LEGAL NAMES & Impersonation

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Even in New Testament times, there were so many Marys and Jesuses around that they had to be given extra identifiers - this is why Jesus is so often referred to in the Gospels as "Jesus of Nazareth", and why we have "Mary the mother of Jesus" and "Mary Magdalene". Eventually these evolved into surnames. What's so terrible about having a surname? It's only to reduce confusion!

And as for the titles "Mr", "Mrs" and "Dr", that's just politeness in our culture when addressing someone you don't know very well. That's why your friends and family don't use them!

So basically your priorities for personating a legal name is because 1. you would otherwise feel confused and 2. because it is polite in your culture to do so?
 

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You know my family and friends?

I called Paul a liar (and all those who involve themselves in his lie). Groupthink members who have been given clearance to tame this kind of individual thought, to use specific argumentative strategies to create the illusion of hostility. When you know what to look for it is very funny to watch.
I had to be told (slow learner).
'Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,
to the saints which are at Ephesus,
and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
Grace be to you, and peace,
from God our Father,
and from the Lord Jesus Christ.'

(Eph 1:1-2)

Hello @Danube,

Thank you for responding.
As Paul was chosen by God to be an Apostle of Christ Jesus the risen Lord, that is indeed a serious matter: to have cast doubt upon his truthfulness. For as an Apostle (a sent one), he transmitted the words of the risen Christ by the spoken word and by writing. To accuse him is to accuse the One Who sent Him.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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'Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,
to the saints which are at Ephesus,
and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
Grace be to you, and peace,
from God our Father,
and from the Lord Jesus Christ.'

(Eph 1:1-2)

Hello @Danube,

Thank you for responding.
As Paul was chosen by God to be an Apostle of Christ Jesus the risen Lord, that is indeed a serious matter: to have cast doubt upon his truthfulness. For as an Apostle (a sent one), he transmitted the words of the risen Christ by the spoken word and by writing. To accuse him is to accuse the One Who sent Him.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

I TOTALLY AGREE.....on condition you can prove to me that Paul met JESUS, using the criteria expressed by JESUS outlining considerations of bonafide witness testimony and how JESUS told us he would make himself known to ALL the apostles.
I add the warning also of a "false apostle" mentioned between Pauls alleged ministry and the penning of the book of revelation.
You started by firing the gun off.."As Paul was chosen by God to be an Apostle of Christ Jesus"... You need to prove that part before we can properly move onto the next part...
Most are reluctant to do so!
I would ask you politely to continue should you wish too, to the correct thread I started which is relevent to that topic in hand :) ...

Do you use a "legal name"?
If so is it purely to obtain financial securities?
 
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You know my family and friends?

No, but you gave us this information:

"My mum and dad named me.

Neither have ever addressed me as MR ADAM SMITH (all in black capitals) so why do all corporations?"

So basically your priorities for personating a legal name is because 1. you would otherwise feel confused and 2. because it is polite in your culture to do so?

"Priority" and "personate" (do you mean impersonate?) are very odd words to use. I don't "personate" a "legal" name; I have a "full" name that consists of two 'given' names and a surname. My friends only need to use the first of my given names (and they shorten it); my daughter doesn't use my name at all! (She calls me 'Mum') It's not me who would feel confused by the lack of a surname but various government and other organisations (who have to deal with countless thousands of people) who would actually get confused if none of us had surnames! Surnames have been around for hundreds of years, so we're used to them; what's the big deal?

Similarly with titles. They are pure convention, and only used in formal situations. There's no reason to use them other than custom and politeness, and no good reason not to use them either. Interestingly, our society (in the UK) seems to be getting less formal, and even strangers tend to use first names in correspondence now rather than "Mr Smith" (especially in emails). But some older people find this abrupt, or even rude.
 

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I TOTALLY AGREE.....on condition you can prove to me that Paul met JESUS, using the criteria expressed by JESUS outlining considerations of bonafide witness testimony and how JESUS told us he would make himself known to ALL the apostles.
I add the warning also of a "false apostle" mentioned between Pauls alleged ministry and the penning of the book of revelation.
You started by firing the gun off.."As Paul was chosen by God to be an Apostle of Christ Jesus"... You need to prove that part before we can properly move onto the next part...
Most are reluctant to do so!
I would ask you politely to continue should you wish too, to the correct thread I started which is relevent to that topic in hand :) ...

Do you use a "legal name"?
If so is it purely to obtain financial securities?

Hello @Danube,

There was no, 'gun', fired, not even 'friendly fire', o_O, but I thank you for your response.
I would have thought that the verse I quoted at the head of my entry, would be sufficient proof of the validity of Paul's Apostleship, 'An Apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God' (Eph. 1:1/Rom.1:1). For Apostleship to be instituted by 'the will of God' it has to give the maximum authority to the one so honoured.

Also, regarding Paul's meeting with the risen Lord, he did so on the road to Damascus, as Paul relates in Acts 26:15-16, where the Lord tells him that He would be appearing to Him again.

'And I said, "Who art thou, Lord?"
And He said, "I am Jesus whom thou persecutest."
But rise, and stand upon thy feet:
for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose,

to make thee a minister
and a witness

both of these things which thou hast seen,
and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;'

I don't forsee me joining you in your thread on this subject, at the moment, but thank you for the invitation.

With my thanks.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

PS: Forgive me for this diversion to the main subject of the thread.
 

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As Paul was chosen by God to be an Apostle of Christ Jesus

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No, but you gave us this information:

"My mum and dad named me.

Neither have ever addressed me as MR ADAM SMITH (all in black capitals) so why do all corporations?"



"Priority" and "personate" (do you mean impersonate?) are very odd words to use. I don't "personate" a "legal" name; I have a "full" name that consists of two 'given' names and a surname. My friends only need to use the first of my given names (and they shorten it); my daughter doesn't use my name at all! (She calls me 'Mum') It's not me who would feel confused by the lack of a surname but various government and other organisations (who have to deal with countless thousands of people) who would actually get confused if none of us had surnames! Surnames have been around for hundreds of years, so we're used to them; what's the big deal?

Similarly with titles. They are pure convention, and only used in formal situations. There's no reason to use them other than custom and politeness, and no good reason not to use them either. Interestingly, our society (in the UK) seems to be getting less formal, and even strangers tend to use first names in correspondence now rather than "Mr Smith" (especially in emails). But some older people find this abrupt, or even rude.
Yes you have a pooint. Can I say sorry and start over again?
Hi I am Danube.
 

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Not sure what the Bible really says about addressing people by their legal name but I do know that Jesus changed the names of some of his disciples as a way of portraying their new identity..... Abram Saul (means destroyer) became Paul (means small or little)…Simon became Peter....not going to do all the name changes but they always had significance.
We will receive a new name as well...
Finally, there is a name change for all believers: God says, "To the one who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, with a new name written on the stone that no one knows except the one who receives it" (Revelation 2:17). When we reach heaven, God will also change our names. Perhaps it will represent our own changed identity as we transition from sinful to holy.
So a name is very important to God in identifying the purpose of the individual.
Jesus....or in original text Yeshua means savior or salvation but he had many other names as well.
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And each name was significant.
 

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Not sure what the Bible really says about addressing people by their legal name but I do know that Jesus changed the names of some of his disciples as a way of portraying their new identity..... Abram Saul (means destroyer) became Paul (means small or little)…Simon became Peter....not going to do all the name changes but they always had significance.
We will receive a new name as well...
Finally, there is a name change for all believers: God says, "To the one who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, with a new name written on the stone that no one knows except the one who receives it" (Revelation 2:17). When we reach heaven, God will also change our names. Perhaps it will represent our own changed identity as we transition from sinful to holy.
So a name is very important to God in identifying the purpose of the individual.
Jesus....or in original text Yeshua means savior or salvation but he had many other names as well.
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And each name was significant.
Such glorious titles!
 

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I think it all has to do with getring mail to people. I don't know what people did before last names and surnames. I don't think there will be Mr, Miss, or Mrs. In Heaven, because there is no marriage. Lol. And I don't know if there will be juniors or seniors. Lol. He will tell us what our name is. He calls us children of God as believers. Righteous and holy. New creations. What really matters is calling on Jesus name.
It will be such a different order of things in heaven...
 
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Yes. A singular name (no surnames).

The disciples ever once address eachother as MR ?

No of course not.

Why are we expected to use the title and a surname (MR ADAM SMITH) ?

My mum and dad named me.

Neither have ever addressed me as MR ADAM SMITH (all in black capitals) so why do all corporations?

Man doesnt even give his pets a surname or a BirthCertificate so what would the purpose for doing so be?
I'm sorry, but I simply cannot grasp what your thread is about. Do we...care...about pre-fixes?
Aren't prefixes something that were used, intially, as titles of respect? Master..., Miss..., Lady....we've abbreviated them now, of course and they don't have that same formality anymore.
And names...again, what difference does it make if the disciples were not known by their last names? Long ago "last names" were more about family idenification, for example 'James'' son Doug, would be know as Doug Jameson (son of James).
And names in general...I guess are for identification purposes, self idenification and group identification. And clearly our parents name us, rather than calling us "child" forever. There would be many 'childs' then in the world, and things would be confusing.

So...what does any of this have to do with anything? Is this a rant against corporations? That's a bit odd on a Christian forum. You might need to get a bit more specific with what you mean...


Your husband is correct.
When the elites need organ transplants they would need a map of all possible matches by blood and age and sex and health. This would only be possible by data basing huge numbers of people electronically using a computerized retrieval system.
They need a name to achieve this as it relies on data entry criteria. People have been willing to become databased for years already, silent tacit consent to be governed.
Gods creations are being encouraged to "act" upon the demands made to the "legal name" first though, which requires consent.

This is why I ask if it is mandated in the bible, do these marked comminications come carrying the good news of the gospel or is it all for future control that requires use of a "legal name".

Is it conceited to attach ourselves to a namesake that is only for self gain?

Man needs love and a family, food water and shelter & clothes, however the legal name offers benefits, privileges, access to the world financial system and makes its own demands..

Oh...never mind. Right. Well. I think you are barking up the wrong conspiracy tree.
Do I think that companies use our details for their own good...sure. Leeches use our blood for their own good too, but it doesn't make our blood the bad thing.
Our names, first and last, as they stand now, are not "legal names" that bind us to nasty corporations and governments. They are our family history. They are our clan and our identity.
Family trees...look 'em up. They're fascinating and deep. I think if our culture would take the time to look back just a little more, rather than navel gazing, we might not be in such a state...
 

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LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD.

You are required to use a legal name to have a house, land, car, buy food without cash! Medical care.... All requires a legal name that is NOT the same as how people of familiarity would address you. These legal names are matched with numerical codes ID numbers, much like the farmer marks his cattle, satan wants you to join his deceptive lifestyle, using the name, which is of this world, this kingdom.
It is no conspiracy, it is a fact you will be made to wrestle with over the next 8 years if you are non commital as of now. They want to make you choose a charachter which you will have to live as.
 
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The point being...Danube has shown by his many posts that he is not a christian believer. Yet he lied when he became a member so that he could post on the "Christian Only" boards. When we register we have to check our religion , and thoxxe not Christians must check "Other". He did not )

He is not the first and he wont be the last. Now he's talking about what name a person uses...blah blah blah...

He is only here to 'rattle cages'.

Bless you...Helen
I see what you mean.
 

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Watch the wolf play scrabble without her dictionary.

That meaning is self evident says wolfie.

Yes that is correct.
If you first limit someones choice by what is being offered, redefine the option once it has been chosen, you can simply call them a liar for choosing that option.

The classic Paulinist "heads I win tales you lose" option.

So so predictable. Like the amount of titanium dioxide inside it's skin.

Watch out for her triple word scoring...
She claims grace but gives none.

Pray for The BLOOD of STEPHEN which can be seen on her paws also.
 
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How could that possibly be the name of a person when it belongs to a river?

So you don't claim to be Enoch either!
Congratulations.
Who should they address your BC, passport, drivers lie-sense, utility bills, title deeds for property, written financial contracts, wills and probate, medical appointments and plastic cards to then?
Is Enoch111 a fictional name? Are you trying to tell me you are NOT responsible for your choice to name yourself an alias?
 
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LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD.

You are required to use a legal name to have a house, land, car, buy food without cash! Medical care.... All requires a legal name that is NOT the same as how people of familiarity would address you.

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They want to make you choose a charachter which you will have to live as.

Ah, but government agencies, hospitals, banks and internet sites are not "people of familiarity", are they? That's why they need to use our full names!

Did you choose your own surname? Not many people do. We receive it from our parents or (if married) from our spouse. No-one forces me to change my full name. Nobody ever forced me to get a full name in the first place - I had my surname from the moment I was born, possibly even before my parents 'named' me!
 

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Ah, but government agencies, hospitals, banks and internet sites are not "people of familiarity", are they? That's why they need to use our full names!

Did you choose your own surname? Not many people do. We receive it from our parents or (if married) from our spouse. No-one forces me to change my full name. Nobody ever forced me to get a full name in the first place - I had my surname from the moment I was born, possibly even before my parents 'named' me!
No. I only have one true identity and it cannot be called by a bank manager or someone needing a surname sitting in a callcentre somewhere....or by making financial demands to a legal name and required to "act" upon.

My surname is ONLY required for databasing. It bears no relation to anything other than to be registered, databased, collected, fined, taxed.... It is a form of perpetual census (satans government sense-us).

What I AM saying is YOU cannot get very far in this LIFE in this kingdom (earthly) without personation. Which is acting, which is pretending which is deceitful.

If I plant crops I can harvest too, If I want to buy someone elses crops because I am landless then I need to enter into commerce, which requires an agreement for the terms of engagement, barter is with limitations so in modern terms it was the use of cash or used to be a promise to pay the bearer on demand (IOU) but was NEVER a fullfilment of a payment...because of how money is valued.
Modern commerce is dealing with unjust weights which someone here tried to warn also to no avail, but consider your name or how corporations name you.
Very soon another method will be required and that method will require you to be named (digitally).

This can be avoided but the terms of engagement are set so that you can only purchase food or anything upon being identified as in agreement.

If you walked into a bank enough times you might be greeted like a friend or at least to the bank manager who welcomes your punctuality bringing large deposits....but all communications in writing are addressed differently! You even sign an agreement to say you are that entity (legal name game) to be "accountable" that is why it is called an "account" of some sort (how else could they CALL you to account?), so it has nothing to do with the amount of repetition of times spent becoming familiar with someone as it is not family it is business (financial).

Satan always asks for your details first.
Which can be a name a mark a password anything to join you to his world.
 
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What I AM saying is YOU cannot get very far in this LIFE in this kingdom (earthly) without personation. Which is acting, which is pretending which is deceitful.

And how is using one's full name deceitful? I don't understand that at all. It's my surname that I use, not anyone else's. And it's as much a part of me as my first name.
 
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