Jesus condemned the religious leaders

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When you read Mathew 23: 1-35 we see what Jesus said of the religious Pharisees of the time. Fast forward to today and we can see that what Jesus said is true in religions today. Most certainly it can be seen in the RCC.


Matt 23:1-16
Woe to the Scribes and Pharisees (Mark 12:38-40; Luke 20:45-47)
1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples,
2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.
4 For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments.
6 They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues,
7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, 'Rabbi, Rabbi.'
8 But you, do not be called 'Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren.
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.
11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.
13 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.
14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.
15 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
16 "Woe to you, blind guides, who say,'Whoever swears by the temple, it is nothing
17 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that sanctifies the gold?
18 And, 'Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, he is obliged to perform it.'
19 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift?
20 Therefore he who swears by the altar, swears by it and by all things on it.
21 He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells in it.
22 And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it.
23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.
24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
25 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence.
26 Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness.
28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
29 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous,
30 and say, 'If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.'
31 "Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.
32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt.
33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?
34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city,
35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
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Durring the meddle ages periodically the Jews would be rounded up and herded into church, where they had to listen to a ditribe against Judaism. This was an attempt to convert them by insulting them.
You can experience similar tactics on atheist forums.

Needlesss to say as a means of gaining converts it is 100% unsucessfull.

So why do you do it?
 

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When you read Mathew 23: 1-35 we see what Jesus said of the religious Pharisees of the time. Fast forward to today and we can see that what Jesus said is true in religions today. Most certainly it can be seen in the RCC.

Matt 23:1-16
Woe to the Scribes and Pharisees (Mark 12:38-40; Luke 20:45-47)
1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples,
2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.
4 For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments.
6 They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues,
7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, 'Rabbi, Rabbi.'
8 But you, do not be called 'Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren.
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.
11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.
13 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.
14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.
15 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
16 "Woe to you, blind guides, who say,'Whoever swears by the temple, it is nothing
17 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that sanctifies the gold?
18 And, 'Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, he is obliged to perform it.'
19 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift?
20 Therefore he who swears by the altar, swears by it and by all things on it.
21 He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells in it.
22 And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it.
23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.
24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
25 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence.
26 Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness.
28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
29 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous,
30 and say, 'If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.'
31 "Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.
32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt.
33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?
34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city,
35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
NKJV
Do you understand what Jesus was condemning here - are do you simply have an ax to grid against the Catholic Church?
The reason I ask is because of your complete obliviousness to the fact that there are MANY Churches with hierarchy in this world.

What exactly is it about the Catholic Church that caused to you ignore this fact?
 

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Durring the meddle ages periodically the Jews would be rounded up and herded into church, where they had to listen to a ditribe against Judaism. This was an attempt to convert them by insulting them.
You can experience similar tactics on atheist forums.

Needlesss to say as a means of gaining converts it is 100% unsucessfull.

So why do you do it?
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That is so stupid. No one is forcing you to read what I write.

If you say that if I write what believe I am forcing you to believe it then aren't you doing the same?
 

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Do you understand what Jesus was condemning here - are do you simply have an ax to grid against the Catholic Church?
The reason I ask is because of your complete obliviousness to the fact that there are MANY Churches with hierarchy in this world.

What exactly is it about the Catholic Church that caused to you ignore this fact?
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If it quacks like a duck and swims like duck then it is a duck. If the RCC has, and is doing what the Pharisees did then Jesus' condemnation fits it too.

Now show me where they are different. Show me where the RCC having people killed because they did not accept the teachings of their church is any different that the Pharisees having Jesus killed because He was a threat to their position in their religion.

You all show, by your attacks on me for stating what I believe, that you consider the fact that I won't accept your religion a threat. And in your heart you would do as the Pharisees did.
 

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If it quacks like a duck and swims like duck then it is a duck. If the RCC has, and is doing what the Pharisees did then Jesus' condemnation fits it too.

Now show me where they are different. Show me where the RCC having people killed because they did not accept the teachings of their church is any different that the Pharisees having Jesus killed because He was a threat to their position in their religion.

You all show, by your attacks on me for stating what I believe, that you consider the fact that I won't accept your religion a threat. And in your heart you would do as the Pharisees did.
The Church didn't engage in killing people because they believed "differently". Besides - that's NOT what Jesus was referring to.

As for YOU - I couldn't care less what you believe. I'm only here to expose lies and falsehoods against the Catholic Church - NOT to police what you believe in.

It's glaringly apparent, though, that you don't understand what Jesus was condemning in this passage.
It's ALSO apparent that you don't have the slightest clue as to what "RCC" means . . .
 

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There are other ways to kill a man without taking his life, just snuff out that wonderful spirit that God has put in him, there are things worse than dying, and that is what teh religious do, this bit

Joh 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Joh 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

but even after Him they come, still His sheep will not listen to them for they are strangers and they know there masters voice.
 

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The Church didn't engage in killing people because they believed "differently". Besides - that's NOT what Jesus was referring to.

As for YOU - I couldn't care less what you believe. I'm only here to expose lies and falsehoods against the Catholic Church - NOT to police what you believe in.

It's glaringly apparent, though, that you don't understand what Jesus was condemning in this passage.
It's ALSO apparent that you don't have the slightest clue as to what "RCC" means . . .
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And I am here to expose the RCC religion that has put it's self between man and God and set up rituals that must be done in the church in order to keep people in submission. The scriptures are easy to understand and know what Jesus was condemning. The RCC Pope , Bishops and Priest do the same things Jesus was saying Pharisees did. And the RCC had people put to death just as the Pharisees did.
 

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And I am here to expose the RCC religion that has put it's self between man and God and set up rituals that must be done in the church in order to keep people in submission. The scriptures are easy to understand and know what Jesus was condemning. The RCC Pope , Bishops and Priest do the same things Jesus was saying Pharisees did. And the RCC had people put to death just as the Pharisees did.
Why do you keep dodging the issues?? You don't have the foggiest clue as to what the "RCC" is - yet you keep using this term.
You state that the Church put "itself" between God and man - when the Church , the Body - IS man. You claim that the Church puts mandatory rituals to keep people in "submission" but you haven't named any.

Finally - there is not ONE single Pope who ever sanctioned the killing of a dissident. There were people within the Church that did these things but not with the blessing OR permission of the Pope. EVERY Protestant sect has people in it that do bad things. there were PLENTY of Catholics that were hanged, beheaded, tortured, burned alive, etc by Protestants in history.

Crack open a history book . . .
 

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That is so stupid. No one is forcing you to read what I write.

If you say that if I write what believe I am forcing you to believe it then aren't you doing the same?

I wastrying to subitly say that to change someones view it is more effective to use reason rather than insults.

Would you become a mormon just because they were rude about your beliefs?
 

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If it quacks like a duck and swims like duck then it is a duck. If the RCC has, and is doing what the Pharisees did then Jesus' condemnation fits it too.

Now show me where they are different. Show me where the RCC having people killed because they did not accept the teachings of their church is any different that the Pharisees having Jesus killed because He was a threat to their position in their religion.

You all show, by your attacks on me for stating what I believe, that you consider the fact that I won't accept your religion a threat. And in your heart you would do as the Pharisees did.
Still pounding the same drum? Forced conversions have been forbidden by the Church since the 3rd century. You have the same vomit in every post.
 

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If that were true, we would not have had an inquisition that killed 22 million people.
I have one on ignore already for refusing to verify that prot/cult lie. But I am a fair person. I will give you one chance to verify your hate with scholarly sources.
Scholarly sources means something written by a Ph.D., and/or peer reviewed; not some you tube clown with a fake degree.

22 million people...are you trying to be funny or are you really that ignorant?


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I have one on ignore already for refusing to verify that prot/cult lie. But I am a fair person. I will give you one chance to verify your hate with scholarly sources.
Scholarly sources means something written by a Ph.D., and/or peer reviewed; not some you tube clown with a fake degree.

22 million people...are you trying to be funny or are you really that ignorant?


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Oh my goodness an ignore has been issued. I think you have an attitude problem. Your opinion is not worth any more than te other posters and you are not God. But I somehow think those who believe what you do think they are.
 

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  • Oh my goodness an ignore has been issued. I think you have an attitude problem. Your opinion is not worth any more than te other posters and you are not God. But I somehow think those who believe what you do think they are.
    Do you believe the world renowned historian Prof. Jackkk Chickkk???
When your lies get exposed your credibility takes a nose dive. But if you don't care about your own credibility, then you are just looking for a fight. You become a waste of time. Are you familiar with the term "revisionist"?
 
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  • Do you believe the world renowned historian Prof. Jackkk Chickkk???
When your lies get exposed your credibility takes a nose dive. But if you don't care about your own credibility, then you are just looking for a fight. You become a waste of time. Are you familiar with the term "revisionist"?
Jack Chick has led a lot of people to Christ with his tracts.
How many have you led?
I think his reward in heaven is great!!!
 

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Jack Chick has led a lot of people to Christ with his tracts.
How many have you led?
I think his reward in heaven is great!!!
Jack Chick's garbage showed a laughable lack of historical and Scriptural knowledge. He blamed everything from the Russian Bolshevic Revolution and the Lincoln Assassination on the Catholic Church.
He was a charlatan.

Ever read his "Alberto" series?? Every speck of it has been proven to be fraudulent.
Alberto wasn't a former Jesuit priest as he and Church claimed. He was a con-man who was chased out of Spain for passing bad checks and other counterfeit exploits.

And YOU believe that a man who lied to and misled millions has a "great" reward in Heaven??
Now THAT'S laughable . . .