The Undiscovered Christ

[Taken]

How so did Jesus have a "fully HUMAN nature"?

Here's a couple of things that apply to the HUMAN mans Nature;

Did He LUST after women?
Did He TELL LIES to avoid hurting someone's feelings?


Glory to God,
Taken

Fallen human nature Jesus did not have.[/QUOTE]

Jesus expressly came Forth out from God in Heaven. Earthly men, called Human Kinds of men, come forth out of Dust of the Created Earth.

Jesus was revealed To Earthly man "KIND" ;
in the "Likeness" of an express "Kind" Of man, called Faithful.
in a form, called a Body.
And that FORM, was expressly Prepared by God.

Jesus was not A Human KIND of man.
Jesus did not Have the Nature/Earthly Natural of Human Kind of Men.

Jesus Appeared "AS" a "A Human KIND of man."

Jesus was NOT born of Blood...or the Will of Earthly Kind of Man.

Why keep assigning a "Human" anything To Jesus?

Jesus is the Same Yesterday, Today and For Ever.

He is Not Spirit one Day and Human the next Day!!
He is Not Human one Day and Spirit the next day!!

You were a toddler, and now an adult.
When you teach a baby HOW TO walk, use a spoon, play with a dump truck, by doing those thing yourself...Does that make you A Baby? Because you used yourself as a visual Example? Uh no.

Jesus was Human manKINDS Example.

He had No Need To "Be" A Human, To Teach the very Things He created and made......

No more than you would need To "Be" a Baby To Teach a Baby.

Glory To God,
Taken

 

[Dave L]

Fallen human nature Jesus did not have.

Jesus expressly came Forth out from God in Heaven. Earthly men, called Human Kinds of men, come forth out of Dust of the Created Earth.

Jesus was revealed To Earthly man "KIND" ;
in the "Likeness" of an express "Kind" Of man, called Faithful.
in a form, called a Body.
And that FORM, was expressly Prepared by God.

Jesus was not A Human KIND of man.
Jesus did not Have the Nature/Earthly Natural of Human Kind of Men.

Jesus Appeared "AS" a "A Human KIND of man."

Jesus was NOT born of Blood...or the Will of Earthly Kind of Man.

Why keep assigning a "Human" anything To Jesus?

Jesus is the Same Yesterday, Today and For Ever.

He is Not Spirit one Day and Human the next Day!!
He is Not Human one Day and Spirit the next day!!

You were a toddler, and now an adult.
When you teach a baby HOW walk, use a spoon, play with a dump truck, by doing those thing yourself...Does that make you A Baby? Because you used yourself as a visual Example? Uh no.

Jesus was Human manKINDS Example.

He had No Need To "Be" A Human, To Teach the very Things He created and made......

No more than you would need To "Be" a Baby To Teach a Baby.

Glory To God,
Taken[/QUOTE]
None of what you say recognizes the Christ of the bible.

 

[bbyrd009]

Of course One person can quote one scripture and another person can quote another scripture that Between the two scriptures the scriptures themselves seems like OPPOSITE Meanings.

Scripture DOES say OPPOSITE THINGS.

WHY?

Because Scripture IS a teaching of KNOWLEDGE that APPLES TO Individuals who BELIEVE Completely OPPOSITE THINGS.

If a man BELIEVES in God, there are Scriptures that APPLY to him, that Would not apply to a DISBELIEVER.

If a man DISBELIEVES in God, there are Scriptures that APPLY to him, that Would not apply to the Believer.

There are also Scriptures that APPLY to A Converted Beliver, THAT DO NOT APPLY to a an UNCONVERTED Believer.

You mention Oneness VS the Trinity.

"ONENESS" and "TRINITY" are not IN Scripture, but rather are single word concepts to convey "and introduction" of WHAT an individual Believes ABOUT God.

MY view;

IS GOD ONE GOD? Yes.

IS GOD ONE GOD who can and does Spiritually come Forth out from Himself to effect His own desires and pleasures? Yes.

When God sends forth His WORD out of His mouth, Did HE give the world a NAME to call His Word? Yes

When Gods sends forth His SPIRIT out from Him, Did He give the world a NAME to call His Spirit? Yes.

Has God Himself, claimed He IS ONE GOD?
Yes.

Has God Himself, called what is HE...mine, our, us.....? Yes.

Do you do the same?
Do you come here send your word out of your mouth....and call your word by the name...
"bbyrd009" ?
Does your word out of your mouth have other names, that would apply for other certain people to call you?
IOW...would your child or employer call your word, you, by the name bbyrd009 ?

With numerous names, as many men answer to....does not make them any less ONE single individual.

God has numerous names and titles, and NOT all men address Him with the exact same names and titles.....just as individuals do not address you with the exact same names and titles.

When Scripture speaks of Gods names, His titles....
It is He, Them, His, Their, etc.
As for Himself, He has said of Himself;
I, me, us, ours, mine, etc.

It is all in reference TO ONE God, who as you, has numerous names and titles, that applies to your ONE self.

God Bless,
Taken

strikes me as a diff subject than what you quoted me on, not sure how they intersect there sorry

 

[Taken]

strikes me as a diff subject than what you quoted me on, not sure how they intersect there sorry

Point is:
All of Scripture is True.
However all of Scripture DOES NOT Apply To every individual man.

I trust the Rapture is True...meaning that The Lord Himself Will quickly Take off the face of the Earth what is His To Take...

Not everyone IS His To Take...
Not everyone Believes They Belong To Him ...
Not everyone Believes How He will Take what belongs To Him.

If those things do not Apply to an individual...Then they have chosen the scriptures which speak of such things...Do not Apply to Them.

It does not make the Scripture unTrue....
It simply makes particular Truths not applicable to particular individuals.

Some people are still "shopping" deciding what to believe....

Sometimes you appear to present yourself in a shopping mode.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

Sometimes you appear to present yourself in a shopping mode.

yes, well put, ty
The amazing name Hebrew: meaning and etymology
2he who says he knows anything does not yet know it as he ought

Some people are still "shopping" deciding what to believe....

awesome, there is no judgement for beliefs anyway, and these are in such a better position than those who say that they know, and thus cannot even see the truth when it should become more clear.

We call them Beliefs instead of Truths for this very reason, right.
Yes, i am seeking, knocking, asking, groping, all of those things

9keep knocking and asking

 

[Taken]

yes, well put, ty
The amazing name Hebrew: meaning and etymology
2he who says he knows anything does not yet know it as he ought

I am not a Hebrew. :)

[/QUOTe] awesome, there is no judgement for beliefs anyway, [/QUOTE]

Uh...disagree.

and these are in such a better position than those who say that they know, and thus cannot even see the truth when it should become more clear.

It seems you do not grasp what is my view...
To expound...

I favor learning a truth, then another, then another....according to what the Lord says.

What men teach as their philosophy, ideas, etc...that do not parrot the Lords Word do not capture my interest.

We call them Beliefs instead of Truths for this very reason, right.

If it IS your belief, It IS your truth.

Yes, i am seeking, knocking, asking, groping, all of those things

Sure....just at times am wondering whose door you are knocking on and asking.

9keep knocking and asking

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

If it IS your belief, It IS your truth.

so you say, yes

 

[Taken]

so you say, yes

Well uh. Weird to me that someone's belief they would consider a lie...

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

Well uh. Weird to me that someone's belief they would consider a lie...

God Bless,
Taken

and it has to be one way or the other, right, there is no possible middle area wherein a belief might just be a belief any more, a theory subject to updating as more knowledge is comprehended, etc

 

[Taken]

and it has to be one way or the other, right, there is no possible middle area wherein a belief might just be a belief any more, a theory subject to updating as more knowledge is comprehended, etc

Speaking of Scripture...it is simple...
Believe it or not.

Speaking of theories of men...it is simple... Ideas, and trials of trying to accomplish their Ideas.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Episkopos]

and it has to be one way or the other, right, there is no possible middle area wherein a belief might just be a belief any more, a theory subject to updating as more knowledge is comprehended, etc

Faith is not the same as belief. Faith has power to do miraculous things. Whereas belief is a mere opinion...albeit religious and stubbornly held to. The Islamic extremists are an example of a tenacious religious belief...that many Christians also adopt....but only according to a different dogmatic system.

We are living in a time of opinion.

Laodicea means "the people's opinions (or judgments)"

 

[bbyrd009]

Speaking of Scripture...it is simple...
Believe it or not.

Speaking of theories of men...it is simple... Ideas, and trials of trying to accomplish their Ideas.

God Bless,
Taken

can't tell if that is a yes or a no yet, sorry

 

[bbyrd009]

Whereas belief is a mere opinion

might be better if you and Taken engage here, this seems to be a sort of sticking point i guess

 

[Taken]

can't tell if that is a yes or a no yet, sorry

You want a yes or no...

Concerning Scripture, I believe it is all Truth.

Concerning other things....I am more discriminating... concerning what I believe...
I know what vegetables I like and ones I hate.
Same with clothing, music, vehicles, furniture, etc.

Ideas, theories, stats, medicines, advertisements, politicians jargon, etc. ...
I scrutinize and already know the bottom line is about something I have to transfer to another for their benefit....and they have all the flowery enticing words to hopefully achieve their intent.

Just sayin, I don't jump on every bandwagon that comes rolling along...So that would be my Truth.

God Bless,
Taken