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The difference being Easter comes from pagan religions, rings do not.
Rings absolutely do - and most scholars agree with this.
As for Easter - I have yet to see anybody show a pagan practice - other than bunnies . . .
 

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There are said to have been updated versions of the Didache later on - but it was definitely a FIRST century document. Show me a reputable scholar who disagrees.

As for the Deuterocanonical Books - YOU LOSE this discussion because you base ALL of your arguments on emotion and hatred instead of documented evidence, and history. That's where I defeat you EVERY time.

Don't believe me?? Do your own research on the Rabbinical school at Jamnia, Rabbi Akiba and his false messiah Simon bar Kokhba. Another interesting thing you'll find about the 2nd Jewish Revolt is that most Jews and even pagans supported the Revolt. Christian Jews, however, did NOT because it would have been tantamount to rejecting Christ. The Revolt was centered around Akiba's false messiah Simon bar Kokhba.

Like it said - you Protestants hold to a POST-Christ, POST-Temple Canon of Scripture that was decided on by a FALSE prophet who endorsed a FALSE Messiah.

It stinks from the head to the tail . . .

Updated? Who can authoritatively update a historical document?

Answer, its creators, the Catholic Church.

The Apocrypha is old, but that does not make it Bible.

Yes, there is some historical information in the books of Maccabee. But they are not Bible.

Just like in the Old Testament there are references to documents written back then. But those documents were never called Scripture.

Catholicism is post-Christ post-Temple.

The Bible cannon was established by the Old Testament Jews and the early church before the Catholic Church existed.
 

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Jehovah's Witnesses weren't sent by Christ. They were sent by Charles Taze Russell after 1879.
Get your fact straight.

This STILL doesn't support your false "Lone Ranger" Christianity model.

Go to your bookshelf, dust off the Bible that's tucked away in the corner and turn to 1 Cor. 12. Read that entire chapter - THEN tell me that your Lone Ranger system is what Christ envisioned for His Body . . .

I could care less what someone thinks about Jehovah's witnesses. Like I said many of the people who are not Jehovah's witnesses will say the most horrible things about them. The authorities of Jesus days didn't believe he was sticking to scripture. I've read 1 Corinthians 12, have you really?

1 Corinthians 12 what I agree with: What was the purpose of the congregation? To train and unite all believers. The Christians were not to be a large, unidentifiable, disassociated crowd of persons, each of whom had his own ideas and loyalties, keeping themselves separate from this world and living like dispersed aliens in a strange land. Though living as aliens and temporary residents in this old world, the Christians were to be as ‘living stones being built up into a spiritual house,’ “a holy nation, a people for special possession.” In other words, they needed to be gathered and fitted together to worship as a group, as a congregation, and this in a tangible way.—1 Pet. 2:5-11.
A similar illustration of the congregation arrangement was used by Paul in explaining how both Israelites and non-Israelites were united in Christ, becoming a unity with common aims, obligations and identity. “Certainly, therefore, you are no longer strangers and temporary residents, but you are fellow citizens of the holy ones and are members of the household of God, and you have been built up upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, while Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone. In union with him the whole building, being harmoniously joined together, is growing into a holy temple for Jehovah.” (Eph. 2:19-21) Here Paul uses three different illustrations of individuals or things organized together to serve a common purpose. First, “fellow citizens of the holy ones,” which indicates a common sharing of certain rights, privileges and responsibilities and identity that such citizenship gives. With the illustration “members of the household of God” Paul shows the way all believing Christians were organized as a family unit. In every household there is a definite arrangement of things, and all must respect the family head and live up to the standards of the household. In comparing them to building stones “being harmoniously joined together,” ‘being built up together,’ Paul shows the need of a congregation. Within the framework of the congregation these “stones” could be shaped, smoothed and fitted. Only when united in the congregation as a body of people and not seeking isolation could they be God’s temple and serve to advance true worship, while being trained for their future assignments in the heavenly Kingdom organization.—1 Cor. 3:16, 17; 6:19; 2 Cor. 6:16.
So the anointed Christians of the first century were to be assemblers, not dissenters, trying to serve God independently of each other. Since God’s heavenly arrangement was orderly and harmonious, surely the called-together group of God’s servants on earth would demonstrate this same harmony. If the greatly diversified wisdom of God was to be made known through the congregation, then this congregation needed to be well organized, harmonious, and not see its members separating from one another to seek their own interests.—1 Cor. 14:33, 40; Eph. 3:10, 11.
A clear picture of the congregation organization established by God’s spirit and its purpose is outlined in the fourth chapter of Paul’s letter to the Ephesians. First, he shows the responsibilities each anointed Christian had to others in a group, “putting up with one another in love, earnestly endeavoring to observe the oneness of the spirit.” Then, from verse 11 on, he mentions the organizational provision for this, namely, the congregation with the different features for oversight and teaching as gifts from Christ. “And he gave some [gifts] as apostles, some as prophets, some as missionaries, some as shepherds and teachers, with a view to the training of the holy ones for ministerial work, for the building up of the body of the Christ, until we all attain to the oneness in the faith and in the accurate knowledge of the Son of God.” So their being anointed with the spirit did not in itself change over these Christians to completeness in a miraculous and instantaneous manner. Rather, the spirit led them to the congregation, where, with the help of the spirit, the Word and the organization arrangements, they would become of one mind and be trained for the ministerial work.—Eph. 4:11-16; 1 Cor. 1:10.
By their associating in the congregation the anointed ones both gave and received benefit. It was here in a most tangible way that they were “being harmoniously joined together,” and not merely in some sort of invisible spiritual way. In the congregation they were being made to cooperate through “every joint which gives what is needed, according to the functioning of each respective member in due measure,” which resulted in the “growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.” The congregation organization did not stifle or quench love’s expression or make it mechanical as if according to rules, but rather trained and built up all in love and gave them opportunity to practice it.—Eph. 4:16;2 Thess. 1:1-3; Rom. 1:9-13.
 

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Wedding rings DID originate from pagan ceremonies.
So we are back to square one. They may have been, but I have yet to see the evidence. The cultures they came from we're polytheistic, and I am sure it influenced their lives in general. But let me ask you: can you describe an Egyptian wedding ceremony?

The mere fact that your KJV uses the term "vessel" shows that it is the BODY that is being spoken of.
A woman is weaker PHYSICALLY.
No, it is speaking of the person in the marriage. Do you want to review the whole chapter for context? It says twice that a wife should be in subjection to their husbands. Why? Is it because they are physically weaker? Is the husband the head of the wife because he is stronger?

I might have to look back in this thread to find out why we are even discussing wedding rings in an Easter thread. I suspect it's an attempt to justify a practice by trying to cast shade on others. If so, that's pretty sad.
 
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So we are back to square one. They may have been, but I have yet to see the evidence. The cultures they came from we're polytheistic, and their religion may have been apart of their wedding... I don't know. But I find no pagan symbolism in the use of rings itself.
Well, I'll leave that up to the scholars and Egyptologists.

HOWEVER
, since the Egyptians DID have a goddess of marriage (Isis) - their marriage ceremonies MORE than likely were religious in nature.
No, it is speaking of the person in the marriage. Do you want to review the whole chapter for context? It says twice that a wife should be in subjection to their husbands. Why? Is it because they are physically weaker? Is the husband the head of the wife because he is stronger?

I might have to look back in this thread to find out why we are even discussing wedding rings in an Easter thread. I suspect it's an attempt to justify a practice by trying to cast shade on others. If so, that's pretty sad.
If you read Paul's lesson on marriage in Eph. 5 - in context - you will see that submission and service to one another goes BOTH ways.

As for wedding rings, as I told your buddy @CoreIssue - many people were stating that Easter had pagan origins so I showed the pagan origins of wedding rings. As for Easter - I have yet to see anybody show a pagan practice - other than bunnies which the Church did NOT create or emulate. You can blame corporate America for that . . .
 

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I could care less what someone thinks about Jehovah's witnesses. Like I said many of the people who are not Jehovah's witnesses will say the most horrible things about them. The authorities of Jesus days didn't believe he was sticking to scripture. I've read 1 Corinthians 12, have you really?

1 Corinthians 12 what I agree with: What was the purpose of the congregation? To train and unite all believers. The Christians were not to be a large, unidentifiable, disassociated crowd of persons, each of whom had his own ideas and loyalties, keeping themselves separate from this world and living like dispersed aliens in a strange land. Though living as aliens and temporary residents in this old world, the Christians were to be as ‘living stones being built up into a spiritual house,’ “a holy nation, a people for special possession.” In other words, they needed to be gathered and fitted together to worship as a group, as a congregation, and this in a tangible way.—1 Pet. 2:5-11.
A similar illustration of the congregation arrangement was used by Paul in explaining how both Israelites and non-Israelites were united in Christ, becoming a unity with common aims, obligations and identity. “Certainly, therefore, you are no longer strangers and temporary residents, but you are fellow citizens of the holy ones and are members of the household of God, and you have been built up upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, while Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone. In union with him the whole building, being harmoniously joined together, is growing into a holy temple for Jehovah.” (Eph. 2:19-21) Here Paul uses three different illustrations of individuals or things organized together to serve a common purpose. First, “fellow citizens of the holy ones,” which indicates a common sharing of certain rights, privileges and responsibilities and identity that such citizenship gives. With the illustration “members of the household of God” Paul shows the way all believing Christians were organized as a family unit. In every household there is a definite arrangement of things, and all must respect the family head and live up to the standards of the household. In comparing them to building stones “being harmoniously joined together,” ‘being built up together,’ Paul shows the need of a congregation. Within the framework of the congregation these “stones” could be shaped, smoothed and fitted. Only when united in the congregation as a body of people and not seeking isolation could they be God’s temple and serve to advance true worship, while being trained for their future assignments in the heavenly Kingdom organization.—1 Cor. 3:16, 17; 6:19; 2 Cor. 6:16.
So the anointed Christians of the first century were to be assemblers, not dissenters, trying to serve God independently of each other. Since God’s heavenly arrangement was orderly and harmonious, surely the called-together group of God’s servants on earth would demonstrate this same harmony. If the greatly diversified wisdom of God was to be made known through the congregation, then this congregation needed to be well organized, harmonious, and not see its members separating from one another to seek their own interests.—1 Cor. 14:33, 40; Eph. 3:10, 11.
A clear picture of the congregation organization established by God’s spirit and its purpose is outlined in the fourth chapter of Paul’s letter to the Ephesians. First, he shows the responsibilities each anointed Christian had to others in a group, “putting up with one another in love, earnestly endeavoring to observe the oneness of the spirit.” Then, from verse 11 on, he mentions the organizational provision for this, namely, the congregation with the different features for oversight and teaching as gifts from Christ. “And he gave some [gifts] as apostles, some as prophets, some as missionaries, some as shepherds and teachers, with a view to the training of the holy ones for ministerial work, for the building up of the body of the Christ, until we all attain to the oneness in the faith and in the accurate knowledge of the Son of God.” So their being anointed with the spirit did not in itself change over these Christians to completeness in a miraculous and instantaneous manner. Rather, the spirit led them to the congregation, where, with the help of the spirit, the Word and the organization arrangements, they would become of one mind and be trained for the ministerial work.—Eph. 4:11-16; 1 Cor. 1:10.
By their associating in the congregation the anointed ones both gave and received benefit. It was here in a most tangible way that they were “being harmoniously joined together,” and not merely in some sort of invisible spiritual way. In the congregation they were being made to cooperate through “every joint which gives what is needed, according to the functioning of each respective member in due measure,” which resulted in the “growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.” The congregation organization did not stifle or quench love’s expression or make it mechanical as if according to rules, but rather trained and built up all in love and gave them opportunity to practice it.—Eph. 4:16;2 Thess. 1:1-3; Rom. 1:9-13.
Soooooo, may I ask what religious tradition or affiliation YOU are from?
Denomination?
 

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Updated? Who can authoritatively update a historical document?
Answer, its creators, the Catholic Church.

The Apocrypha is old, but that does not make it Bible.
Yes, there is some historical information in the books of Maccabee. But they are not Bible.
Just like in the Old Testament there are references to documents written back then. But those documents were never called Scripture.
Catholicism is post-Christ post-Temple.

The Bible cannon was established by the Old Testament Jews and the early church before the Catholic Church existed.
First of all - thank you for recognizing that the 1st century document, The Didache is from the Catholic Church.

Secondly - it's not an historical document - it's an INSTRUCTIONAL document, hence the updates.

As for the Canon of the Old Testament - you are once again spouting off from emotion and opinion - but not ONE iota of documented historical evidence like I presented. So, I have only ONE question for you:

Can you substantiate your last sentence above in RED??

I eagerly await your well-researched answer . . .
 

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Soooooo, may I ask what religious tradition or affiliation YOU are from?
Denomination?
we don't have denominations like Christendom does. we meet in buildings called kingdom halls of Jehovah's witnesses. If a kingdom Hall was like located on Hartley bridge road the people who meet there (congregation) might be called Hartley bridge congregation you know like that, but in each congregation you go to they would believe and be set up the same way the scriptures say they should be set up not how individuals say they should be set up.
 

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Egyptologists.

HOWEVER
, since the Egyptians DID have a goddess of marriage (Isis) - their marriage ceremonies MORE than likely were religious in nature.
Ok... Let's have a look:

Love, Sex, and Marriage in Ancient Egypt

MARRIAGE IN ANCIENT EGYPT
There was no marriage ceremony in ancient Egypt. A woman was married to a man as soon as she entered his house with the goods agreed upon.

I don't know when the ring was given, but this author makes it pretty clear that there weren't wedding ceremomies... How could they be pagan when they didn't exist?

If you read the whole article, it will mention pagan beliefs, and interestingly it talks quite a bit about gender rolls. Alot of those myths line up with your beliefs about "Christian marriage".

If you read Paul's lesson on marriage in Eph. 5 - in context - you will see that submission and service to one another goes BOTH ways
I will be more than happy to discuss Eph 5, from verse 21 down to the end of the chapter. I agree that the submission and service goes both ways, but their is clearly one that is the head.

As for wedding rings, as I told your buddy @CoreIssue - many people were stating that Easter had pagan origins so I showed the pagan origins of wedding rings
Yep... Just as I thought! You are trying to justify pagan origins of Easter by casting shade on another practice (wedding rings). The problem is you haven't shown that the wedding ring has pagan origins.

As for Easter - I have yet to see anybody show a pagan practice - other than bunnies which the Church did NOT create or emulate.
Bede.

(You know what I am talking about).
 

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we don't have denominations like Christendom does. we meet in buildings called kingdom halls of Jehovah's witnesses. If a kingdom Hall was like located on Hartley bridge road the people who meet there (congregation) might be called Hartley bridge congregation you know like that, but in each congregation you go to they would believe and be set up the same way the scriptures say they should be set up not how individuals say they should be set up.
So you're a Jehovah's Witness.
I wasn't sure but it explains some of your beliefs.
 

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As for wedding rings, as I told your buddy @CoreIssue - many people were stating that Easter had pagan origins so I showed the pagan origins of wedding rings. As for Easter - I have yet to see anybody show a pagan practice - other than bunnies which the Church did NOT create or emulate. You can blame corporate America for that . . .

1 Samuel 7:3 New International Version (NIV)
3 So Samuel said to all the Israelites, “If you are returning to the Lord with all your hearts, then rid yourselves of the foreign gods and the Ashtoreths and commit yourselves to the Lord and serve him only, and he will deliver you out of the hand of the Philistines.”

Paganism and Easter | Origin of Easter
Easter did not originate for the purpose of celebrating Christ, but rather for the purpose of worshiping the mother goddess Ishtar. Because worshipers of Ishtar presented her with two fertility symbols—eggs and rabbits—these became part of the Christian Easter celebration. Because sunrise at the beginning of spring was the holiest day in the Mithraic calendar (next to December 25), the practice of Easter sunrise services continued on into Christianity.

I have long wondered why Catholics replaced Passover with Easter.

This video makes sense.

I'm old enough to remember when Catholicism taught they were now Israel and Rome was Jerusalem.

Simply put, Israel out of the way and to promote they own the New Testament and it is all about Catholicism.

After all they claim the only true church is Catholicism.

 

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Ok... Let's have a look:

Love, Sex, and Marriage in Ancient Egypt

MARRIAGE IN ANCIENT EGYPT
There was no marriage ceremony in ancient Egypt. A woman was married to a man as soon as she entered his house with the goods agreed upon.

I don't know when the ring was given, but this author makes it pretty clear that there weren't wedding ceremomies... How could they be pagan when they didn't exist?

If you read the whole article, it will mention pagan beliefs, and interestingly it talks quite a bit about gender rolls. Alot of those myths line up with your beliefs about "Christian marriage".
Like I said - there HAD to be a religious aspect to Egyptian marriage because they dedicated an entire deity to the institution.
Isis was the goddess of marriage, health and wisdom.

I realize that you are simply trying to desperately trying disprove MY findings - you will vindicate your own hypocrisy about pagan-to-Christian practices . . .
I will be more than happy to discuss Eph 5, from verse 21 down to the end of the chapter. I agree that the submission and service goes both ways, but their is clearly one that is the head.

Yep... Just as I thought! You are trying to justify pagan origins of Easter by casting shade on another practice (wedding rings). The problem is you haven't shown that the wedding ring has pagan origins.

Bede.
(You know what I am talking about).
No - I've absolutely shown that wedding rings were of poagan origin.
I just didn't show that they were objects of pagan worship - a claim which I NEVER made but which YOU tried desperately to force on me.

As For the Venerable Bede - he didn't claim that Easter was "pagan". He stated that the month in which it fell was named after a goddess.
Here is his exact quote:
“Eostur-month, which is now interpreted as the paschal month, was formerly named after the goddess Eostre, and has given its name to the festival.”

This is Bede's simply opinion and he is entitled to it - but I presented FAR more evidence in an earlier post that the name has other origins.

However, you anti-Catholics have a problem. The Catholic Church doesn't refer to the Resurrection of Christ formally as "Easter" anyway. It is formally referred to in the Church as "Pascha", which is derived from the Aramaic for "Passover".
 
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1 Samuel 7:3 New International Version (NIV)
3 So Samuel said to all the Israelites, “If you are returning to the Lord with all your hearts, then rid yourselves of the foreign gods and the Ashtoreths and commit yourselves to the Lord and serve him only, and he will deliver you out of the hand of the Philistines.”

Paganism and Easter | Origin of Easter
Easter did not originate for the purpose of celebrating Christ, but rather for the purpose of worshiping the mother goddess Ishtar. Because worshipers of Ishtar presented her with two fertility symbols—eggs and rabbits—these became part of the Christian Easter celebration. Because sunrise at the beginning of spring was the holiest day in the Mithraic calendar (next to December 25), the practice of Easter sunrise services continued on into Christianity.

I have long wondered why Catholics replaced Passover with Easter.

This video makes sense.
I'm old enough to remember when Catholicism taught they were now Israel and Rome was Jerusalem.
Simply put, Israel out of the way and to promote they own the New Testament and it is all about Catholicism.
After all they claim the only true church is Catholicism.
Ummmmm, and I've long-wondered why people stupidly believe that the Catholic church "replaced" Passover with Easter . . .

For your information, Einstein - the Church doesn't even formally recognize the Lord's Resurrection as "Easter". It's more of a nickname.
It is formally recognized by the Catholic Church as "Pasha", which is derived from the Aramaic for "PASSOVER" . . .
 

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to Egyptian marriage because they dedicated an entire deity to the institution.
Isis was the goddess of marriage, health and wisdom.

Ok look, you say that the wedding ring has pagan origins but have not produced any reference. You talked of a pagan ceremony without any reference, but I produced a reference that they didn't even have a ceremony.

I believe you have proved nothing! Your only proof is the claim about Isis, but you have no proof otherwise that the marriage ceremony or ring is pagan.

I will let others be the judge of our evidence.

I realize that you are simply trying to desperately trying disprove MY findings - you will vindicate your own hypocrisy about pagan-to-Christian practices . . .
Well, you have none... You just said you would leave that to the historians.

As For the Venerable Bede - he didn't claim that Easter was "pagan". He stated that the month in which it fell was named after a goddess.
Here is his exact quote:
“Eostur-month, which is now interpreted as the paschal month, was formerly named after the goddess Eostre, and has given its name to the festival.”
He said it was given to the name of the festival... Your own quote says the word came from pagan origins!

However, you anti-Catholics have a problem. The Catholic Church doesn't refer to the Resurrection of Christ formally as "Easter" anyway. It is formally referred to in the Church as "Pascha", which is derived from the Aramaic for "Passover".
But you keep calling it Easter and saying there is nothing pagan about it except bunnies.
 

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Just wondering... If wedding rings are pagan because Isis is the goddess of marriage, does that make "marriage" pagan?
 

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Ummmmm, and I've long-wondered why people stupidly believe that the Catholic church "replaced" Passover with Easter . . .

For your information, Einstein - the Church doesn't even formally recognize the Lord's Resurrection as "Easter". It's more of a nickname.
It is formally recognized by the Catholic Church as "Pasha", which is derived from the Aramaic for "PASSOVER" . . .

Does not change the fact the KJV is 100% wrong by saying Easter instead of Passover.
 

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This is Bede's simply opinion and he is entitled to it - but I presented FAR more evidence in an earlier post that the name has other origins
Wow! I can't believe I missed this quote because it leads into my major point about Bede.

The fact that Bede wrote this renders your theory wrong. I've read your theory and I am not impressed. The quote from Bede was circa 700 AD. That means that around that time people recognized Easter as a pagan goddess. Your theory doesn't predate that, nor would it matter if it did. The FACT is that in 700 AD Easter was recognized as a pagan goddess. Unless Bede lied, it's not a matter of opinion. It's what was believed by the people. Unless you believe he made it up...
 

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Wow! I can't believe I missed this quote because it leads into my major point about Bede.

The fact that Bede wrote this renders your theory wrong. I've read your theory and I am not impressed. The quote from Bede was circa 700 AD. That means that around that time people recognized Easter as a pagan goddess. Your theory doesn't predate that, nor would it matter if it did. The FACT is that in 700 AD Easter was recognized as a pagan goddess. Unless Bede lied, it's not a matter of opinion. It's what was believed by the people. Unless you believe he made it up...
This is an idiotic response for a person who is supposed to know what he has been debating for the last several pages . . .

EVERYBODY knows that there are pagan deities that predate Christianity - yet YOU barely discovered that NOW?? Seriously??

MY
point all along has NOT been that there were no pagan deities. It has been that Easter is NOT named for any pagan deity, Einstein.
Only ignorant people who believe that the entire world speaks ENGLISH would make up an asinine argument like this "Ishtar/Easter" nonsense.

NOT all Christians refer to the Feast of the Resurrection "Easter". Byzantine Christians use the Greek term Pascha, a transliteration of the Hebrew word Pesach, or Passover. Pascha is also the name of this feast in Latin, the official language of the Roman Rite. The Romance languages reflect this usage; the Italian word Pasqua, the French Paques and the Spanish Pascua each derive from Pascha, and ultimately from Pesach.

The official name for the celebration of the Lord's Resurrection in the Catholic Church is not even "Easter" anyway. it's "Pascha", which is derived from the Aramaic word for "Passover".

Some philologists (historical linguists) say that "Easter" comes from the word "east", referring to the rising of the sun, a metaphor for the Resurrection of Christ (see Malachi 4:2).

The Dictionary of Bible and Religion indicates another possible origin:
"Recent studies seem to indicate that Easter may be derived from the Latin phrase hebdomada alba, the old term for Easter week based upon the wearing of white robes by the newly baptized. The octave of Easter, the following week, was known as post albas, the time when the white robes were put away....Easter may thus mean "white" and be named from early Christian baptismal practices."
{"Easter", The Dictionary of Bible and Religion, (Nashville, TN: Abingdon, 1986) 287}


In YOUR anti-Catholic desperation however, you take the ONLY avenue that leads to the name of a pagan deity and state with absolute certainty that "This is it!!"
Typical behavior of the uneducated . . .
 

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Does not change the fact the KJV is 100% wrong by saying Easter instead of Passover.
I disagree - but I wouldn't have used the word "Easter" to describe Passover either if I has translated the KJV.
"100% wrong" is a but of a reach . . .