Paul And The Final Gospel

[soul man]

Paul and the final gospel


Some believers get upset when I speak of the final Gospel. In fact many, upon a casual look, are sure the term final Gospel has something to do with prophecy and John's end time revelation. This is far from the truth. The final gospel is concerned very little or none at all with prophecy. Almost all Bible prophecy is primarily concerned with Israel. John's revelation deals with the things that are predicted in the Old Testament and are spoken by Jesus of Nazareth, and simply fulfilled and completed in the book of Revelation.

There is no new gospel to be found there. The final Gospel has one important purpose, and that is to tell the message and story of what happens to the people who are saved by the death of Christ on the cross. This is a new group of people, with a new purpose and a new message centered in God's eternal plan. Well most of the Bible deals with people who serve God under the law, the final gospel deals with people saved by grace. This is a new group of people who have been treated differently from any people God had ever dealt with.

They are a people God had in his mind before he created the world. They are special for several reasons.

1) these people, as God's own offspring, we're destined to become the people who would fill the Father's house. His house was greatly depleted by the ouster of Lucifer and the many angels that went with him when God had to put them out because of his disobedience.

2) from that time onward, God saw that the only one who pleased him was his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, and if God was to have a family in His house they would all have to have the Christ-life. It was this idea that the whole plan of God would hinge upon, Ephesians 1:4

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

 

[Windmill Charge]

Paul and the final gospel


Some believers get upset when I speak of the final Gospel. In fact many, upon a casual look, are sure the term final Gospel has something to do with prophecy and John's end time revelation. This is far from the truth. The final gospel is concerned very little or none at all with prophecy. Almost all Bible prophecy is primarily concerned with Israel. John's revelation deals with the things that are predicted in the Old Testament and are spoken by Jesus of Nazareth, and simply fulfilled and completed in the book of Revelation.

There is no new gospel to be found there. The final Gospel has one important purpose, and that is to tell the message and story of what happens to the people who are saved by the death of Christ on the cross. This is a new group of people, with a new purpose and a new message centered in God's eternal plan. Well most of the Bible deals with people who serve God under the law, the final gospel deals with people saved by grace. This is a new group of people who have been treated differently from any people God had ever dealt with.

They are a people God had in his mind before he created the world. They are special for several reasons.

1) these people, as God's own offspring, we're destined to become the people who would fill the Father's house. His house was greatly depleted by the ouster of Lucifer and the many angels that went with him when God had to put them out because of his disobedience.

2) from that time onward, God saw that the only one who pleased him was his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, and if God was to have a family in His house they would all have to have the Christ-life. It was this idea that the whole plan of God would hinge upon, Ephesians 1:4

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

If I understand you correctly you are not talking about a final gospel but about the gospel.


There is only one gospel and to talk about a'final' gospel will cause concern as people will think you are departing from the only gospel that there is.

The good news that Jesus came to save sinners.

 

[Helen]

If I understand you correctly you are not talking about a final gospel but about the gospel.


There is only one gospel and to talk about a'final' gospel will cause concern as people will think you are departing from the only gospel that there is.

The good news that Jesus came to save sinners.

Maybe he means the final revelation of The Gospel?
We all know that The Gospel means good news but some of us know that all that is preached is not always good news...it as @Frank Lee says it.." Jesus plus".
I think it was quite a few decades before the fulness of what Paul teaches on grace ( with accountability) was fully revealed. What seemed clear to Paul..has not been so clear over the centuries , but in fact pretty muddy I would say.

In our own lives revelation of deeper truth comes slowly as we digest it and make it a part of our life, the God will reveal more.
Revelation upon revelation...we don't get ( or understand) everything the first moment we become a believer!

But.. I am sure @soul man will put us straight on what he means. :)

 

[Jay Ross]

It seems to me that @soul man is attempting a new approach to his previous "A New Creation Race" and "New creation Race 2" threads.

Jesus did not bring a "New Covenant" message during His First Advent. He did however, come to revamp/refresh the original Salvation Covenant Message that has been in existence since the time of Adam and Eve.

This is confirmed when Jesus made the following statement in" -

Matthew 13:52: - Then He said to them, "Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old."

Sadly the English translation of "things new and old" does not convey the intent of the original Greek text "καινὰ καὶ παλαιά."

As previously explained in another thread on this verse these three Greek Words are better understood if they are translated thus": - "{things} made like new again/refreshed and {yet} old/from the time of the creation of Adam and Eve."

As such Paul did not bring the Final Gospel as soul man is attempting to present. Paul understood that Jesus came to present the Salvation Gospel and that Christ refreshed the process by His sacrifice on the Cross, the means by which mankind can obtain their individual salvation to gain everlasting life at the appointed time of the final judgement of mankind.

The terms of this salvation has not changed from the beginning of time for mankind,

Matthew 22:37-40: - 37 Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Christ did not change the Salvation Covenant that God has with all of mankind if they choose to abide within its terms. However, Christ did change/modify the process by which this Salvation Covenant is now achieved since his First Advent.

Shalom

 

[twinc]

If I understand you correctly you are not talking about a final gospel but about the gospel.


There is only one gospel and to talk about a'final' gospel will cause concern as people will think you are departing from the only gospel that there is.

The good news that Jesus came to save sinners.

getting close - the good news is that Jesus came to save His children that became sinners - this is the original good news that has been mangled and messed up imho - twinc

 

[twinc]

It seems to me that @soul man is attempting a new approach to his previous "A New Creation Race" and "New creation Race 2" threads.

Jesus did not bring a "New Covenant" message during His First Advent. He did however, come to revamp/refresh the original Salvation Covenant Message that has been in existence since the time of Adam and Eve.

This is confirmed when Jesus made the following statement in" -

Matthew 13:52: - Then He said to them, "Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old."

Sadly the English translation of "things new and old" does not convey the intent of the original Greek text "καινὰ καὶ παλαιά."

As previously explained in another thread on this verse these three Greek Words are better understood if they are translated thus": - "{things} made like new again/refreshed and {yet} old/from the time of the creation of Adam and Eve."

As such Paul did not bring the Final Gospel as soul man is attempting to present. Paul understood that Jesus came to present the Salvation Gospel and that Christ refreshed the process by His sacrifice on the Cross, the means by which mankind can obtain their individual salvation to gain everlasting life at the appointed time of the final judgement of mankind.

The terms of this salvation has not changed from the beginning of time for mankind,

Matthew 22:37-40: - 37 Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Christ did not change the Salvation Covenant that God has with all of mankind if they choose to abide within its terms. However, Christ did change/modify the process by which this Salvation Covenant is now achieved since his First Advent.

Shalom

It seems to me that @soul man is attempting a new approach to his previous "A New Creation Race" and "New creation Race 2" threads.

Jesus did not bring a "New Covenant" message during His First Advent. He did however, come to revamp/refresh the original Salvation Covenant Message that has been in existence since the time of Adam and Eve.

This is confirmed when Jesus made the following statement in" -

Matthew 13:52: - Then He said to them, "Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old."

Sadly the English translation of "things new and old" does not convey the intent of the original Greek text "καινὰ καὶ παλαιά."

As previously explained in another thread on this verse these three Greek Words are better understood if they are translated thus": - "{things} made like new again/refreshed and {yet} old/from the time of the creation of Adam and Eve."

As such Paul did not bring the Final Gospel as soul man is attempting to present. Paul understood that Jesus came to present the Salvation Gospel and that Christ refreshed the process by His sacrifice on the Cross, the means by which mankind can obtain their individual salvation to gain everlasting life at the appointed time of the final judgement of mankind.

The terms of this salvation has not changed from the beginning of time for mankind,

Matthew 22:37-40: - 37 Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Christ did not change the Salvation Covenant that God has with all of mankind if they choose to abide within its terms. However, Christ did change/modify the process by which this Salvation Covenant is now achieved since his First Advent.

Shalom

it is good that we have returned to the beginning to try to fathom what it is really all about that we seem not to have fully or properly grasped - so lets repent and return and try and grasp that there is nothing new under the sun and that which is has already been and that which has already been is etc - more later

 

[Frank Lee]

One of my favorite and most enlightening scriptures is in 1 John

1 John 2:27 KJVS
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Our spirit man knows a lie when it hears one. It is grieved and hurts when a lie or misrepresentation of the gospel is spoken. I can recall messages by speakers that grieved my spirit terribly. Usually by some form of Jesus plus being demanded by an ignorant man. Man is always wanting to lend God a hand. Uzzah tried to help the Ark of the covenant from falling by lending his strength. This friends is a wonderful picture, type of "Jesus plus". Let me add my strength to the sacrifice of Jesus by doing this work or that work.

The story of Uzzah and the Ark of the Covenant is found in 2 Samuel 6:1-7 and 1 Chronicles 13:9-12. As the ark was being transported, the oxen pulling the cart stumbled, and a Levite named Uzzah took hold of the ark. God’s anger burned against Uzzah and He struck him down and he died.

This is the way of men. Adding circumcision, adding keeping the sabbath, adding some works in addition to the blood and cross of Jesus.

 

[Helen]

Amen!! :)

 

[soul man]

It seems to me that @soul man is attempting a new approach to his previous "A New Creation Race" and "New creation Race 2" threads.

Jesus did not bring a "New Covenant" message during His First Advent. He did however, come to revamp/refresh the original Salvation Covenant Message that has been in existence since the time of Adam and Eve.

This is confirmed when Jesus made the following statement in" -

Matthew 13:52: - Then He said to them, "Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old."

Sadly the English translation of "things new and old" does not convey the intent of the original Greek text "καινὰ καὶ παλαιά."

As previously explained in another thread on this verse these three Greek Words are better understood if they are translated thus": - "{things} made like new again/refreshed and {yet} old/from the time of the creation of Adam and Eve."

As such Paul did not bring the Final Gospel as soul man is attempting to present. Paul understood that Jesus came to present the Salvation Gospel and that Christ refreshed the process by His sacrifice on the Cross, the means by which mankind can obtain their individual salvation to gain everlasting life at the appointed time of the final judgement of mankind.

The terms of this salvation has not changed from the beginning of time for mankind,

Matthew 22:37-40: - 37 Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Christ did not change the Salvation Covenant that God has with all of mankind if they choose to abide within its terms. However, Christ did change/modify the process by which this Salvation Covenant is now achieved since his First Advent.

Shalom

All due respect, couldn't disagree anymore.

 

[Jay Ross]

All due respect, couldn't disagree anymore.

What are you trying to say with your above statement?