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[mjrhealth]

Hey I'm not trying to blame anyone I'm just saying these who been texting me trying to get me to believe God's plan including sin and death isn't convincing me that it's true. If you believe I'm trying to blame anyone just because they don't convince me and I give them the explanation why,go ahead believe that.

Where did I ever say Gods plan was what you quoted, It was not Gods plan, He just knew what men would do, why do you think satan and His hoards rebeled, having to bow down to things such as us, your answer is in this lione which i know you wont believe,

Luk 7:40 And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.
Luk 7:41 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.
Luk 7:42 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?
Luk 7:43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.

One can not know love till one has being loved, and God is Love no more no less.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Yes, I know. But you are saying they were not immortal. So, what could have killed them.

I am saying they were immortal prior to the fall.

So before the fall, what could have killed Adam and Eve.

Stranger

I replied to this already when I asked you if, when Adam and Eve were in their sinless state, do you believe that if they tried to breathe water like fish they wouldn't drown, or if they jumped off a cliff that was 40 stories high they wouldn't die when they hit bottom. They would drown if they tried to breathe water like fish, and they would die if they jumped off a 40 story cliff. So no they were not immortal.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Where did I ever say Gods plan was what you quoted, It was not Gods plan, He just knew what men would do, why do you think satan and His hoards rebeled, having to bow down to things such as us, your answer is in this lione which i know you wont believe,

Luk 7:40 And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.
Luk 7:41 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.
Luk 7:42 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?
Luk 7:43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.

One can not know love till one has being loved, and God is Love no more no less.

When I texted you I wasn't specifically saying you were one of those people who was trying to convince me that God plan included sin and death. The only thing I was really saying to you was if you want to believe I'm trying to blame someone to go ahead and believe that, it's no skin off my nose I know you're wrong about that.

 

[mjrhealth]

When I texted you I wasn't specifically saying you were one of those people who was trying to convince me that God plan included sin and death. The only thing I was really saying to you was if you want to believe I'm trying to blame someone to go ahead and believe that, it's no skin off my nose I know you're wrong about that.

Truth is I have no idea what you are trying to do...

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Truth is I have no idea what you are trying to do...

I'm not trying to do anything.

 

[Stranger]

I replied to this already when I asked you if, when Adam and Eve were in their sinless state, do you believe that if they tried to breathe water like fish they wouldn't drown, or if they jumped off a cliff that was 40 stories high they wouldn't die when they hit bottom. They would drown if they tried to breathe water like fish, and they would die if they jumped off a 40 story cliff. So no they were not immortal.

Well, though they probably had more sense than that in their unfallen state, you don't know that they would have died. You are assuming they would have died. Death came by sin.

Stranger

 

[mjrhealth]

I'm not trying to do anything.

Than why are you here??

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Well, though they probably had more sense than that in their unfallen state, you don't know that they would have died. You are assuming they would have died. Death came by sin.

Stranger

I'm not saying they would do such things, I'm saying they can't breathe water like fish and they would die if they hit the ground falling from 40 stories up is all.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Than why are you here??

I'm texting people about God and the scriptures, some things I read I find enlighting and yes some things I disagree with. I didn't expect to believe everything everyone believes, nor did I expect everyone to agree with me.

 

[mjrhealth]

nor did I expect everyone to agree with me.

Well Jesus had an issue with the pharisees they very rarely if ever agreed with Him teh more religous a man gets the less he agrees with Jesus it seems.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Well Jesus had an issue with the pharisees they very rarely if ever agreed with Him teh more religous a man gets the less he agrees with Jesus it seems.

I think it's too easy to judge a person to be similar to the Pharisee simply because we disagree with someone. I'm not Jesus he can judge so much better than anyone, so I'll just understand that we all believe that what we believe is true, and are honestly sharing with ohers that truth we believe. Sometimes we agree on things sometimes we don't.

 

[mjrhealth]

I think it's too easy to judge a person to be similar to the Pharisee simply because we disagree with someone. I'm not Jesus he can judge so much better than anyone, so I'll just understand that we all believe that what we believe is true, and are honestly sharing with ohers that truth we believe. Sometimes we agree on things sometimes we don't.

When people stop reading stop studying stop trying to figure it all out for themselves and turn to Christ than will find the truth since he is the truth and He is no lie, but few people choose Him over all the "learning" and so many become like this

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

and no matter how much they insist they are doing what He said they will never do this bit,

Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

and so they have no life, just keep going round in circles.

 

[Stranger]

I'm not saying they would do such things, I'm saying they can't breathe water like fish and they would die if they hit the ground falling from 40 stories up is all.

There was no death before sin entered the world. That included man and animal. There would have been no accidental falling or drowning.

Stranger

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

There was no death before sin entered the world. That included man and animal. There would have been no accidental falling or drowning.

I know Adam and Eve were not immortal so you want convince me otherwise and you honestly believe no animals died before Adam and Eve sinned. I certainly don't agree with that. The only death that didn't exist before Adam and Eve sinned was Adamic sin. That doesn't mean animals didn't die before Adam and Eve sinned.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

BARNEY BRIGHT

Why do you confuse your statements with mine?

There is no death prior to sin entering the world. Where do you get the idea that animals died before that?

Stranger

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

BARNEY BRIGHT

Why do you confuse your statements with mine?

There is no death prior to sin entering the world. Where do you get the idea that animals died before that?

Stranger

If you wish to believe animals didn't die untill after Adam and Eve sinned go ahead, but me I don't believe that.

 

[Stranger]

If you wish to believe animals didn't die untill after Adam and Eve sinned go ahead, but me I don't believe that.

Did man fear the animals prior to the fall? Were they a threat to him? Did sadness exist before the fall?

Stranger

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Did man fear the animals prior to the fall? Were they a threat to him? Did sadness exist before the fall?

Stranger

This has nothing to do with whether animals died or didn't die before Adam and Eve sinned.

 

[Stranger]

This has nothing to do with whether animals died or didn't die before Adam and Eve sinned.

Sure it does. Why did animals die, as you say? Age? Why would they age? Eaten by other animals? Why were they carnivurous? Killed by man? Why....were they a threat? Did man fear them before the fall?

Did Adam and Eve get attached to animals as you and I do. When one of theirs died would they experience 'sadness'? So, was there sadness before the fall.

Animals died because the world was brought under the curse due to sin. Before that, they did not die.

Stranger

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Sure it does. Why did animals die, as you say? Age? Why would they age? Eaten by other animals? Why were they carnivurous? Killed by man? Why....were they a threat? Did man fear them before the fall?

Did Adam and Eve get attached to animals as you and I do. When one of theirs died would they experience 'sadness'? So, was there sadness before the fall.

Animals died because the world was brought under the curse due to sin. Before that, they did not die.

Stranger

Animals have always grown old and died.