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Cardinal Cajetan (Tommaso de Vio, 1469-1534) wrote about men like Tetzel:
“Preachers act in the name of the Church so long as they teach the doctrines of Christ and the Church; but if they teach, guided by their own minds and arbitrariness of will, things of which they are ignorant, they cannot pass as representatives of the Church; it need not be wondered at that they go astray.”

The Council of Trent (1545-1564) issued a stern decree that gave Church teaching on indulgences and that provided stringent guidelines to eliminate abuses.
Since you seem knowledgeable about your church's history, please provide a link or quote from its early history concerning indulgences. I would like to know when it first began and what was taught about it from your Catholic sources.
 

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If you truly were a Catholic at some point in your life - you wouldn't refer to it as the "RCC" or to Catholics as "RCs" because this shows complete ignorance of all things Catholic.

My guess is that yo were NEVER a Catholic but you went to mass a few times - probably as a guest of a friend or family member.
Reggie Belanfonte, I've shown Dead Bread this excerpt from Pius XII's 1950 encyclical "Humani Generis" in which Pius clearly references the Roman Catholic Church as "Roman Catholic Church (RCC)" but in classic typical papist fashion, he ignores facts, history, and the self-incriminating evidence published by his own beloved papal Antichrist.

"27. Some say they are not bound by the doctrine, explained in Our Encyclical Letter of a few years ago, and based on the Sources of Revelation, which teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing."
 

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Reggie Belanfonte, I've shown Dead Bread this excerpt from Pius XII's 1950 encyclical "Humani Generis" in which Pius clearly references the Roman Catholic Church as "Roman Catholic Church (RCC)" but in classic typical papist fashion, he ignores facts, history, and the self-incriminating evidence published by his own beloved papal Antichrist.

"27. Some say they are not bound by the doctrine, explained in Our Encyclical Letter of a few years ago, and based on the Sources of Revelation, which teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing."
As I educated you before on this - with your limited understanding of context, you are guilty of cherry-picking once again. You do i ALL the time with Scripture, so I'm NOT surprised that you would do it with other documents.

Pius XII's Encyclical known as "Humani Generis" has a much longer title than the abbreviated one you know. It is formally known as:
"ENCYCLICAL HUMANI GENERIS OF THE HOLY FATHER PIUS XII
TO OUR VENERABLE BRETHREN, PATRIARCHS, PRIMATES, ARCHBISHOPS, BISHOPS, AND OTHER LOCAL ORDINARIES ENJOYING PEACE AND COMMUNION WITH THE HOLY SEE CONCERNING SOME FALSE OPINIONS THREATENING TO UNDERMINE THE FOUNDATIONS OF CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"


In other words - it's an address of unity to ALL of the Liturgical Rites that comprise the Catholic Church

As I have educated you on MANY occasions - the Catholic Church is comprised of TWENTY Liturgical Rites - like the Maroonite, Byzantine, Ruthenian, Alexandrian, Coptic, Melkite, etc.

They are ALL in full communion with the Bishop of Rome - the Pope, who belongs to the Roman (Latin) Rite.
It is in THIS context that he states that the Body of Christ is the Roman Catholic Church that ALL of the other rites are in Communion with. He COULD have named them off one by one or simply said "Catholic Church". However, for reasons known only to him - he chose to say "Roman" Catholic Church.

The plain fact of the matter, my ignorant friend, is that the official title of the Catholic church is . . . wait for it . . . "The Catholic Church" - and nothing more.

There ends the lesson for the day . . .
 

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As I educated you before on this - with your limited understanding of context, you are guilty of cherry-picking once again. You do i ALL the time with Scripture, so I'm NOT surprised that you would do it with other documents.

Pius XII's Encyclical known as "Humani Generis" has a much longer title than the abbreviated one you know. It is formally known as:
"ENCYCLICAL HUMANI GENERIS OF THE HOLY FATHER PIUS XII
TO OUR VENERABLE BRETHREN, PATRIARCHS, PRIMATES, ARCHBISHOPS, BISHOPS, AND OTHER LOCAL ORDINARIES ENJOYING PEACE AND COMMUNION WITH THE HOLY SEE CONCERNING SOME FALSE OPINIONS THREATENING TO UNDERMINE THE FOUNDATIONS OF CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"


In other words - it's an address of unity to ALL of the Liturgical Rites that comprise the Catholic Church

As I have educated you on MANY occasions - the Catholic Church is comprised of TWENTY Liturgical Rites - like the Maroonite, Byzantine, Ruthenian, Alexandrian, Coptic, Melkite, etc.

They are ALL in full communion with the Bishop of Rome - the Pope, who belongs to the Roman (Latin) Rite.
It is in THIS context that he states that the Body of Christ is the Roman Catholic Church that ALL of the other rites are in Communion with. He COULD have named them off one by one or simply said "Catholic Church". However, for reasons known only to him - he chose to say "Roman" Catholic Church.

The plain fact of the matter, my ignorant friend, is that the official title of the Catholic church is . . . wait for it . . . "The Catholic Church" - and nothing more.

There ends the lesson for the day . . .
Once again, you are the chicken kicking over the chess pieces. WHO CARES if I didn't bother to waste precious time and energy typing out that ridiculous encyclical title...AND NOW YOU'RE BACKPEDDLING.

FIRST YOU ARGUED PIUS WAS REFERRING TO THE "RCC" PRIESTLY ORDER.

THEN, YOU CONCEDED THAT IT WAS A REFERENCE TO THE ENTIRE CATHOLIC ORGANIZATION BUT ARGUED THE REFERENCE WAS AN OLIVE BRANCH GESTURE BY PIUS CONDESCENDING TO USE OUR LINGO - WHICH IS STUPID CONSIDERING NO PROTESTANT WOULD THINK ABOUT MEETING HIM HALFWAY WHILE HE ACTIVELY CONDEMNED ALL PROTESTANTS AS HERETICS BOUND FOR HELL.

NOW, YOU'VE REGRESSED TO USING THE "PRIESTLY ORDER" ARGUMENT AGAIN. GIVE IT UP, DEAD BREAD. PIUS CALLED THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION OVER WHICH HE HAS AUTHORITY "ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH", AND A BLIND MAN CAN SEE THAT FOR HIMSELF...except if he is afflicted with papal blindness "in whom the god of this world hath blinded the eyes of them which believeth not..."
 
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Once again, you are the chicken kicking over the chess pieces. WHO CARES if I didn't bother to waste precious time and energy typing out that ridiculous encyclical title...AND NOW YOU'RE BACKPEDDLING.

FIRST YOU ARGUED PIUS WAS REFERRING TO THE "RCC" PRIESTLY ORDER.

THEN, YOU CONCEDED THAT IT WAS A REFERENCE TO THE ENTIRE CATHOLIC ORGANIZATION BUT ARGUED THE REFERENCE WAS AN OLIVE BRANCH GESTURE BY PIUS CONDESCENDING TO USE OUR LINGO - WHICH IS STUPID CONSIDERING NO PROTESTANT WOULD THINK ABOUT MEETING HIM HALFWAY WHILE HE ACTIVELY CONDEMNED ALL PROTESTANTS AS HERETICS BOUND FOR HELL.

NOW, YOU'VE REGRESSED TO USING THE "PRIESTLY ORDER" ARGUMENT AGAIN. GIVE IT UP, DEAD BREAD. PIUS CALLED THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION OVER WHICH HE HAS AUTHORITY "ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH", AND A BLIND MAN CAN SEE THAT FOR HIMSELF...except if he is afflicted with papal blindness "in whom the god of this world hath blinded the eyes of them which believeth not..."
It WAS an olive branch. The ENTIRE encyclical was an olive branch, as it is about the UNITY of the Body - ALL the Rites. THAT'S why I included the ENTIRE title - to show you WHO it was addressed to.

Here is the Title AGAIN. Read carefully:
"ENCYCLICAL HUMANI GENERIS OF THE HOLY FATHER PIUS XII
TO OUR VENERABLE BRETHREN, PATRIARCHS, PRIMATES, ARCHBISHOPS, BISHOPS, AND OTHER LOCAL ORDINARIES ENJOYING PEACE AND COMMUNION WITH THE HOLY SEE CONCERNING SOME FALSE OPINIONS THREATENING TO UNDERMINE THE FOUNDATIONS OF CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"


Notice that I highlighted the parts having to do with the various RITES. Catholics in the Roman/Latin Rite don't normally refer to their Bishops as "Patriarchs". This is a EASTERN nomenclature.

Now, look at the LAST underlined section in RED. It doesn't take a genius to see that he didn't refer to ROMAN Catholic doctrine. The different Rites of the Church are largely cultural in nature and do not differ doctrinally.

THIS is why we are in FULL communion with each other, Einstein . . .
 

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It WAS an olive branch. The ENTIRE encyclical was an olive branch, as it is about the UNITY of the Body - ALL the Rites. THAT'S why I included the ENTIRE title - to show you WHO it was addressed to.

Here is the Title AGAIN. Read carefully:
"ENCYCLICAL HUMANI GENERIS OF THE HOLY FATHER PIUS XII
TO OUR VENERABLE BRETHREN, PATRIARCHS, PRIMATES, ARCHBISHOPS, BISHOPS, AND OTHER LOCAL ORDINARIES ENJOYING PEACE AND COMMUNION WITH THE HOLY SEE CONCERNING SOME FALSE OPINIONS THREATENING TO UNDERMINE THE FOUNDATIONS OF CATHOLIC DOCTRINE"


Notice that I highlighted the parts having to do with the various RITES. Catholics in the Roman/Latin Rite don't normally refer to their Bishops as "Patriarchs". This is a EASTERN nomenclature.

Now, look at the LAST underlined section in RED. It doesn't take a genius to see that he didn't refer to ROMAN Catholic doctrine. The different Rites of the Church are largely cultural in nature and do not differ doctrinally.

THIS is why we are in FULL communion with each other, Einstein . . .
READ THE EXCERPT. When Pius says "Roman Catholic church", he's not talking about some obscure rite, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION.
 

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It WAS an olive branch. The ENTIRE encyclical was an olive branch,
IT WAS NO OLIVE BRANCH - IT WAS CONFIRMATION THAT WE PROTESTANTS ARE CORRECT IN USING "ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH" TO REFER TO YOUR ORGANIZATION. AGAIN, YOU DENY FACTS, REALITY, AND THE SELF-INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE PUBLISHED BY YOUR OWN APOSTATE ORGANIZATION.
 
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Since the pope is the bishop of the church of Rome, this is both logical and rational. I don't see why any committed Roman Catholic would object.
Since the whole system is based upon claims made about the bishop of Rome, then it's hard to deny that this is indeed what is claimed.
 

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If one wants to leave the Roman Church, well and good. Just because you left the Roman Church doesn't mean there are no believers there who stay in the Roman Church. Nor does it mean they are supposed to leave it. Nor does it mean your doctrine is without error.

Yes, those in the Roman Church are hindered in their spiritual growth. But that doesn't mean they can't grow spiritually.

In other words, though Rome does not teach the new-birth the same as Protestants do, that doesn't mean there are not Christians there who are born-again.

You can question my spiritual condition all you want. Seems you never really left the affects of the papacy as you want to determine the spiritual condition of the believer just as they.

Stranger

sit back..a little long...forbearance please...

It was laid on my heart to provide you will a clearer reason why I thought you struck out in the gutter lane in my last reply to you. I believe I do owe you this further explanation.

No, the effects of the Papacy did not linger with me for long at all. My Dad especially and some others reminded me of it from time to time and how he was a staunch foot soldier for the religion by not just saying I'm a Catholic, but a Roman Catholic. I truly believe he had no clue of the Trinity model in his life. He always knew the Son of God was Jesus and then the Father was his God. He was raised with this religion and as a near-State ran religion to boot from were he lived before WWII. It was his pride and joy to be one for the Pope. He carries his Polish missile or prayer book with him and prayed from that, even in English speaking churches, only in the church building though, as that is where he thought it was effective.

Now for me, I got married and tried various Protestant denominations. My wife was raised as a Methodist and never believes in a Trinity model. She believed the Father created his Son some 2000 years ago. She was in Christ since she was a little girl.

Now I remember, with my wife, standing up in a pew and hearing the creed of the 'Catholics' spoken in my first Protestant church. I had never been to one before. I began to speak the words and suddenly I was arrested in my mind to my very core as Jesus was being called God. A voice inside of me said this is not right, you need to leave. And eventually I stopped going to any denomination that had a pledge of allegiance to what I believed is a god and not the true God, the Father only.

Later I went to a great prophecy sermon/workshop of the SDA. It seemed all Saturday long. I got to see some believers that my spirit felt a connection with as one. I was happy visiting there. Then later we visited the Church of God, of Christ, etc. I learned about the JWs through one of my sisters - in- law and when these folks came to visit. They do know scripture as do the COG folks and others...I just differ in areas. Then I read and learned of folks around Luther's time that thought he never went far enough as he kept the view of the trinity and other things..they were housed in the Universities of Krakow and others, in Poland. These Brethren actually had a great influence on John Locke, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, and other in their view of the supreme and divine creator, and there are much more to my trails....I collected a lot of knowledge over the years and it has come to this....I pray and respond to what the Spirit says to me however subtle or loud the voice reached me inside. I do thank God and his Son for everything they have done and keep doing for and in my life, and how I can touch others for God's glory.

Anyway Stranger, I just did not what you to think I was disrespecting or thrashing your words. Never did..never will...

Bless you,

APAK
 

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READ THE EXCERPT. When Pius says "Roman Catholic church", he's not talking about some obscure rite, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION.
You mean, read what you cherry-picked . . .
Once again, you didn't read the document, nor do you understand WHO it was written to.

As I educated you earlier - we don't refer to our Bishops as "Patriarchs". This is an EASTERN nomenclature for Liturgical rites such as the Alexandrian, Coptic and Byzantine.
NONE of your whining can change that . . .
IT WAS NO OLIVE BRANCH - IT WAS CONFIRMATION THAT WE PROTESTANTS ARE CORRECT IN USING "ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH" TO REFER TO YOUR ORGANIZATION. AGAIN, YOU DENY FACTS, REALITY, AND THE SELF-INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE PUBLISHED BY YOUR OWN APOSTATE ORGANIZATION.
No - it had nothing to do with "you Protestants".
If you read the documents - it was about "false opinions threatening to undermine the foundations of Catholic doctrine."

If this was the official title of the Catholic Church - it would be on EVERY document.
It's NOT because it isn't - and you simply can't accept that you're wrong . . .
 
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Since the pope is the bishop of the church of Rome, this is both logical and rational. I don't see why any committed Roman Catholic would object.
Tell that to those in the Melkite, Maronite, Byzantine, Coptic, Alexandrian, etc. Rites.
They are ALSO Catholics - but not "Roman" Catholics . . .
 

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Since you seem knowledgeable about your church's history, please provide a link or quote from its early history concerning indulgences. I would like to know when it first began and what was taught about it from your Catholic sources.
The Doctrine of Indulgences in the Early Church
John 20:21-23

Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins YOU FORGIVE are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU RETAIN are retained.

2 Cor. 2:5-10
“For such a one this punishment by the majority is enough…you should rather turn to forgive and comfort him…I beg you to reaffirm your love for him. … What I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for your sake in the presence (person) of Christ.

197 A.D. - Tertullian
“Some, not able to find this peace in the Church, have been used to seek it from the imprisoned martyrs. And so you [imprisoned Christians] ought to have it dwelling with you, and to cherish it, and to guard it, that you may be able perhaps to bestow it upon others.” (Ad Martyras Chapter 1)

222 A.D. - Tertullian
“Now you are ascribing this power [of granting indulgences] even to your dear martyrs. As soon as someone of his own accord has taken on the fetters…at once the adulterers are swarming about…[and] prayers are humming in the air… Men and women crowd [them]…beg for [their] blessing…and return from there as [restored to] the community.” (On Modesty Chapter 22)

250 A.D. - St. Cyprian of Carthage
“According to your diligence…designate those by name to whom you desire that peace should be granted. For I hear that certificates [of indulgence] are [too freely] given.” (Letter 10 or 15 Paragraph 4)

And (250 A.D.):
“When some of the lapsed…[demanded] the peace that had been promised to them by the martyrs and confessors…I wrote twice to the clergy…[that] if any who had received a certificate [of indulgence] from the martyrs were departing from this life, having made confession, and received the imposition of hands on them for repentance, they should be remitted to the Lord with the peace promised them by the martyrs.” (Letter 14 or 20 Paragraph 3)

314 A.D. - Council of Ancyra
“Concerning [various sinners]…a former decree excluded them [from the Church] until the hour of death, and to this some have assented. Nevertheless, being desirous to use somewhat greater lenity, we have ordained that they fulfil ten years [of penance], according to the prescribed degrees.” (Canon 21)

314 A.D. - Council of Arles
“Concerning those who carry letters from the confessors, be it resolved that, when they have handed over those letters, they receive other letters of reference.” (Canon 10 or 9)

379 A.D. - St. Basil
“We do not judge [a penance] altogether by the length of time, but by the circumstances of the penance.” (Canonical Epistle to Amphilochius Canon 84)

380 A.D. - St. Gregory of Nyssa
“Fornicators [should] be three years wholly ejected from prayer…and [after an additional six year period] admitted [back] to communion; but the [additional six years] may be lessened to them who of their own accord confess, and are earnest penitents.” (Canonical Epistle to Letojus Canon 4)
 
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You mean, read what you cherry-picked . . .
Once again, you didn't read the document, nor do you understand WHO it was written to.

As I educated you earlier - we don't refer to our Bishops as "Patriarchs". This is an EASTERN nomenclature for Liturgical rites such as the Alexandrian, Coptic and Byzantine.
NONE of your whining can change that . . .

No - it had nothing to do with "you Protestants".
If you read the documents - it was about "false opinions threatening to undermine the foundations of Catholic doctrine."

If this was the official title of the Catholic Church - it would be on EVERY document.
It's NOT because it isn't - and you simply can't accept that you're wrong . . .
Let's ask the membership. I'll post a thread.
 

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sit back..a little long...forbearance please...

It was laid on my heart to provide you will a clearer reason why I thought you struck out in the gutter lane in my last reply to you. I believe I do owe you this further explanation.

No, the effects of the Papacy did not linger with me for long at all. My Dad especially and some others reminded me of it from time to time and how he was a staunch foot soldier for the religion by not just saying I'm a Catholic, but a Roman Catholic. I truly believe he had no clue of the Trinity model in his life. He always knew the Son of God was Jesus and then the Father was his God. He was raised with this religion and as a near-State ran religion to boot from were he lived before WWII. It was his pride and joy to be one for the Pope. He carries his Polish missile or prayer book with him and prayed from that, even in English speaking churches, only in the church building though, as that is where he thought it was effective.

Now for me, I got married and tried various Protestant denominations. My wife was raised as a Methodist and never believes in a Trinity model. She believed the Father created his Son some 2000 years ago. She was in Christ since she was a little girl.

Now I remember, with my wife, standing up in a pew and hearing the creed of the 'Catholics' spoken in my first Protestant church. I had never been to one before. I began to speak the words and suddenly I was arrested in my mind to my very core as Jesus was being called God. A voice inside of me said this is not right, you need to leave. And eventually I stopped going to any denomination that had a pledge of allegiance to what I believed is a god and not the true God, the Father only.

Later I went to a great prophecy sermon/workshop of the SDA. It seemed all Saturday long. I got to see some believers that my spirit felt a connection with as one. I was happy visiting there. Then later we visited the Church of God, of Christ, etc. I learned about the JWs through one of my sisters - in- law and when these folks came to visit. They do know scripture as do the COG folks and others...I just differ in areas. Then I read and learned of folks around Luther's time that thought he never went far enough as he kept the view of the trinity and other things..they were housed in the Universities of Krakow and others, in Poland. These Brethren actually had a great influence on John Locke, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, and other in their view of the supreme and divine creator, and there are much more to my trails....I collected a lot of knowledge over the years and it has come to this....I pray and respond to what the Spirit says to me however subtle or loud the voice reached me inside. I do thank God and his Son for everything they have done and keep doing for and in my life, and how I can touch others for God's glory.

Anyway Stranger, I just did not what you to think I was disrespecting or thrashing your words. Never did..never will...

Bless you,

APAK

No problem.

Stranger
 

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The Doctrine of Indulgences in the Early Church
John 20:21-23

Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins YOU FORGIVE are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU RETAIN are retained.

2 Cor. 2:5-10
“For such a one this punishment by the majority is enough…you should rather turn to forgive and comfort him…I beg you to reaffirm your love for him. … What I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for your sake in the presence (person) of Christ.

197 A.D. - Tertullian
“Some, not able to find this peace in the Church, have been used to seek it from the imprisoned martyrs. And so you [imprisoned Christians] ought to have it dwelling with you, and to cherish it, and to guard it, that you may be able perhaps to bestow it upon others.” (Ad Martyras Chapter 1)

222 A.D. - Tertullian
“Now you are ascribing this power [of granting indulgences] even to your dear martyrs. As soon as someone of his own accord has taken on the fetters…at once the adulterers are swarming about…[and] prayers are humming in the air… Men and women crowd [them]…beg for [their] blessing…and return from there as [restored to] the community.” (On Modesty Chapter 22)

250 A.D. - St. Cyprian of Carthage
“According to your diligence…designate those by name to whom you desire that peace should be granted. For I hear that certificates [of indulgence] are [too freely] given.” (Letter 10 or 15 Paragraph 4)

And (250 A.D.):
“When some of the lapsed…[demanded] the peace that had been promised to them by the martyrs and confessors…I wrote twice to the clergy…[that] if any who had received a certificate [of indulgence] from the martyrs were departing from this life, having made confession, and received the imposition of hands on them for repentance, they should be remitted to the Lord with the peace promised them by the martyrs.” (Letter 14 or 20 Paragraph 3)

314 A.D. - Council of Ancyra
“Concerning [various sinners]…a former decree excluded them [from the Church] until the hour of death, and to this some have assented. Nevertheless, being desirous to use somewhat greater lenity, we have ordained that they fulfil ten years [of penance], according to the prescribed degrees.” (Canon 21)

314 A.D. - Council of Arles
“Concerning those who carry letters from the confessors, be it resolved that, when they have handed over those letters, they receive other letters of reference.” (Canon 10 or 9)

379 A.D. - St. Basil
“We do not judge [a penance] altogether by the length of time, but by the circumstances of the penance.” (Canonical Epistle to Amphilochius Canon 84)

380 A.D. - St. Gregory of Nyssa
“Fornicators [should] be three years wholly ejected from prayer…and [after an additional six year period] admitted [back] to communion; but the [additional six years] may be lessened to them who of their own accord confess, and are earnest penitents.” (Canonical Epistle to Letojus Canon 4)
Surely you just???? Not one of those quotes has anything to do with a fictitious place called purgatory where dead people's souls are alive and awaiting their release through the prayers or money of the living.

John 20:21-23 says nothing about forgiving people that died and are in purgatory. You are reading that into the text.

2 Corinthians 2:5-10 refers to forgiving the man who was put out of the church in 1 Corinthians 5:1-5. Paul is telling them to forgive him and allow him to return.

You use the wrong definition of martyr when utilizing those quotes. This is from the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia;

The Greek word martus signifies a witness who testifies to a fact of which he has knowledge from personal observation. It is in this sense that the term first appears in Christian literature; the Apostles were "witnesses" of all that they had observed in the public life of Christ, as well as of all they had learned from His teaching, "in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and Samaria, and even to the uttermost part of the earth" (Acts 1:8).
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Thus, within the lifetime of the Apostles, the term martus came to be used in the sense of a witness who at any time might be called upon to deny what he testified to, under penalty of death. From this stage the transition was easy to the ordinary meaning of the term, as used ever since in Christian literature: a martyr, or witness of Christ, is a person who, though he has never seen nor heard the Divine Founder of the Church, is yet so firmly convinced of the truths of the Christian religion, that he gladly suffers death rather than deny it. St. John, at the end of the first century, employs the word with this meaning; Antipas, a convert from paganism, is spoken of as a "faithful witness (martus) who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth" (Revelation 2:13). Further on the same Apostle speaks of the "souls of them that were slain for the Word of God and for the testimony (martyrian) which they held" (Revelation 6:9).
Your quote of Tertulian's Ad Martyras is taken out of context. The context makes it clear that he is addressing living martyrs who are in prison awaiting death. Chapter 1 begins with;

Blessed Martyrs Designate — Along with the provision which our lady mother the Church from her bountiful breasts, and each brother out of his private means, makes for your bodily wants in the prison, accept also from me some contribution to your spiritual sustenance; for it is not good that the flesh be feasted and the spirit starve: nay, if that which is weak be carefully looked to (the flesh), it is but right that that which is still weaker should not be neglected. (Parenthesis mine)
Your Council of Ancyra is also out of context;

Concerning women who commit fornication, and destroy that which they have conceived, or who are employed in making drugs for abortion, a former decree excluded them until the hour of death, and to this some have assented. Nevertheless, being desirous to use somewhat greater lenity, we have ordained that they fulfil ten years [of penance], according to the prescribed degrees.​

Those women were still alive and the Council wanted to be kinder and gentler to them (lenity), so instead of excluding them right up until the hour of their death, they decided to allow them to make penance (voluntary self-punishment inflicted as an outward expression of repentance for having done wrong) for ten years. This is done by living people, not dead people in purgatory.
I could go through the rest and discredit every one of your quotes, but what I have shared will suffice.

Exposing anti-Catholic lies online for 15 years . . .

All your posts end with that statement, but it should be changed to, "Teaching Catholic lies online for 15 years . . ."
 

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Not one of those quotes has anything to do with a fictitious place called purgatory where dead people's souls are alive and awaiting their release through the prayers or money of the living.
The RCC has invented a whole raft of fictions, Purgatory being one of them. Very sad!