scriptural evidence I have presented but you continue to respond as if I had presented nothing.

imagine how i feel lol. can't help but think i speak for others too bro, no offense

 

[mjrhealth]

but you continue to respond as if I had presented nothing.

oh you noticed that you have provided no evidence.. cool.

 

[mjrhealth]

Joh 7:3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.
Joh 7:4 For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world.
Joh 7:5 For neither did his brethren believe in him.

Now if they where bothers by belief, they woudl of believed Him but they did not, so there fore they are His brothers by birth.

To save you looking

G80
ἀδελφός
adelphos
ad-el-fos'
From G1 (as a connective particle) and δελφύς delphus (the womb); a brother (literally or figuratively) near or remote (much like [H1]): - brother.

 

[BreadOfLife]

oh you noticed that you have provided no evidence.. cool.

I've done nothing BUT provide Scriptural evidence for my position.
NONE of you have countered with any relevant verses.

Just evasiveness . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Joh 7:3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.
Joh 7:4 For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world.
Joh 7:5 For neither did his brethren believe in him.

Now if they where bothers by belief, they woudl of believed Him but they did not, so there fore they are His brothers by birth.

To save you looking

G80
ἀδελφός
adelphos
ad-el-fos'
From G1 (as a connective particle) and δελφύς delphus (the womb); a brother (literally or figuratively) near or remote (much like [H1]): - brother.

As I schooled you before . . .

In Scripture - "Adelphos(oi)" is applied to cousins, uncles, nephews and kinsmen alike. The Aramaic word, “ach”, encompasses the meanings for brother of same parents, half-brother (same father), relative, kinship, same tribe, and even a fellow countryman.

Furthermore, there was no term for the word “cousin” in the Aramaic language that Jesus spoke. When the Old Testament was translated into Greek in the centuries before the birth of Christ (the Septuagint), the words “adelphos” and “adelphoi” were used in places where “ach” was. This is why we have many examples in the Septuagint of the following:

In Gen. 14:14, Lot is called Abraham’s "brother", even though he was Abraham’s nephew (Gen. 11:26–28).

In Gen. 29:15, Jacob is referred to as the "brother" of his uncle Laban.

Brothers Kish and Eleazar were the sons of Mahli. Kish had sons of his own, but Eleazar’s daughters married their "brethren”, the sons of Kish - who were actually their cousins (1 Chr. 23:21–22).

In the New Testament - the word "Adelphos" and all of its variations is used 344 times.
41 times (12%), it is clearly used to describe uterine siblings.
47 times (14%), it may or may not be referring to uterine siblings.
A whopping 256 times (74%) it cannot or certainly does not refer to uterine siblings.

I eagerly await your response . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

As I schooled you before .

You teach nothing, you cannot improve on God.

Have a lovely day

 

[BreadOfLife]

You teach nothing, you cannot improve on God.

Have a lovely day

I was just schooling you on the linguistic facts about the word "Adelphos" because you don't seem to have a clue about it.
Nobody's trying to improve on God . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

I was just schooling you on the linguistic facts about the word "Adelphos" because you don't seem to have a clue about it.
Nobody's trying to improve on God . . .

Nah not schooling me on anything, all you have is religion, and you can keep it. Still you have proved nothing, is seems that the writers deemed it not important enough to make it clear one way or teh other, leaving it up to teh "learned" to argue over nothing. As far as we know, she could of had 6 children from 3 different husbands after Joseph died, since he was much older than her, and it would of changed nothing, just upset teh religious and there idol worshiping,

glad im not smart, much better place to be

Mat_11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Much prefer it His way.

 

[twinc]

Nah not schooling me on anything, all you have is religion, and you can keep it. Still you have proved nothing, is seems that the writers deemed it not important enough to make it clear one way or teh other, leaving it up to teh "learned" to argue over nothing. As far as we know, she could of had 6 children from 3 different husbands after Joseph died, since he was much older than her, and it would of changed nothing, just upset teh religious and there idol worshiping,

glad im not smart, much better place to be

Mat_11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Much prefer it His way.

you only say so but do not accept what you say for BOL stated you were a babe but you have refused to accept that imho - twinc

 

[mjrhealth]

you only say so but do not accept what you say for BOL stated you were a babe but you have refused to accept that imho - twinc

Babe, not a babe, do you think all that learning accounts for much in Gods kingdom, its what makes men proud and keep them from God, but I dont expect much from religious people, all the same.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Nah not schooling me on anything, all you have is religion, and you can keep it. Still you have proved nothing, is seems that the writers deemed it not important enough to make it clear one way or teh other, leaving it up to teh "learned" to argue over nothing. As far as we know, she could of had 6 children from 3 different husbands after Joseph died, since he was much older than her, and it would of changed nothing, just upset teh religious and there idol worshiping,

glad im not smart, much better place to be

Mat_11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Much prefer it His way.

Really??

Where do you get the idea that Joseph was "much older" than Mary?? Certainly NOT from Scripture.
This comes from the Protoevangelium of James, which also states that Mary was a perpetual virgin and NEVER had any relations with Joseph.

Soooo - why is it that you believe that Joseph was "much older" than Mary based on this document - yet you reject her Perpetual Virginity - ALSO based on this document??

I can't wait to read your response . . .