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[Prayer Warrior]

Sure it can . . .

Acts 9:31 talks about how the Early Church grew throughout the region. The language used here describes the Catholic Church:

“Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee, and Samaria experienced peace and thus was strengthened. Living in the fear of the Lord and in the encouragement of the Holy Spirit, the church increased in numbers.”

According to Strong’s Greek Concordance – the verse is translated as:
“The true Church throughout all Judea . . .”

Here is the phrase in Greek:
η μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ ολης της ιουδαιας

The Catholic Church gets its name from the GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal” - εκκλησια καθ ολης, which is pronounced “ekklesia katah-holos”.

Εκκλησια (ekklesia) - A gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly; CHURCH
Καθ (katah) - Through out, according to
Ολης (holos) - All, whole, completely
"Ekklesia Kata-holos" = CATHOLIC CHURCH.

- Jesus gave the Church supreme Authority on earth and whatever it ordains on earth is also ordained in heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15).
- He gave Peter the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven and Supreme Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, John 21:19-25).
- He gave the leaders of His Church the power to forgive sins in His name (John 20:21-23).
- Jesus instituted the Eucharist and claimed over and over again that it was His actual Body and Blood (John 6:25-69).
- The Office of Bishop is a SUCCESSIVE office (Acts 1:20).

Gee, I've only scratched the surface - but it sounds REALLY Catholic to me . . .

Woe, BoL, you think that because the original Greek term means catholic, Luke (the writer of Acts) was talking about the Catholic denomination? And you're still insisting that Jesus Christ gave mere mortals supreme authority.... You're aware that there are other interpretations of the scriptures you listed, right?

Here's another version of these scriptures that sheds some light on their true meaning. This is the from Amplified Bible and shows shades of meaning according the original Greek.

15 He said to them, But who do you [yourselves] say that I am?
16 Simon Peter replied, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 Then Jesus answered him, Blessed (happy, fortunate, andto be envied) are you, Simon Bar-Jonah. For flesh and blood [men] have not revealed this to you, but My Father Who is in heaven.
18 And I tell you, you are Peter [Greek, Petros—a large piece of rock], and on this rock [Greek, petra—a huge rock like Gibraltar] I will build My church, and the gates of Hades (the powers of the infernal region) shall not overpower it [or be strong to its detriment or hold out against it].
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind (declare to be improper and unlawful) on earth must be what is already bound in heaven; and whatever you loose (declare lawful) on earth must be what is already loosed in heaven.

Edit: This goes along with the "Lord's Prayer" in Matthew 6:7-13.

7 And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking.
8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.
9 Pray, therefore, like this: Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed (kept holy) be Your name.
10 Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
12 Give us this day our daily bread.
11 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven (left, remitted, and let go of the debts, and havegiven up resentment against) our debtors.
13 And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

Clearly, we are to pray that HIS will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. We pray in accordance with HIS supreme authority--HIS will!

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[CoreIssue]

But the OFFICE is taught.
NONE of what I listed is taught - not even implicitly.

No Pope even hinted at in the Bible.

Is The Church Built on “Petros” or “Petra”

 

[Marymog]

.Are you BoL's alter ego? You both seem to love bold print!

Lol.....I am my own woman and I am a common woman. Use of bold is common and acceptable when writing. Here are some guidelines in using it.

Uses of Bold Type in Text - Fonts.com

How Do You Use Bold Type Effectively?

Bold Type | Writing | EnglishClub

I guess if one can't defeat the message, go after the messenger? Is that what you are doing?

Mary

 

[LC627]

@BreadOfLife

No - I was on the DMV website TRYING to re-register my license - and it's NOT working . . .
As for your question - it's just so random - I can't help but think it's a trap.

What is the point of the question? Why the secrecy?

LOL if people on here aren't making you mad enough just go to the DMV if only the DMV was infallible

 

[LC627]

I may be misunderstanding you here. If so, can you please clarify. I don't see anywhere that @BreadOfLife said or even suggested "it's by faith alone." He asked a simple question (that still goes unanswered).

Can you show me where @BreadOfLife said salvation is by faith alone??

Curious Mary

He made mention that salvation is not by works.

 

[farouk]

He made mention that salvation is not by works.

Ephesians 2.9.

 

[LC627]

No - I was on the DMV website TRYING to re-register my license - and it's NOT working . . .
As for your question - it's just so random - I can't help but think it's a trap.

What is the point of the question? Why the secrecy?

One doesn't have to worry about traps if they're preaching the truth.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I thought so. It certainly seems like the Catholic Church teaches this.

What are you talking about??
I already explained this to you THREE TIMES.

Why are you being so dishonet??

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Lol.....I am my own woman and I am a common woman. Use of bold is common and acceptable when writing. Here are some guidelines in using it.

Uses of Bold Type in Text - Fonts.com

How Do You Use Bold Type Effectively?

Bold Type | Writing | EnglishClub

I guess if one can't defeat the message, go after the messenger? Is that what you are doing?

Mary

I don't have a problem with using bold; I use it myself. But to say that you're your own woman??? If you're a member of the Catholic Church, you're not your own person. You agree with Catholic dogma, or you cannot be in good standing with the Catholic Church. Here's an example of Catholic dogma with which you MUST agree.

Immaculate conception: "The Immaculate Conception means that Mary, whose conception was brought about the normal way, was conceived without original sin or its stain—that’s what "immaculate" means: without stain." (from Catholic.com)

Edit: Here's another quote, this one from Catholic.org (Catholic Encyclopedia)

In the Constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 8 December, 1854, Pius IX pronounced and defined that the Blessed Virgin Mary"in the first instance of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of the merits of JesusChrist , the Saviour of the human race , was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin."​

The idea that Mary was "preserved exempt from the stain of original sin" is a completely unbiblical idea. Consider what the apostle Paul said in the following verses:

Romans 3:21-24--
But now, apart from the law, God’s righteousness has been revealed — attested by the Law and the Prophets — that is, God’s righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ, to all who believe, since there is no distinction. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. They are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

I don't see Paul making any exception here, not even for Mary, who was conceived of man's seed (i.e. she had a human father)! Jesus Christ was NOT conceived of man's seed, but of the Holy Spirit; therefore, He was born without original sin.

This is just one of many doctrines the Catholic Church teaches that is unbiblical! There are many more.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

What are you talking about??
I already explained this to you THREE TIMES.

Why are you being so dishonet??

Would you please refrain from implying that I'm a liar because I believe differently than you do? This is NOT charitable on your part!

 

[Prayer Warrior]

No Pope even hinted at in the Bible.

Is The Church Built on “Petros” or “Petra”

Thanks for posting the link to this article. It's very scholarly. Anyone who has any confusion about this issue should check it out.

Edit: Here's a portion of the article.

The Roman Catholic Church claims that Peter was the first pope, the successor of Christ. They say he is therefore Christ's vicar and the visible and infallible head of the church, having power and authority over all the other apostles and the entire church. Catholic leaders also claim that Christ built His church upon Peter and gave him the keys to unlock and close the kingdom of heaven and hell to anyone as he chose. They assert that the popes in past history up to the present are Peter's successors, and have the same power of the keys.​

These far‑reaching claims are based on the verses found in Matthew 16:18-19. Let us make a careful and critical examination of these verses and see what Jesus said and what He actually meant. Here is the text: "Thou art Peter, and upon this Rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."​

The New Testament was originally written in the Greek, from which the Latin, English, and other versions were translated. If you study the Greek text you will find that the word Peter and the word Rock on which Christ was to build His church are two separate and distinct words, each having a different meaning. The word Peter in Greek is petros, which means "a piece of rock; a stone; a single stone; movable, insecure, shifting, or rolling." The word rock is petra, which means "a rock; a cliff; a projecting rock; mother rock; huge mass; solid formation; fixed; immovable; enduring."
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Considering that Jesus spoke the words in the above verses knowing that Peter was about to deny Him 3 times, it's fitting that the word for movable, rolling, or shifting rock was used! I guess you could call Peter the first rolling stone.

 

[Marymog]

He made mention that salvation is not by works.

So the question still remains: Can you show me where @BreadOfLife said salvation is by faith alone??

He probably means by works alone.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

I don't have a problem with using bold; I use it myself...

OK.....then why did you bring it up?

Mary

 

[farouk]

Thanks for posting the link to this article. It's very scholarly. Anyone who has any confusion about this issue should check it out.

Edit: Here's a portion of the article.

The Roman Catholic Church claims that Peter was the first pope, the successor of Christ. They say he is therefore Christ's vicar and the visible and infallible head of the church, having power and authority over all the other apostles and the entire church. Catholic leaders also claim that Christ built His church upon Peter and gave him the keys to unlock and close the kingdom of heaven and hell to anyone as he chose. They assert that the popes in past history up to the present are Peter's successors, and have the same power of the keys.​

These far‑reaching claims are based on the verses found in Matthew 16:18-19. Let us make a careful and critical examination of these verses and see what Jesus said and what He actually meant. Here is the text: "Thou art Peter, and upon this Rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."​

The New Testament was originally written in the Greek, from which the Latin, English, and other versions were translated. If you study the Greek text you will find that the word Peter and the word Rock on which Christ was to build His church are two separate and distinct words, each having a different meaning. The word Peter in Greek is petros, which means "a piece of rock; a stone; a single stone; movable, insecure, shifting, or rolling." The word rock is petra, which means "a rock; a cliff; a projecting rock; mother rock; huge mass; solid formation; fixed; immovable; enduring."
​

Considering that Jesus spoke the words in the above verses knowing that Peter was about to deny Him 3 times, it's fitting that the Greek word for movable, rolling, or shifting rock was used! I guess you could call Peter the first rolling stone.

Good to stay Scriptural, right?

PS: I've not hear of Peter being compared to Mick Jagger's group before!

 

[Prayer Warrior]

OK.....then why did you bring it up?

Mary

Because I thought that maybe you and BoL are the same person even though posting under 2 different names is against TOS.

 

[farouk]

Woe, BoL, you think that because the original Greek used the term catholic, Luke (the writer of Acts) was talking about the Catholic denomination?

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This would an historically untenable claim.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Funny - I keep hearing the charges of "false Church" and "false doctrine" - nut NONE of you anti-Catholics has been able to elaborate.
WHY is that??

Because you refuse to listen...

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Another cowardly anti-Catholic attack that failed to elaborate.
What a surprise . . .

What are you guys so afraid of?

Certainly not you.
The boogey man maybe, but not you.....

 

[Marymog]

But to say that you're your own woman??? If you're a member of the Catholic Church, you're not your own person. You agree with Catholic dogma, or you cannot be in good standing with the Catholic Church.

You agree with the dogma of the men of the Protestant churches (or maybe you created it yourself in your own head) but I can't agree with Catholic dogma?

Mary

 

[Frank Lee]

Funny - I keep hearing the charges of "false Church" and "false doctrine" - nut NONE of you anti-Catholics has been able to elaborate.
WHY is that??

No repercussions, harsh replies or accusations. But tell me. Who are you defending? Your denomination or Jesus?

You are more interested in defending Catholicism than in standing for the pure word of God, unleavened by the introduction of strange and unbiblical, ungodly doctrines.

Please do not tell me they are one and the same.

ALL denominations are MEN'S creations - and NOT God's.

This includes them ALL.

Ask yourself, forgetting me or others, who do you represent? Jesus or your man created sect? This is a question for EVERY Christian by the way.