The Five Points of Calvinism

[Jane_Doe22]

I think every person calling themselves a Christian should be familiar with Calvinism. Since it was the backbone of the Reformation. If you disagree with any of it, at least you now understand what the 5 points are. And can discuss them intelligently with any who might inquire of you.

Why?
And do you likewise earnestly study every other Christian "ism" that you passionately disagree with to discuss it intelligibly with them?

 

[Nancy]

All I will say on this subject is that it put a stumbling block before me in the 90's. Came back to make me "question" my salvation again just a short while ago. I am going to share a good breakdown of the scriptures used by Calvinists as, my gray matter needs allot of rest these days, lol.
Calvinism's Proof Texts Examined

 

[Enoch111]

my gray matter needs allot of rest these days, lol.

Did you know that it is never a good idea to give your grey matter a rest?

 

[Nancy]

This does not refute the 5 points. It only shows a misunderstanding of what they say.

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"It only shows a misunderstanding of what they say."​

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It always comes back to this Dave, eh?​

 

[Nancy]

Did you know that it is never a good idea to give your grey matter a rest?

You goofyball..ahaha...you remind me of one of my brothers...he ALWAYS has comebacks like that

 

[CoreIssue]

The Five Points of Calvinism

David N. Steele & Curtis C. Thomas

The Five Points of Calvinism

Total Depravity

Because of the fall, man is unable of himself to savingly believe the gospel. The sinner is dead, blind, and deaf to the things of God; his heart is deceitful and desperately corrupt. His will is not free, it is in bondage to his evil nature; therefore, he will not--indeed he cannot--choose good over evil in the spiritual realm. Consequently, it takes much more than the Spirit's assistance to bring a sinner to Christ--it takes regeneration by which the Spirit makes the sinner alive and gives him a new nature. Faith is not something man contributes to salvation but is itself a part of God's gift of salvation--it is God's gift to the sinner, not the sinner’s gift to God.

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The Five Points of Calvinism

David N. Steele & Curtis C. Thomas

The Five Points of Calvinism

(John 3:16, Matthew 22:14, Acts 17:29-31, Matthew 23:37-39, John 6:44, Romans 8:28-30, John 1:12-13, John 3:1-8, Ephesians 2:8-10)

Perseverance of the Saints

All who were chosen by God, redeemed by Christ, and given faith by the Spirit are eternally saved. They are kept in faith by the power of Almighty God and thus persevere to the end.

(John 3:16, John 6:35-40, John 6:44, Philippians 1:6, Philippians 2:12-13, Jude 24-25, Ephesians 1:13-14, Romans 8:28-30, Romans 8:35-39)

The law of conscience within us denies this.

God-given ability to reason, think and decide denies this.

Romans 8 denies this.

The Bible says God wants all to be saved, Calvinism denies this.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say irresistible Condemnation.

The Bible says all who stand before the White throne judgment are without excuse. Not having a choice solid excuse.

Calvinism makes us reprogrammed robots. Without free will the outcome is predetermined so

I'm not a Calvinist per se but think the first three points are solidly based on scripture.

there's no point for God to not have just created everybody in either heaven or hell.

This also says Satan was created to rebel.

Calvinism does not have a loving God. Its God is a sadistic puppetmaster.

The rewards the Saints will receive at the wedding supper of the Lamb are jokes. Meaningless jokes.

 

[CoreIssue]

I'm not a Calvinist per se but think the first three points are solidly based on scripture.

If it walks like a Calvinist and talks like a Calvinist, it is a Calvinist.

You are a Calvinist.

 

[Dave L]

If it walks like a Calvinist and talks like a Calvinist, it is a Calvinist.

You are a Calvinist.

I would like the honor but it's not true. I reject much of what Calvin taught. Also his version of the atonement is not what Calvinists today believe. I agree with them and not with him on that matter. Thanks for the compliment but I'm not a Calvinist.

 

[Dave L]

You are judging God but I believe it is in ignorance and therefore not the unpardonable sin.

 

[Dave L]

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"It only shows a misunderstanding of what they say."

It always comes back to this Dave, eh?​

Obviously if you understand scripture along historic Christian guidelines.

 

[Dave L]

Why?
And do you likewise earnestly study every other Christian "ism" that you passionately disagree with to discuss it intelligibly with them?

You have your creeds. Why do you depend on them? Just that Christian Creeds go back to the early church. And yours are only recent by historic standards.

 

[Dave L]

There is absolutely no misunderstanding. Those Scriptures should be sufficient for anyone to renounce Calvinism.

They do not refute anything. They only reflect a misunderstanding of historic Christian doctrine.

 

[Dave L]

Why? How many -isms are we supposed to understand?


Was it really? Wouldn't it be rather to move closer what Jesus was and what He taught?

I read them a few minutes ago, but already I could not tell you what they are. The one thing I remember is that they seem to contain or support the OSAS way of thinking.

This is the problem with denominationalism. You are how old and you just now begin to gain knowledge of some of the pillar doctrines of the Christian Church?

 

[Dave L]

Why?
And do you likewise earnestly study every other Christian "ism" that you passionately disagree with to discuss it intelligibly with them?

Yes. How do you know if what you believe is true unless you study opposing views to see their strengths or weaknesses? I'm non denominational, so I'm not in anybody's hip pocket and am free to believe what I believe.

 

[farouk]

There is absolutely no misunderstanding. Those Scriptures should be sufficient for anyone to renounce Calvinism.

Biblical doctrine does matter — as I'm sure you would agree — and what might seem self-evident to some people with their presuppositions, is not to others.

 

[farouk]

I'm non denominational...

As it happens, I would also describe myself as such.

 

[farouk]

They do not refute anything. They only reflect a misunderstanding of historic Christian doctrine.

I do like William Cunnigham's 'Historical Theology', Banner of Truth. It contains answers to questions about who in history believed what? (I'm not of the same church background as W. Cunningham, though.)

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Yes. How do you know if what you believe is true unless you study opposing views to see their strengths or weaknesses? I'm non denominational, so I'm not in anybody's hip pocket and am free to believe what I believe.

I hear you say this, but I am admittedly very skeptical of what I am hearing.


When was the last time you attended a Catholic church and thoroughly studied Catholicism?
When was the last time you attended a Methodist church and thoroughly studied Methodistism?
When was the last time you attended a Orthodox church and thoroughly studied Orthodoxism?
When was the last time you attended a Mormon church and thoroughly studied Mormonism?
When was the last time you attended a Pentecostal church and thoroughly studied Pentecostalism?
When was the last time you attended a nonCreedal church and thoroughly studied nonCreedalism?

 

[Dave L]

I hear you say this, but I am admittedly very skeptical of what I am hearing.


When was the last time you attended a Catholic church and thoroughly studied Catholicism?
When was the last time you attended a Methodist church and thoroughly studied Methodistism?
When was the last time you attended a Orthodox church and thoroughly studied Orthodoxism?
When was the last time you attended a Mormon church and thoroughly studied Mormonism?
When was the last time you attended a Pentecostal church and thoroughly studied Pentecostalism?
When was the last time you attended a nonCreedal church and thoroughly studied nonCreedalism?

I know people from each persuasion you mention except Mormons. And have spent time discussing and studying their beliefs. And the differences between them and historic Protestantism. I have material on Mormonism and am pretty familiar with your history and claims.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I know people from each persuasion you mention except Mormons. And have spent time discussing and studying their beliefs. And the differences between them and historic Protestantism. I have material on Mormonism and am pretty familiar with your history and claims.

And when was the last time you attended each one of the above churches?