Dave, it is perfectly clear to those who know their Bibles that you neither understand salvation nor the meaning of self-righteousness. So how does one go about correcting someone so deluded?This is salvation by self-righteousness.
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Dave, it is perfectly clear to those who know their Bibles that you neither understand salvation nor the meaning of self-righteousness. So how does one go about correcting someone so deluded?This is salvation by self-righteousness.
You are going to have to elaborate on this if you want me to believe you.It still comes down to you and your self-righteousness being the savior in your thinking.
That's not quite an answer to my question.God shows mercy or justice. There is no injustice in that. Those who go to Heaven do not deserve Heaven, those who go to Hell deserve it. No one gets injustice. The lost don't care they're lost and the saved know they are wicked sinners who do not deserve Heaven.
Those are excellent questions and prove the falsity of Five Point Calvinism.If the only way a person is saved is by God forcing them to have faith, then why are all not saved? Why did a loving God create fallen individuals (whom by God's design cannot ever have faith) just to doom them to Hell?
Very good, @Mal'ak...
The only point that I would make is that we are transformed within by our faith in Christ (and what He did for us on the Cross) and not by any good work that we might do...but we will do good works because of that inner transformation if it is genuinely wrought in our hearts.
Phl 2:13, For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Eze 36:25, Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26, A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27, And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
and if we say we do not sin we are liars.
The greatest gift of God is free will, the idea we become Christian robots is a mockery to God.
But if God PICKS who has faith and then God CONTROLS us so we have to do good
Face your sins, repent, and walk with Christ.
How can he damn people to Hell when they had no chance to win unless he controlled them?
So the best idea so you don't sniff a pound of cocaine is to deceive yourself,
If salvation depends on you, and you are the last link in the chain, you become the savior of yourself. = self-righteousness. In scripture people are born so sinful they hate God but love idols more to their liking bearing his name. So if any are saved, it is because God gives them a new heart through the new birth and through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit and the baptism of the Holy Spirit, already present in the believer, happens through repentance.You are going to have to elaborate on this if you want me to believe you.
How were you saved? If you think it was your choosing to believe, you must have already believed (already were saved according to Jesus) or you would not have chosen to believe.Dave, it is perfectly clear to those who know their Bibles that you neither understand salvation nor the meaning of self-righteousness. So how does one go about correcting someone so deluded?
I agree! Unfortunately, not many understand the reason for the need for the "new birth" . Paul explains it plainly in Rom. 8:9.If salvation depends on you, and you are the last link in the chain, you become the savior of yourself. = self-righteousness. In scripture people are born so sinful they hate God but love idols more to their liking bearing his name. So if any are saved, it is because God gives them a new heart through the new birth and through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit and the baptism of the Holy Spirit, already present in the believer, happens through repentance.
So if any are saved, it is because God gives them a new heart through the new birth and through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
This is salvation by self-righteousness. Scripture teaches we are dead in trespasses and sins. Paul says the natural man cannot discern the things of God. So we are helplessly lost. In this state the flesh is all we have to work with. And it can do nothing but sin. Unless God raises our spirit from the dead, we cannot believe in any true sense. The flesh only believes in a false Christ.Certainly not against their will!
For in salvation, a person becomes submitted/surrendered to the Lordship of Jesus Christ.
It is not the God that I serve who would force a person to submit/surrender to His will for their lives unless they did this willingly. Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty (freedom).
God does not force people into being slaves.
Those who serve Him as bondservants do so because we have fallen in love with His character and grace.
Psa 110:3, Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.