Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

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Yes, that is correct. And what I believe in is the biblical doctrine of the Trinity; because some of the creeds are slightly off.

If you get your understanding of the Trinity from the Bible rather than the creeds then I think that you will eventually see, know, understand, and believe my pov.
The creeds match the scripture entirely in the deity of Christ and the trinity. The simple presence of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at Jesus' baptism shows your assessment is flawed. You need to start there, and make adjustments accordingly.
 

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the trinity doctrine deviate from the biblical doctrine of God is ONE PERSON, shared in flesh and bone, and not three separate person, which the apostles and disciple was taught.
Can you make your statement a little bit clearer please.
 

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The creeds match the scripture entirely in the deity of Christ and the trinity. The simple presence of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at Jesus' baptism shows your assessment is flawed. You need to start there, and make adjustments accordingly.
The occurrence at Jesus' baptism in no way contradicts what I believe about the Godhead.
 
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the trinity doctrine deviate from the biblical doctrine of God is ONE PERSON, shared in flesh and bone, and not three separate person, which the apostles and disciple was taught.
But the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are each persons in scripture who speak and act independently of each other at the same time.
 

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The three persons of God have different roles but one common truth. If you think of God materialistically, you'll never understand the trinity.
They are all as one just as a flock of birds all fly as one unit or a school of fish keep together, just a some day we will be like Him, but we wont be God.
 

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Not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this.
First Earthly. spirit, water, and blood are IDENTIFERS for a man. who is made up of 90% water, who have a spirit, and have blood. other words a person. question is water a person?, is blood a person?, and are they separate?. spirit, water, blood is a PERSON, man here on earth.


now heavenly, "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one".
the first clue here is "These" three are ONE. why the scriptures NOT say "They" three are ONE?, "THEY" would Indicate persons. no, "These" indicate titles of the same ONE person.

hope that helped.

So three titles are bearing witness?
 

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I have my reasons for believing this. I do not want to even mention what is the abject heresy that I have found to be inherent in the NIV and NASB (and I have not looked at other versions to see if it is in them also); because if I even mention it, someone might be stumbled by it to the extent that their faith might be destroyed. For it almost destroyed my faith. If I had not had the gift of tongues so that I could keep myself in the love of God, I very likely would have fallen away from Christ because of the heresy in question. And therefore I strongly warn people to stay away from the NIV and NASB.



Some of the newer translations are based on completely different manuscripts than is the kjv, in case you didn't know this. So, really, the choice is not between the kjv and the NASB or NIV, but between the Textus Receptus (inspired and inerrant) on which the kjv is based, and other manuscripts (which are watered down and corrupted).

The Textus Receptus and/or the Majority Text is one of the most corrupted text out there.
 

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on Father, who is the REAL Father.
Hebrews 10:5 "Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

who said this?
Psalms 40:6 "Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

Psalms 40:7 "Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me"

this is JESUS,
Luke 24:44 "And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

so we see JESUS in the OLD TESTAMENT, Spirit, the Holy Spirit, before his flesh. it was JESUS who prepared his own body.

let's see it clearly,
Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

the one who conceives a child is the "FATHER".
 
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yes, the three titles that belong to the same ONE person who is diversified in flesh ... YES.

"three that bear witness" I see persons as bearing witness, but not titles. As in 'me, myself and I' disagree with what you say. Just sounds odd to me. I guess we just read this differently?

Is your viewpoint modalism?

I see one being, three persons.
 
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They are all as one just as a flock of birds all fly as one unit or a school of fish keep together, just a some day we will be like Him, but we wont be God.
God is One Spirit and indivisible. You are thinking of him materialistically as you do birds or any other species.
 

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"three that bear witness" I see persons as bearing witness, but not titles. As in 'me, myself and I' disagree with what you say. Just sounds odd to me. I guess we just read this differently?

Is your viewpoint modalism?

I see one being, three persons.
Error, Water is not a witness, nor blood, or spirit, but water, and blood, and spirit is a, a, a, ONE man who is witness, and the title Word, Father, and Spirit is the ONE PERSON JESUS

well as I always say, take the Test, is this two separate persons or ONE PERSON,
John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself"


ok Blueberry, is this the same person or TWO separate person(s)? your answer.
 

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Error, Water is not a witness, nor blood, or spirit, but water, and blood, and spirit is a, a, a, ONE man who is witness, and the title Word, Father, and Spirit is the ONE PERSON JESUS

well as I always say, take the Test, is this two separate persons or ONE PERSON,
John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself"


ok Blueberry, is this the same person or TWO separate person(s)? your answer.

One Being.
 
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God is One Spirit and indivisible. You are thinking of him materialistically as you do birds or any other species.
No, but you would not understand, you speak of spiritual things than you deny Gods voice, you deny His Spirit you deny even Christ, because it is you who says, you cannot hear them , it is not Gods doing, but your unbelief.

Luk_9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

Rev_3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

but you dont listen...
 
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No, but you would not understand, you speak of spiritual things than you deny Gods voice, you deny His Spirit you deny even Christ, because it is you who says, you cannot hear them , it is not Gods doing, but your unbelief.

Luk_9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

Rev_3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

but you dont listen...
We still had three persons called God present at Jesus' baptism. Each of the one spiritual essence called God.