Deeper meanings in the Word

[Episkopos]

Have you ever read a verse in the bible and saw new meaning in it as if you were reading it for the first time? Even though you had read it many times before?

There are layers of meaning in the bible....especially in the OT....since the gospel was truly hidden at that time. But not so hidden that it can't be revealed by the Spirit and careful study.

i would like to list some of these verse and I hope others will contribute as well.

The goal is to encourage study of the bible for the purpose of edification, encouragement and general biblical understanding.

 

[Episkopos]

Ok, here is one that kind of sets up all the rest..and shows that God is encouraging us to dig deeper into His word because He has hidden many treasures therein.

It is the glory of God to conceal a matter,
But the glory of kings is to search out a matter. Prov. 25:2

The word "matter" used here is the Hebrew דבר

Davar...which is better translated as "word". So then God hides meanings in words. He hides words (in plain sight) that have new layers or depths of meaning that convey His will and His ways.

Many of these examples are too difficult to explain in short posts so then I'll try listing only those that can be more readily understood.

(I read the bible in Hebrew as this is something that the Lord told me to do...by saying simply "learn Hebrew"...and from there on I've had a passion for reading the OT in the Hebrew.)

 

[Episkopos]

Here is one that surprisingly few believers know. It brings 2 prophetic verses into one statement by Jesus as He hung on the cross.

That statement is...אלי אלי למה סבכתני or in English transliteration "Eli Eli lama sabachthani" (Mat. 27:46)

Eli Eli Lama sabachthani? refers to the opening words of Psalms 22:1 "My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me"

There is a hidden word being used here that ties this statement to another word found in Gen. 22:13

The word "forsaken" has been replaced from "My God My God why have you forsaken Me?" (from Psalm 22:1) for what Jesus said on the cross which actually means... "My God My God why have you entangled Me?" (the word "entangled" coming from Gen. 22:13)

So Jesus fuses these 2 ideas together to make up a new statement.

When Abraham was about to sacrifice Isaac...the angel said "God Himself will provide a sacrifice" and then a ram was seen caught in the thicket. The Hebrew for thicket (entanglement) is סבך which in noun form sounds like "sevach" but in verb form is "sabach" (as in sabachthani meaning "entangled Me" in the past tense).

So then Jesus is claiming to be the sacrifice that God promised to Abraham. To prove this He wore a crown of thorns...as if He was caught Himself in an entanglement...just as the ram.

So then 2 prophecies were fulfilled in one statement and one act...which requires such a depth of sovereignty to accomplish...that it bears meditating on! :)

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Here is one that surprisingly few believers know. It brings 2 prophetic verses into statement by Jesus as He hung on the cross.

That statement is...אלי אלי למה סבכתני or in English transliteration "Eli Eli lama sabachthani" (Mat. 27:46)

Eli Eli Lama sabachthani? refers to the opening words of Psalms 22:2 "My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me"

There is a hidden word being used here that ties this statement to another word found in Gen. 22.

The word "forsaken" has been replaced from "My God My God why have you forsaken Me?" for what Jesus said on the cross which actually means... "My God My God why have you entangled Me?"

When Abraham was about to sacrifice Isaac...the angel said "God Himself will provide a sacrifice" and then a ram was seen caught in the thicket. The Hebrew for thicket (entanglement) is סבך which in noun form sounds like "sevach" but in verb form is "sabach" (as in sabachthani meaning "entangled Me" in the past tense).

So then Jesus is claiming to be the sacrifice that God promised to Abraham. To prove this He wore a crown of thorns...as if He was caught Himself in an entanglement...just as the ram.

So then 2 prophecies were fulfilled in one statement and one act...which requires such a depth of sovereignty to accomplish. it bears meditating on! :)

Thank you.

 

[Episkopos]

Hab.2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

וצדיק באמונתו יחיה


Whose faith? A man's own faith? Does a righteous man live by his own inherent faithfulness? This statement has a deeper meaning...a deeper one than the Jewish faithful could comprehend at the time. And that is that we are to live by the faith of Christ. His faith...not just our own. His faith takes us to His life...just as our own beliefs cause us to live life on the human level. The faith of Jesus takes us into divine life.

 

[Helen]

What an excellent thread. Thank you so much. I was especially blessed by the quote here. I never heard that before...love it!! :)

he word "forsaken" has been replaced from "My God My God why have you forsaken Me?" for what Jesus said on the cross which actually means... "My God My God why have you entangled Me?"

When Abraham was about to sacrifice Isaac...the angel said "God Himself will provide a sacrifice" and then a ram was seen caught in the thicket. The Hebrew for thicket (entanglement) is סבך which in noun form sounds like "sevach" but in verb form is "sabach" (as in sabachthani meaning "entangled Me" in the past tense).

So then Jesus is claiming to be the sacrifice that God promised to Abraham. To prove this He wore a crown of thorns...as if He was caught Himself in an entanglement...just as the ram.

So then 2 prophecies were fulfilled in one statement and one act...which requires such a depth of sovereignty to accomplish...that it bears meditating on!

 

[Taken]

Insightful thread.
Thanks for sharing.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[faithfulness]

Hab.2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

וצדיק באמונתו יחיה


Whose faith? A man's own faith? Does a righteous man live by his own inherent faithfulness? This statement has a deeper meaning...a deeper one than the Jewish faithful could comprehend at the time. And that is that we are to live by the faith of Christ. His faith...not just our own. His faith takes us to His life...just as our own beliefs cause us to live life on the human level. The faith of Jesus takes us into divine life.

I understand that it is no longer I but Christ, but how do we move from our faith to His Faith that we are to live by?


וצדיק באמונתו יחיה

 

[Mayflower]

Have you ever read a verse in the bible and saw new meaning in it as if you were reading it for the first time? Even though you had read it many times before?

There are layers of meaning in the bible....especially in the OT....since the gospel was truly hidden at that time. But not so hidden that it can't be revealed by the Spirit and careful study.

i would like to list some of these verse and I hope others will contribute as well.

The goal is to encourage study of the bible for the purpose of edification, encouragement and general biblical understanding.

I know one thing that inspired me the first time I heard it was when there was a sermon on the love chapter.

Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
1 Corinthians 13:4‭-‬7 NASB

The pastor had said to try putting your name in where it said "love" and see how many of these attributes you have. This really brought fruitful application in my life, but I got to say, I am still not a very patient person.

 

[APAK]

I understand that it is no longer I but Christ, but how do we move from our faith to His Faith that we are to live by?


וצדיק באמונתו יחיה

We must keep 'carrying our crosses' daily, by humility and being in denial of ourselves - to lose ourselves and our own will, and yielding to God's will. As we are not Christ we must fall on our faces with our cross as the sign of our imperfection and sin nature. We reach our limit of faith every day or within time. Although, over time and practice, God provides us with more faith and we carry 'our cross' further and for a longer period of time.

Technically, it is really God's faith that is given to us, not Christ. We become more and more like Christ over time, and to a faith as Jesus possesses - as per Galatians 2:20. Jesus has this faith and this is our goal, and we are moving to this faith by God's spirit. We do not have this same level of faith as Jesus, living in this sinful flesh. That's why we need to carry our cross.....sounding like a broken record here. If you get my drift, Jesus never carried a spiritual cross, only a physical one and we know he reached his physical limit with it. His spiritual power and faith was not limited as ours is today in our form.

(Gal 2:20) I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I that live but Christ living in me; and that life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith which is in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself up for me. (NEV)

Bless you,


APAK

 

[tigger 2]

Prov. 15:2 (post 2) should be, I believe, 25:2.

Psalm 22:2 (post 3) should be, I believe, Psalm 22:1.

The inspired writers of Matt. 27:46 and Mark 15:34 translate the Hebrew word into Greek as ἐγκατέλιπες ('forsaken') not 'entangled' or anything comparable. The Septuagint at Psalm 22:1 (21:1) uses the same Greek word to translate the Hebrew of Psalm 22:1 as 'forsaken'.

I can't see any clear connection to 'entangled'; do you have any quotes or sources for this?

 

[Enoch111]

The inspired writers of Matt. 27:46 and Mark 15:34 translate the Hebrew word into Greek as ἐγκατέλιπες ('forsaken') not 'entangled' or anything comparable.

'Forsaken' is the correct translation of the Hebrew word עֲזַבְתָּ֑נִי (azavtani) from Psalm 22:1, which becomes sabachthani in Aramaic.

We can certainly try to find a deeper meaning in this, but we should not try to put a different meaning on Bible words.

 

[Helen]

I understand that it is no longer I but Christ, but how do we move from our faith to His Faith that we are to live by?


וצדיק באמונתו יחיה

Is that not the “I die daily”....a conscious daily choice?

WELCOME to the site.

 

[Butterfly]

Thank you - food for thought here xx
I love it when words / verses I have read loads of times suddenly come to life with new inspiration - or someone else shares something from a verse and just inspires a new train of thought
Rita

 

[Butterfly]

Just to add I am always intrigued by the translation of words, it all adds to the mix and I love knowing the Hebrew/ Greek - i am definitely a ' words ' person and have a reflective personality- so this thread inspires me xx
Rita

 

[Episkopos]

I understand that it is no longer I but Christ, but how do we move from our faith to His Faith that we are to live by?


וצדיק באמונתו יחיה

Welcome here faithfulness. :)

When a ship is caught on a sandbar it needs a tow to get free of it and be towed into open water. The ship that is stuck casts a rope, which is quite small (insufficient to pull the ship but easy to cast) to the tugboat, in order for a big towing line to be then be pulled to the ship and tied to it. Then the tugboat can pull the ship free.

It is like that in that we cast out our own small faith into the mist...with all our own strength...until it is caught by Jesus Christ so that we pull in the much larger faith of Christ which is able to pull us into His kingdom life. Our faith is then transformed into His faith....from faith to Faith. Without Christ and His faith...we can go nowhere. But with Christ towing us...we go where He goes...under His power no longer our own.

Just an example...:)

 

[Episkopos]

'Forsaken' is the correct translation of the Hebrew word עֲזַבְתָּ֑נִי (azavtani) from Psalm 22:1, which becomes sabachthani in Aramaic.

We can certainly try to find a deeper meaning in this, but we should not try to put a different meaning on Bible words.

This is what Jesus did...

Anybody can quote from one verse...but Jesus combined 2 verses together to get a new meaning. So you must add the Gen. 22:13

Then Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw behind him a ram in the thicket, caught by its horns. So he went and took the ram and offered it as a burnt offering in place of his son.

to the Psalm 22:2 statement...

Jesus' statement was not in Aramaic....which transliterated would read like "Elahi Elahi lemana....

No, it was definitely Hebrew...Jesus only switched one word..the hidden word...the mystery word...from azavthani...to sabachthani

From "forsaken" to "entangled"

Even in a modern Hebrew dictionary the word "sabach" means entangled.

So this is a sign for the Jews. And hopefully something that can be appraised and appreciated by believers everywhere.

 

[Episkopos]

="tigger 2, post: 430324, member: 7653"]Prov. 15:2 (post 2) should be, I believe, 25:2.


You are right...typo on my part...thank you

Psalm 22:2 (post 3) should be, I believe, Psalm 22:1.

Again correct ( I was trusting my memory...which I shouldn't when it comes to exact verses...)

The inspired writers of Matt. 27:46 and Mark 15:34 translate the Hebrew word into Greek as ἐγκατέλιπες ('forsaken') not 'entangled' or anything comparable. The Septuagint at Psalm 22:1 (21:1) uses the same Greek word to translate the Hebrew of Psalm 22:1 as 'forsaken'.

I am speaking of the original Hebrew text preserved by the Masorites ( read and trusted by the Jews) which can be verified to this day to be as I have stated.


I can't see any clear connection to 'entangled'; do you have any quotes or sources for this?

I have the Masoretic Hebrew text.

 

[Episkopos]

We must keep 'carrying our crosses' daily, by humility and being in denial of ourselves - to lose ourselves and our own will, and yielding to God's will. As we are not Christ we must fall on our faces with our cross as the sign of our imperfection and sin nature. We reach our limit of faith every day or within time. Although, over time and practice, God provides us with more faith and we carry 'our cross' further and for a longer period of time.

Technically, it is really God's faith that is given to us, not Christ. We become more and more like Christ over time, and to a faith as Jesus possesses - as per Galatians 2:20. Jesus has this faith and this is our goal, and we are moving to this faith by God's spirit. We do not have this same level of faith as Jesus, living in this sinful flesh. That's why we need to carry our cross.....sounding like a broken record here. If you get my drift, Jesus never carried a spiritual cross, only a physical one and we know he reached his physical limit with it. His spiritual power and faith was not limited as ours is today in our form.

(Gal 2:20) I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I that live but Christ living in me; and that life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith which is in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself up for me. (NEV)

Bless you,


APAK

The faith OF Christ was worked out in Jesus' humanity as He walked in this Earthly place. It is available to us as we enter into Him. We put on His victorious humanity when we put on Christ.

 

[Episkopos]

Thank you - food for thought here xx
I love it when words / verses I have read loads of times suddenly come to life with new inspiration - or someone else shares something from a verse and just inspires a new train of thought
Rita

I appreciate your thoughts and presence here!