Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

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mjrhealth

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To say Jesus is equal to God has an overwhelming number of contradiction problems. I go with the least contradictory interpretation. There is no such thing as a Trinity. Triads of Gods existed in several cultures. The Babylonians, Sumerians, Hindu's and others had triads of Gods. Christianity just followed suit!

Trinity is a doctrine devised by the Catholic's in the 3-4th century that the Protestants adopted.
It's actually one of the most divisive doctrines in this debacled religion.

Im not here proving any trinity, i just know that there is God, there is Christ, whom is His word come in the flesh, and there is His spirit that appeared as a dove at His baptizm. I know there is God ,because I have seeing Him, I know there is Christ because He has shown Himself to me, I also know the Holy Spirit whom I have being with but not seeing ,just as I know the devil whom I have seeing. That makes still only one God who has a Son Jesus Christ and His Spirit, His seed that is given to those whom believe. Yes mens religions are filled with BS but they will answer for it all in His time.
 
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That's just not true.

Everybody likes to believe they have the truth. If we say we have all the truth we deceive ourselves. Nobody and no church has all the truth. There are damnable and un-damnable heresies, and very few damnable ones. The Trinity doctrine is incomprehensible, inexplicable, and incoherent making the Trinity doctrine unnecessary for salvation. I've never accepted it and never will accept it.
No trinity = wrong Christ. It's that simple. What's so hard about the trinity?

“And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3:16–17) (KJV 1900)
 

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No trinity = wrong Christ. It's that simple. What's so hard about the trinity?

“And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3:16–17) (KJV 1900)
I say trinity = wrong Christ. Did you catch what I said earlier? The trinity teaches that all three are co-equal. If that's the case, can you explain why Jesus said in Mathew 12:41....

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. Better yet...

And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

That verse debunks a Trinity because blasphemy against one would be blasphemy against the other.

I believe in the deity of Christ. I just don't accept the trinity doctrine.
 
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I say trinity = wrong Christ. Did you catch what I said earlier? The trinity teaches that all three are co-equal. If that's the case, can you explain why Jesus said in Mathew 12:41....

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

That verse debunks a Trinity because blasphemy against one would be blasphemy against the other.

I believe in the deity of Christ. I just don't accept the trinity doctrine.
How do explain Jesus' baptism where the three persons of the Godhead are presented clear as day?
 

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Indeed they are. So why go beyond what is revealed and turn them all into one indivisible God?
It's a way to explain God. The trinity isn't an evil doctrine i don't think. It at least places Christ co equal with God instead of not magnifying Him. If anything, i think I am hearing a lessening of Him from those who don't like the trinity doctrine than from those who do...
 
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Just that we have the three persons of the Godhead clearly revealed at Jesus' baptism.
Three persons? The holy spirit is not ONE person but many persons. The holy spirit emanates from the Throne of God and is the seven spirits of God. Why doesn't 'he' have a name? Why is this 'third person' NOT found in or around the Throne of God? Why is the holy spirit called, the power of the highest?

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

But you shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come on you: and you shall be witnesses to me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and to the uttermost part of the earth.

How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that you may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about to Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

Besides that the word, "Godhead" is a KJV mis-translation.
 
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Three persons? The holy spirit is not ONE person but many persons. The holy spirit emanates from the Throne of God and is the seven spirits of God. Why doesn't 'he' have a name? Why is this 'third person' NOT found in or around the Throne of God? Why is the holy spirit called, the power of the highest?

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

But you shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come on you: and you shall be witnesses to me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and to the uttermost part of the earth.

How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that you may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about to Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

Besides that the word, "Godhead" is a KJV mis-translation.
We still cannot overcome the presence of the three distinct persons of the Godhead being present at Jesus' baptism now can we?
 

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Addressing the OP only,
I'm going to leave the Holy Spirit out of this one (as a subject matter--:eek:). It is clear that He is a member of the Godhead.
the One you left out is the Only one in the Godhead.

but I'll address this topic after church today.
 

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That is only because if I need to explain how rotten religion is you and our SDA friends are prime examples of the abomination men have created, this little part, which may well be , according to your won words, well above your own understanding..

Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

and again

Act 7:47 But Solomon built him an house.
Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Act 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?
Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.


such is teh religious.
According to your theory the Catholic and SDA’s teaching are both rotten.

What about people like you who are a church of one? What I mean by a “church of one” is you don’t attend a church, you sit typing on your computer telling everyone else when they are wrong about scripture and (miss)quote scripture to back up your beliefs.

Are there any people like you that are “rotten”? There are millions of you so there must be at least one or two.....maybe three????

Is it possible you and your ilk are the ones of which “scripture has interpreted itself”???

Curious Mary
 

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We still cannot overcome the presence of the three distinct persons of the Godhead being present at Jesus' baptism now can we?
Ok, maybe a crazy question, but if they all three make their abode with me where does that place me. I do believe they are coequal!
 

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We still cannot overcome the presence of the three distinct persons of the Godhead being present at Jesus' baptism now can we?
No. There aren't three distinct persons present at Jesus' baptism. The holy spirit has no name. Jesus is there, the Father is there, the holy spirit is there but that means there's an angelic host present. NOT one single nameless person. The three being there doesn't represent co-equality. Where is it said the holy spirit is ONE separate, co-equal person?
 

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Some do not have the gift of the Holy Ghost.
That's a typical cop out. Pentecostal's and the typical Christian build themselves up by putting others down. Even if you're not a Pentecostal, that doesn't work.

That also means that nobody has the Holy Spirit since Christians can't agree on anything.
 
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That's a typical cop out. Pentecostal's and the typical Christian build themselves up by putting others down. Even if you're not a Pentecostal, that doesn't work.

That also means that nobody has the Holy Spirit since Christians can't agree on anything.

It's possible to be born with the Spirit and disagree, so that doesn't make sense to me...Paul opposed another disciple when Jewish believers showed up and he wouldn't eat with the others in front of them. So they did not always agree. I think they came to agreement eventually but...its like, I have the Spirit, So does Helen, so does epi, but we don't agree on every single thing. We talk amongst ourselves and we come closer, or at the least we...love and bear with one another and don't take offense or cause offense and the love He's shed in our hearts rules over different understandings. Or at least that's the best explanation I can come up with for how we manage to be peaceable with one another...
 
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