Man has a part in his salvation=things to do, believe and say.

[Jane_Doe22]

Care about "Thus saith the LORD..."

I do care about the Lord. Which is why I study scripture, pray, and try my best to live a Christian life.

But that's not while I'm on this forum. I'm on this forum to fellowship and learn more about what other people believe. Hence my asking you about your beliefs.

 

[farouk]

I do care about the Lord. Which is why I study scripture, pray, and try my best to live a Christian life.

But that's not while I'm on this forum. I'm on this forum to fellowship and learn more about what other people believe. Hence my asking you about your beliefs.

Well, if you follow through the many Scripture references which I have quoted over a long period, you would probably get a gradual picture.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Well, if you follow through the many Scripture references which I have quoted over a long period, you would probably get a gradual picture.

The only person whom can explain to me YOUR beliefs is YOU. Hence why I ask YOU to explain YOUR beliefs.

 

[justbyfaith]

Where does the Bible say every individual is under God's wrath? Where does it say free will is a one-way trip? Where does the Bible say God predestined anyone to hell?

Romans 3:23 and Romans 6:23... Jude 1:4 (kjv).

 

[farouk]

The only person whom can explain to me YOUR beliefs is YOU. Hence why I ask YOU to explain YOUR beliefs.

I'm a nobody. "I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." (Galatians 2.20) I'm going to have to leave it there, I think.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I'm a nobody. "I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." (Galatians 2.20) I'm going to have to leave it there, I think.

@farouk, with all due respect, quoting scripture at me isn't going to help me understand your Calvinist beliefs because I find Calvinism and scripture to be in complete disagreement.

However, rather than just get out a pitchfork and shout "burn those horrible heathens!", I'd operate on the idea that you do love Christ and do have a relationship with Him, and try to better understand you/your beliefs.

 

[farouk]

@farouk, with all due respect, quoting scripture at me isn't going to help me understand your Calvinist beliefs because I find Calvinism and scripture to be in complete disagreement.

However, rather than just get out a pitchfork and shout "burn those horrible heathens!", I'd operate on the idea that you do love Christ and do have a relationship with Him, and try to better understand you/your beliefs.

All I can say is encourage you to go back and re-read the many Bible quotes I have provided.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

All I can say is encourage you to go back and re-read the many Bible quotes I have provided.

I find every quote you posted to be AGAINST Calvinism. Should I then just conclude that you are anti-Biblical?
I'm rather have the opportunity for you to explain your beliefs to me and see how you love Christ and His words.

 

[farouk]

I find every quote you posted to be AGAINST Calvinism. Should I then just conclude that you are anti-Biblical?
I'm rather have the opportunity for you to explain your beliefs to me and see how you love Christ and His words.

Maybe your findings aren't how I read the verses. Anyway, leaving aside the labels, it's the Spirit - not me - Who graciously gives understanding of Scripture.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Maybe your findings aren't how I read the verses. Anyway, leaving aside the labels, it's the Spirit - not me - Who graciously gives understanding of Scripture.

This still leaves me with the "you're a heathen" thing.
I REALLY would rather have an opportunity to better understand what is you believe.

 

[farouk]

This still leaves me with the "you're a heathen" thing.
I REALLY would rather have an opportunity to better understand what is you believe.

The Bible is like a mirror.

Okay so why don't you ask me a specific question on my profile page?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

The Bible is like a mirror.

Okay so why don't you ask me a specific question on my profile page?

Sure.

 

[CoreIssue]

Romans 3:23 and Romans 6:23... Jude 1:4 (kjv).

Romans 3:23 New International Version (NIV)
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Romans 6:23 New International Version (NIV)
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life ina]">[a] Christ Jesus our Lord.

No mention of wrath

Jude 4 New International Version (NIV)
4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

Definitely not what you are claiming.

Big problem here is the King James version translation is extremely misleading.

 

[justbyfaith]

Big problem here is the King James version translation is extremely misleading.

I disagree...for I believe that the kjv is both inspired and inerrant...therefore it cannot be misleading as it is exactly what the Dr. ordered.

 

[justbyfaith]

No mention of wrath

If you think that spiritual death has nothing to do with God's wrath...

 

[JPPT1974]

When you accept Christ and have your name in the Lamb's Book of Life and eternal life. If you don't accept Him, you are eternally separated from Him sadly and truthfully.

 

[APAK]

When I felt the presence of God’s spirit engaged in my life, my heart and thoughts for the first time, my state of heart and mind were humble and contrite in acknowledgement of what God had already stirred up in my heart. I never at any time chose or I decided to accept God and his Son based on my own will entirely, expecting God then to do his thing for me if I first said, ‘I do believe.’ That would be considered prideful and self-righteous work. My heart and mind were already moving in acceptance of what I was already receiving – the light of God because of his Son and his work.

I would say if we think we can just choose to accept the good news of salvation and thus Christ and his Father, then we are not ‘saved’ at all. We are self-righteous fakers.

The presence of God always comes first. The good grace of God that chose me without my very limited knowledge and no foreknowledge, worked within me first, kindled the fire and lit the match. I just requested the new Spirit now within me to supply more fuel to burn a fire in my heart. I was moved to do so. I was on fire for the Lord. I embraced the light that was already shining in my heart and I knew that is was there to warm and enlighten me as John spoke of in John Chapter one. The light came first, and then I enthusiastically accepted it. I could never accept the light without feeling its warmth on my heart first. God first lights the fire in hearts by his will and not anything we will to do reach the Spirit of God. Once he brings the warmth of eternal life into our lives, we are inescapably enticed to accept it, willingly and spontaneously. The “I’ and the carnal so-called 'free-will' becomes a door mat during this time, as we yield and allow God to walk all over it. This is how I believe a believer is truly reborn with the spirit of God truly entrenched inside of them.

Blessings to all,


APAK

PS I may disagree with say @Dave L on his Trinity belief, although I am in lock-step with him on this more severe and most critical belief and doctrine that makes us true believers with future eternal life. This I believe is the core and reason why I call myself a Christian and believer in Christ, my Lord, and my Father that saved me through the saving work of his Son.

 

[Enoch111]

Big problem here is the King James version translation is extremely misleading.

That in itself is a misleading statement produced by the *Ministry of Disinformation*. I love the way you enlarge and bold the quotations from the corrupt NIV, as if that will add value or authority to one of the worst Bible translations to appear.

 

[justbyfaith]

Why is there evil in the world; and why does God allow wars?

My answer is that God has given us a free will either to love and obey Him or else to hate and disobey Him and do what will result in certain evils that we see in the world today.

If we do not have a free will, then what is the answer to the question above?

Is God responsible?

He is Omnipotent and loving from my understanding of the Bible; how then does evil exist?

Is it not because God chose the greater good of giving mankind a free moral agency, looking forward to what He would prepare for the righteous in the kingdom of heaven?

Rom 8:20, For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

 

[Enoch111]

I would say if we think we can just choose to accept the good news of salvation and thus Christ and his Father, then we are not ‘saved’ at all.

While there is no doubt that the triune Godhead (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) draw sinners to the Savior through the preaching (or reading) of the Gospel and the convicting and convincing of the Spirit, after all is said and done every person must either obey the Gospel (a choice) or disobey the Gospel (also a choice). To suggest that no choice is involved is delusional, and Scripture proves that. Let's take one example from Acts 2:

THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

SINNERS ARE CONVICTED AND CONVINCED
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

REPENTANCE AND FAITH ARE COMMANDED
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

THE GOSPEL IS FULLY DELIVERED
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

SINNERS RESPOND AND ARE CONVERTED AND BAPTIZED
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.