Does Jesus give people a 2nd chance after death?

[Rollo Tamasi]

When was this videoed??

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Sometime in the past....

 

[Nancy]

HA! I USED to have 6-8 about 4 years back, lasted for a good year. Couldn't work anymore and was lost and flailing without purpose. Literally got on mt face, prone before God. Since then, long, short-He has brought me to heights I could never imagine. His grace is so gigantic. And, BTW-it i rare that I even have alcohol in my house. I enjoy a beer OR TWO while barbecuing and listening to music. There is NO getting drunk on anything BUT the Holy Spirit for me anymore ♥

 

[Nancy]

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Sometime in the past....

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

 

[Nancy]

Love these guys, and this song but...I cannot think of them without of thinking about "snot" -Aqualung!

 

[Nancy]

So, @Rollo Tamasi
Have you come to any conclusion as to whether Jesus gives someone a second chance?

 

[Ac28]

It's a valid point however for a thread.
There's a church near me that teaches we CAN be saved after death.
I mean, could you envision the scene? I've described it and won't bore readers by doing this again...but we could write a script on this.

I would like to address your statement on John 3:13.
What does it mean exactly?
Don't people go to heaven, or wherever it is they belong, when they die?

That's what the resurrections are all about, none of which have occurred yet. By my count, there will be 4 of them, each involving massive amounts of Saints, plus a few small ones, some only with 1 or 2 people. Every saint who has ever died is "asleep" in the grave waiting for their resurrection.

There is no scripture that even hints at anyone going to heaven immediately when they die.

Jn 3:13 is just what it says. "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." At this point, ONLY Christ has ascended to Heaven - NO ONE ELSE - EVER!! That was said 2000 years ago, but there is no scripture to alter it. When the scripture is silent, we MUST also be silent.

 

[quietthinker]

Jesus made a somewhat ambiguous statement in Matthew 12:32. One problem is this statement isn't made any where else. The other problem is Jesus liked to make ambiguous statements. Matt 12:32 as per the NIV says "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." Okay so blasphemy against the Holy Spirit won't be forgiven after death (we all agree on that) but Jesus seems to be implying that perhaps some sins will be forgiven after death, at least for some people. Most of us learned no sins get forgiven after death but maybe some do. I wouldn't count on this, especially with only 1 scripture reference. I wouldn't preach this. However, for all of us who had a loved one die in a state that wasn't godly maybe there is hope for that soul. I would think the sin the person died with matters, but to God that may not be the issue.

All I'm saying is Matt 12:32 is something to keep in mind.

Nothing ambiguous about Matt 12:32 Abeliever. In fact it is straight forward and simple. The problem lies in trying to to put new wine into old wine skins ie, trying to fit God's words into a paradigm that's constructed in mans imagination rather than allowing God to teach and above all, not being able to discern the difference.

 

[dataylor]

John 6:32-33:Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread out of heaven, but iis My Father who gives you the true bread out of heaven. For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world.”

I John 2:1-2: My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

Acts 2:16-17: But this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: ‘And it shall be in the last days,‘ God says, ‘that I will pour forth of my spirit on all mankind; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.’

John 12:32: And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw (Greek: drag) all men to myself.

Isaiah 45:21-23: “Declare and set forth your case; Indeed, let them consult together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has long since declared it? Is it not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other." “I invite the whole world to turn to me and be saved. I have sworn by Myself, The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness And will not turn back … That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance."

Philippians 2:9-11: For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the graves), and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I agree with Scripture.



Actually Animal Blood Sacrifice ended with the distruction of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.



What I said is God REQUIRES a mans BLOOD LIFE.

What Scripture says IS;
Gen 9:5
....your blood of your lives will I require....
I require the life of man.

It is Scipture you disagree with.



Oh good grief....get real.



So your point is Gifts Offered By God are Forced, and "not Accepted" by a man?



Nor did you quote me saying that, so what is the point of your comment?



Okay.

God Bless,
Taken

The blood sacrifice could of started again after that but it was because of Jesus that we do not regard such rubbish anymore, so you are just being silly stating that.

Gen 9:5 is about or considered as a sign of life, God requires you life, not your real blood, because it's about that God made man, we are his creation.
The blood is of no account now, we are talking about the Spirit not a mans blood at all.
People who rant about the blood are doing what the OT Jews do, it's not Christian.

As for Vampires you must be getting mixed up with TV movies Vampires and such rubbish, I am talking about the living dead, if one is not born again you are dead as to knowing God, did you not know that.
It's about what people who are spiritual dead do, I have seen there works, I can see what they are doing you know, what the possessed do is they feed off all around them and they consider themselves a work in progress for themselves and there own stupid moronic ego, so they look down an all others and if they see a chance and just like the rat that they are, they will take it and bag any other as the looser, they have no morals in such a regard. it's all about them, because they have inferiority complexes, they do look up to others that they feel are greater then themselves but they want to be up there with their idols, but they know they can't cut the grade, it's all about worldly perspectives to them, they do not understand the Holy Spirit at all.
They try to fool all who they are and have tickets on themselves.
Hey I have been in business for some years and I can read people like a book when doing business, I know what they are going to say before they even open their mouth I can read their body language and I know what they are.
But when dealing with another born again Christian I will know that they are and such people do not have inferiority complexes, they are comfortable in who they are and have Grace in the Lord Jesus, they are not a ratbag fool scratching about like a moron in his own little world only concerned with himself. that's the main reason why people get divorced you know, because it's all about them and all, no Grace is within them.

The Gift only comes when you are Born Again and you pick it up because you know what it is in fact and if you did not know what the gift was, you would not be Born Again now would you.

Now some I know that say they are born again say there is a free gift, but they must of tossed it away, because they say OSAS and now they can do what ever they want regardless, because they say that they are going to Heaven regardless of how much of a degenerate that they are, they think that they can kill others regardless and even serve the so called Jews because they claim such to be Gods people, but the fact is they are possessed of Satan.
Why would one look up to such who are in fact Anti-Christs.
yes they are Vampires ! they suck the life blood out of people and such people are just like a husk, sure they are breathing and all but the lights are not on, as there is no Holy Spirit in them at all, but only religious madness.

 

[charity]

The word is Tartarus.

Hello @GodsGrace,

The Greek word in Strong's concordance is 'Tartaroo' (Str.No. G5020), in regard to 2 Peter 2:4; and that is the only place the word is translated in Scripture. Tartarus is a word used in Greek mythology.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Love these guys, and this song but...I cannot think of them without of thinking about "snot" -Aqualung!

GROSS!

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

So, @Rollo Tamasi
Have you come to any conclusion as to whether Jesus gives someone a second chance?

No one has proven it, so I can't believe it.
This thread shows how people read into verses to come up with their own conclusions.

 

[Nancy]

No one has proven it, so I can't believe it.
This thread shows how people read into verses to come up with their own conclusions.

Hm, yeah...kind of like every thread on here seems...

 

[Nancy]

GROSS!

Ahahaha...yes it IS.

 

[Taken]

That's because there is no scripture for a second chance.
Just a lot of wishful thinking. When the unsaved die, they suffer the ultimate punishment - permanent death. I can't believe this topic about a second chance, which has no scriptural basis at all, has 167 posts. When the Bible is silent, we must also be silent.

Sort of like people thinking they immediately go to Heaven when they die, even though in Jn 3:13, it says no one, except Christ, has ever gone to Heaven.

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"Living souls" saved From death, go to heaven, after their body dies and goes to the grave.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

Every saint who has ever died is "asleep" in the grave waiting for their resurrection.

every saint who has ever died did so at baptism, Ac, and none of them are waiting on Jesus for anything wadr

 

[bbyrd009]

so blasphemy against the Holy Spirit won't be forgiven after death (we all agree on that)

so you say, but examine when you are supposed to "die" as a Christian, and see that you have inserted "after death" to comport with your expectations wadr. "either in this age or in the age to come" can just as easily describe your walk pre and post baptism, see

 

[GodsGrace]

That's what the resurrections are all about, none of which have occurred yet. By my count, there will be 4 of them, each involving massive amounts of Saints, plus a few small ones, some only with 1 or 2 people. Every saint who has ever died is "asleep" in the grave waiting for their resurrection.

There is no scripture that even hints at anyone going to heaven immediately when they die.

Jn 3:13 is just what it says. "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." At this point, ONLY Christ has ascended to Heaven - NO ONE ELSE - EVER!! That was said 2000 years ago, but there is no scripture to alter it. When the scripture is silent, we MUST also be silent.

I know that when there is only one verse that might conflict with the rest of scripture, it is that ONE verse that should be ignored, or for which there is an explanation which may or may not be understood by us.

John 3:13 is such a verse
13“No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man. NASB

13No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Mane has come down from heaven. NLT

13 No one has gone up into heaven, but there is One who came down from heaven, the Son of Man [Himself—whose home is in heaven]. Amplified Bible

When Jesus had said this to Nicodemus, no one HAD been in heaven yet....they were in Abraham's Bossom awaiting the resurrection of Jesus when the gates of heaven were first opened. Luke 15:19-31

Also, we have to take into account other verses that plainly say we go directly to heaven:
Luke 23:43 Jesus said:
Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."

And Paul said that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord:
2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Also, please remember that at the Transfiguration, Moses and Elijah were alive and not in soul sleep.

Final point,,,I can't think of a Christian church off hand that believes in soul sleep....the SDA do.

Here's a commenary:


Expositor's Greek Testament
John 3:13. καὶ οὐδεὶς ἀναβέβηκεν … καταβάς. The connection is: You have not believed earthly things, much less will you believe those which are heavenly; for not only are they in their own nature more difficult to understand, but there is none to testify of them save only that One who came down out of heaven. The sentence may be paraphrased thus: No one has gone up to heaven and by dwelling there gained a knowledge of the heavenly things: One only has dwelt there and is able to communicate that knowledge—He, viz., who has come down from heaven. “Presence in heaven” is considered to be the ground and qualification for communicating trustworthy information regarding “heavenly things”. Direct knowledge and personal experience of heavenly things alone justify authoritative declarations about them; as in earthly things one may expect to be believed if he can say, “we speak that we do know and testify that we have seen”. But this “presence in heaven” Jesus declares to be the qualification exclusively of one person. This person He describes as “He that came down out of heaven,” adding as a further description “the Son of Man” [who is in heaven]. This description identifies this person as Jesus Himself. He claims therefore to have a unique qualification for the declaration of truth about heavenly things, and this qualification consists in this, that He and He alone has had direct perception of heavenly things. He has been in heaven. By “heaven” it is not a locality that is indicated, but that condition which is described in the prologue as πρὸς τὸν θεόν. And when He speaks of coming down out of heaven He can only mean manifesting Himself to those who are on that lower level from which they had not been able to ascend to the knowledge of heavenly things. In short, we have here the basis in Christ’s own words of the statement in the prologue that the Word was in the beginning with God, and became flesh to be a light to men. Why is ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου introduced? It identifies the person spoken of, and it suggests that He who alone had the knowledge of heavenly things now wore human nature, was accessible, and was there for the purpose of communicating this knowledge. The words added in the T.R., ὁ ὢν ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, affirm that although He had come out of heaven He was still in it, and they show that a condition of being, not a locality, was meant by “heaven”.

source: John 3 Expositor's Greek Testament

 

[GodsGrace]

Hello @GodsGrace,

The Greek word in Strong's concordance is 'Tartaroo' (Str.No. G5020), in regard to 2 Peter 2:4; and that is the only place the word is translated in Scripture. Tartarus is a word used in Greek mythology.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Do you think Tartaroo and Tartarus are two different places?
They are the same place....except that when I studied about hell, since it is really never mentioned in scripture except for 2 Peter 2:4, the word being used was
tartarus.



Thayer's Greek Lexicon

ταρταρόω, ταρτάρῳ: 1 aorist participle ταρταρώσας; (τάρταρος, the name of a subterranean region, doleful and dark, regarded by the ancient Greeks as the abode of the wicked dead, where they suffer punishment for their evil deeds; it answers to the Gehenna of the Jews, see γηννα); to thrust down to Tartarus (sometimes in the Scholiasts) (cf. Winers Grammar, 25 (24) n.); to hold captive in Tartarus: τινα σειραῖς (which see) σοφοῦ, 2 Peter 2:4 (A. V. cast down to hell (making the dative depend on παρέδωκεν)).

I did notice that Strong's has Tartaroos.
Of course, I like Thayer's better!
LOL (I really do)