Should I be rebaptised?

[Grams]

Eph.2;
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For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

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Not of works, lest any man should boast

 

[Taken]

This is something I tried to ask my mom about. I was baptised as a baby, is it all I need? I don't want to put Jesus back on the cross, I just want the salvation, cleansing, filled with the spirit.. my faith in Him is strong, my repentence true.

Wasn't sure where to put this, please move if it's in the wrong forum. Ty

Water ON the body, does not SAVE ANYONE.

It is merely a Foreshadow, to being CLEANSED, by the BLOOD of Christ Jesus.

Gods OFFERS His Grace "of" Forgiveness "for" a man "having been" in DISBELIEF in God.
(And then coming into heartfelt belief and Confessing his belief in God).

Cleansing is the ACT "of" God, "CLEANING" what He "HAS" Forgiven.

Men "clean" with Water.
God "cleanses" with Christ Jesus' Blood.

A parent, "baptizing/cristening" their "baby", is about the parents, not the "baby".
(It is a ritual some churches have devised. Where in Scripture is that teaching?)

It is simply the "parents" making a vow to raise their "baby", in the knowledge and teaching of Christ Jesus.

(The Baby is not making a confession of Belief).

The "baby" growing into a "youth", an "adult", at any time along the way, MUST make his own decision to give "his" life to the Lord...
Or not.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Acolyte]

Pardon me; why would they want your money when you say you have not yet made public confession in baptism?

Because they want money... period. Why take an 85 year olds money.. same answer.

 

[farouk]

Because they want money... period. Why take an 85 year olds money.. same answer.

I would be wary of ppl who want your money.

 

[Acolyte]

@Taken I like post #82 so much I would like it twice or more if I could.

If my sins are not cleansed away, will my belief(Jesus is our Savoir, he sacrificed his life for my sins, he was risen) alone save me from them when I stand before our Father? That is the reason.. I am not sure.

 

[Taken]

Because they want money... period.

Why? For what?

Why take an 85 year olds money.. same answer.

Why refuse it?

 

[Acolyte]

Why? For what?




Why refuse it?

I think they put the cart before the horse. The Baptist church that is. After 3 visits you are asked to sign a tithing contract. I'm not saying all Baptist churches, just the one I visited.

 

[Acolyte]

@aspen and @bbyrd009
You both said you were rebaptised and wish you weren't. Would you share why you wish you hadn't done it?

 

[Taken]

@Taken I like post #82 so much I would like it twice or more if I could.

If my sins are not cleansed away, will my belief(Jesus is our Savoir, he sacrificed his life for my sins, he was risen) alone save me from them when I stand before our Father? That is the reason.. I am not sure.

Your Belief alone? No.
Your Belief and Confession of Belief? Yes.

After that ^^^, what the Lord does "within you is not visible", but none the less accomplished.

It is men who are always "looking to see" something visible. You know, "seeing is believing". Ha

When men can "see" a man going to an alter call, or being "dipped in water," "they" (other men) have a confidence of believing the Lord has accomplished Salvation in that man.

And remember, "baptisms" in a church, are "scheduled". They are a "scheduled ceremony". So also was your "baby baptism" scheduled.

A man deciding to give his life to the Lord, does so any time, any place he is ready to make that confession and commitment.

No one requires a "ceremony" or "scheduled" date or follow a man-made churches "protocal" to make an earnest heartfelt vow of belief In the Lord.

You have made your belief and faith in Christ the Lord Jesus quite clear on this forum.
Seems you are concerned with did you make your belief "clear enough", according to what men say is required, necessary, tradition, protocal.

The thief on the cross, next to Jesus,
Was not baptized in water, Did not go to an alter call, Did not live a life of serving God, Did not ask for forgiveness, Did not challenge Him, Did not ask Jesus to prevent his death.

The one thing the thief did to Exalt the Lords name;
Was to reveal to the Lord, that mans Belief in the Lord.
And the one thing the thief asked of the Lord;
Was for the Lord to remember him.

No pomp, ceremony, water, whoop, whoop, men congratulating the thief, etc.

You know your own heart, and what you truly believe, and so does the Lord, who has already accomplished IN you, what no mans "ceremony" can do.


God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

@aspen and @bbyrd009
You both said you were rebaptised and wish you weren't. Would you share why you wish you hadn't done it?

I'm not sure "wish I hadn't done it" is really right, more like if I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have prolly? At the time ritual baptism was the only baptism I knew of though, I have since found the others. Imo that ritual remains an important if misunderstood step in our rebirths, our births being the actual baptism by water imo, what the ritual is meant to invoke, or at least was? But none of that really got communicated to me at the time, it was more like an initiation into a club imo, I went right back to my old life, etc

 

[Taken]

I think they put the cart before the horse. The Baptist church that is. After 3 visits you are asked to sign a tithing contract. I'm not saying all Baptist churches, just the one I visited.

Churches are a BUSINESS.
They make "PLANS" on their ability to pay for the "PLAN".

Many churches are "missionaries".
Missions require "funding".
Without "funding", there is no missionaries to send out on "missions".

People, typically Members of a Church, agree to give a particular amount, and the plan for a mission can be somewhat adequately funded.

Nothing says you MUST give. But sure the Church WILL ASK if you would be willing to give, for that purpose.

And there is also funding required for the upkeep of the Church building, and a salary for a full time Preacher, which is his occupation, and he too has need for an income, like any other person.

Some Churches are extravagant, huge, with a huge congregation, and appear over the top with spending, and the over the top lifestyle of the Preacher, while others are small.

Any member can discover the break-down of incoming funds against the outgoing costs of operation, missionaries, donations, and Preachers "income", and agree and go along with that or not.

I know of a Baptist Church in a small neighborhood of traditional tract type 3 bedroom homes. Members of the church lived there, the Preacher lived there, their Church was an old used building the members put their funds together to make a sanctuary and class rooms. From the day that Church began they had a little table in the back of the sanctuary, with a little wooden Church "box", It was their "fund" for land and a new Church. After approx 15 years of individuals dropping donations into that little Church "box", they had arrived at an amount to purchase land and fully build and furnish their new church.
They also had a plain little box on the same table, for upkeep of the Church and salary for the Preacher.
No one was compelled to give, or put their names with who was giving what. No one was eye-balling to see what the guy next to them was doing, (like in "passing" the plate).

It is simply a matter of how individual churches elect to raise money for plans they would like to execute.

No doubt, many are turned off, by finding their Pastor living in a luxurious over the top Worldly lifestyle.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Acolyte]

If baptised and believe are the 2 criteria, then both are met. But I spent alot of my adult years thinking, God hates me. Reason for that is the mess I made of things, not Him.
Ifs are irrelevant, and there is a gulf in heaven.

Repentance after sin is a must, how can a baby repent to receive baptism, when he has no personal sins? I'm aware of the carried on sins of mankind but personal sin.

 

[Acolyte]

I'm not sure "wish I hadn't done it" is really right, more like if I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have prolly? At the time ritual baptism was the only baptism I knew of though, I have since found the others. Imo that ritual remains an important if misunderstood step in our rebirths, our births being the actual baptism by water imo, what the ritual is meant to invoke, or at least was? But none of that really got communicated to me at the time, it was more like an initiation into a club imo, I went right back to my old life, etc

Thank you for answering.

The old life feeds the carnal man, I find joy escapes me. The thorn in my side I guess. Things that I enjoyed I don't, and the bleakness of the future doesn't bring joy.
I get alot about you after 3 months of trying to understand. Lol sorry about the wish thing, I didn't go back and reread acual post just remembered you wouldn't have.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

But none of that really got communicated to me at the time, it was more like an initiation into a club imo, I went right back to my old life, etc

Same here. Multiple times and went right back to my old life.

 

[Acolyte]

@Taken I tithe where I am fed. They don't ask or demand it, I feel in my heart they earn it by teaching verse by verse, precept on precept. I feel His presence
and for that I am truely grateful.
Blessings

 

[Marymog]

Baptize = dip or immerse into something.

Dipped does NOT = immersed.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

But none of that really got communicated to me at the time, it was more like an initiation into a club imo, I went right back to my old life, etc

Sorry considering your post further and maybe it just became clear that...the ‘initiation into a club’ held no power of death since every time I returned to my old life. Without death there can be no resurrection to walk in newness of Life.

 

[bbyrd009]

Thank you for answering.

The old life feeds the carnal man, I find joy escapes me. The thorn in my side I guess. Things that I enjoyed I don't, and the bleakness of the future doesn't bring joy.
I get alot about you after 3 months of trying to understand. Lol

i would get away from that "bleakness of the future" thing then, sounds like what the world is saying to me wadr. I would go to Peru if I had to, to get away from that. We know that we live in an Empire in the Decline/Decadence stage, and we even have a reliable clock in the dollar to calculate when it will...well, "fall" isn't really the right term, it's fallen over 99% already lol, so let's say "crash." Which I suspect even that is over-dramatic, and "whimper" will be closer to truth for most people, I mean we waste a lot of brain space fearing some future crash which imo is mostly a distraction to avoid looking at today honestly. Bleakness of the future sounds an awful lot like the evening news to me!

 

[bbyrd009]

Sorry considering your post further and maybe it just became clear that...the ‘initiation into a club’ held no power of death since every time I returned to my old life. Without death there can be no resurrection to walk in newness of Life.

amen, who goes to baptism as to death now, it's unheard of

 

[Dave L]

Dipped does NOT = immersed.

βάπτω, “to dip in or under” (trans.): Hom. Od., 9, 392; Aesch. Prom., 863: ἐν σφαγαῖσι βάψασα ξίφος; “to dye,” used in Josephus only in this sense, Bell., 4, 563; Ant., 3, 102; βάμμα, “dyed material,” Ant., 3, 129; P. Par., 52, 10; 53, 5 (163/2 B.C.): βαπτά, “dyed or coloured clothes.”
The intens. [βαπτίζω occurs in the sense of “to immerse” (trans.) from the time of Hippocrates, in Plato and esp. in later writers, a. strictly, act. βαπτίζειν τὸ σκάφος, “to sink the ship,” Jos. Bell., 3, 368, ὁ κλύδων


Oepke, A. (1964–). βάπτω, βαπτίζω, βαπτισμός, βάπτισμα, βαπτιστής. G. Kittel, G. W. Bromiley, & G. Friedrich (Eds.), Theological dictionary of the New Testament (electronic ed., Vol. 1, pp. 529–530). Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans.