Eternal Security

[GodsGrace]

I only got the 7 "Specific" ones, from what I read they fall under one of these: conditional, unconditional, and general.

Here are some...
Edenic
Adamic
Noahic
Abrahamic
Palestinian
Davidic
Mosaic
New

It's a great study, but not easy to do alone.
Some theologians start with the Adamic,,,but covenant language is present in the Edenic.

 

[Jun2u]

One of the most effective ways to mislead the brethren is to read our own beliefs into the text. If Yeshua is YHWH, then he is his own father (Psalms 2:7).

You are absolutely correct!!!

When you were born did you inherit your father’s DNA? Absolutely!

Well, time and again Jesus would affirm that God is His Father. Would you say Jesus inherited His Father’s DNA, in this case His Father’s attributes? Most certainly.

I’m going to lay another BOMB SHELL upon you as I’ve done in the past. Did you know that the Holy Spirit is also Jesus’ Father? Yes, indeed!!!

We read…

Matthew 1:18-20
18) Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
20) But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

So you think you understand the Godhead? Our finite mind were not created to fathom this great mystery. Scripture is indeed correct to teach there are three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Enoch111]

One of the most effective ways to mislead the brethren is to read our own beliefs into the text. If Yeshua is YHWH, then he is his own father (Psalms 2:7).

Well, that's the beauty of the Godhead. YHWH can apply to all -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Since you resist this truth, you cannot comprehend it.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
John 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
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You misunderstand John 10:30 which is a oneness of purpose, not of being.

Bible Gateway
Titus 2:13 New International Version (NIV)
13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

 

[GodsGrace]

Actually...it doesn't exist until a man actually walks in it. It is only potential before that. Unless a man walks in the power of Christ...just as Jesus did...the NC doesn't work. But it only takes one to make it real.

The NC is by faith. But so is moving mountains...by faith. Peter walked for a short time on water...but he did do it! He did walk in grace for that period. But the fact that the potential is there doesn't make faith easy. it goes against everything we know and have experienced.

So then the NC is really a fantastical and impossible formula of trusting that God is waiting for us to ask Him for the impossible.

The NC is based on the impossible.

Our faith is in the God of the impossible.

So then rather than do religious things...we need to have a completely new mind about life. The mind of Christ.

So then God is actually expecting MORE than He did in the OC. But that is because it is made available through Jesus coming down and joining us here to take on our humanity. Now anything Jesus can do...so can we.

I wouldn't say anything Jesus could do we could do.
He was human but He was God too.
I find that faith becomes easier and easier.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

You are absolutely correct!!!

When you were born did you inherit your father’s DNA? Absolutely!

Well, time and again Jesus would affirm that God is His Father. Would you say Jesus inherited His Father’s DNA, in this case His Father’s attributes? Most certainly.

I’m going to lay another BOMB SHELL upon you as I’ve done in the past. Did you know that the Holy Spirit is also Jesus’ Father? Yes, indeed!!!

We read…

Matthew 1:18-20
18) Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
20) But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

So you think you understand the Godhead? Our finite mind were not created to fathom this great mystery. Scripture is indeed correct to teach there are three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

To God Be The Glory

There is only one God, not three.

 

[Enoch111]

But you have YHWH in parenthesis.

Only because LORD (small capitals) stands for YHWH in the KJB.

And there was a good reason for that since devout Jews substituted "Adonai" (Lord) for YHWH, fearing to take God's name in vain.

YHWH has been pronounced as Yahweh, Yehovah, or Jehovah, but in the Hebrew it is simply YHWH (or nowadays they claim it is YHVH.

Strong's Concordance
Yhvh: the proper name of the God of Israel
Original Word: יְהֹוָה
Part of Speech: Proper Name
Transliteration: Yhvh
Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-vaw')
Short Definition: LORD

 

[Jun2u]

There is only one God, not three.

So say you. To each his own. You rise or fall on your own belief.

 

[Episkopos]

I wouldn't say anything Jesus could do we could do.
He was human but He was God too.
I find that faith becomes easier and easier.

That's right...Jesus said we would do greater things...

 

[Nancy]

There is only one God, not three.

Hi stranger. Nice avater...you remind me of Keith Green. Still got all that hair? lol.

 

[gadar perets]

You are absolutely correct!!!

When you were born did you inherit your father’s DNA? Absolutely!

Well, time and again Jesus would affirm that God is His Father. Would you say Jesus inherited His Father’s DNA, in this case His Father’s attributes? Most certainly.

Yes, His attributes, not His DNA.

I’m going to lay another BOMB SHELL upon you as I’ve done in the past. Did you know that the Holy Spirit is also Jesus’ Father? Yes, indeed!!!

We read…

Matthew 1:18-20
18) Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
20) But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

So you think you understand the Godhead? Our finite mind were not created to fathom this great mystery. Scripture is indeed correct to teach there are three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

If we can't understand it, then why do you pretend to? Yeshua did not have "Fathers". He has one Father which is why he said, "my Father" 58 times in the NT and NEVER said, "my Fathers". The Holy Spirit is not a third person. It is the power, mind and Spirit of the Father.

 

[GodsGrace]

Only because LORD (small capitals) stands for YHWH in the KJB.

And there was a good reason for that since devout Jews substituted "Adonai" (Lord) for YHWH, fearing to take God's name in vain.

YHWH has been pronounced as Yahweh, Yehovah, or Jehovah, but in the Hebrew it is simply YHWH (or nowadays they claim it is YHVH.

Strong's Concordance
Yhvh: the proper name of the God of Israel
Original Word: יְהֹוָה
Part of Speech: Proper Name
Transliteration: Yhvh
Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-vaw')
Short Definition: LORD

You said Jesus appeared in the ot.
But then you quoted LORD. As you state above, that means YAWEH.
Are you confusing what you're saying??
Jesus is Lord,,,not LORD.

 

[gadar perets]

Well, that's the beauty of the Godhead. YHWH can apply to all -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Since you resist this truth, you cannot comprehend it.

The Scriptures declare there is only ONE YHWH.

1. "Now therefore, O YHWHour Mighty One, I beseech thee, save thou us out of his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art YHWH Elohim, even thou only" (II Kgs.19:19 )

2. "Thou, even thou art YHWH alone; . . ." ( Ne.9:6 )

3. "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is YHWH, art the most high over all the earth" ( Ps.83:18 )

4. " . . .that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art YHWH, even thou only" (Isa.37:20 )

5. "I am YHWH, and there is none else . . ." (Isa.45:5 )

6. "That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am YHWH, and there is none else" ( Isa.45:6 )

7. "For thus saith YHWH that created the heavens; . . .I am YHWH; and there is none else" (Isa.45:18 )

8. "Hear, O Israel: YHWH our Mighty One is one YHWH" ( De.6:4 )

 

[GodsGrace]

That's right...Jesus said we would do greater things...

Which ones?

 

[Nancy]

That's right...Jesus said we would do greater things...

I often wonder if Jesus meant "greater" in scope as opposed to His miracles. Cause, I gotta say, I see nothing of the kind happening in this world. Maybe in 3rd world countries perhaps, were (IMHO) their faith is much stronger. Our hospitals are full, always. People are sick all around us, always.
Seems to me either He meant scope, or, Christians don't even have faith the size of a mustard seed.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

So say you. To each his own. You rise or fall on your own belief.

The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool

Which Lord is your Lord?

 

[gadar perets]

Bible Gateway
Titus 2:13 New International Version (NIV)
13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

What does this have to do with your belief that the Father and Son are the same being? Yeshua Messiah is the "glory of our great God and Savior" YHWH. Or did you not know that Yeshua's Father is our Savior as well?

 

[gadar perets]

There is only one God, not three.

Correct. So abandon your trinity doctrine.

 

[Episkopos]

Which ones?

For one...Philip was transported by the Spirit from one town to the next. And he wasn't God. I think you may have a difficult time with the humanity of Jesus. We can do all things through Christ.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Correct. So abandon your trinity doctrine.

Dont tell me what to believe
You sound like a Jehovah's witness