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GerhardEbersoehn

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Gerhard, your prejudice against SDA has blinded you to the point it has you manufacturing stories by deliberately misunderstanding.
Good to see that you have noticed. So now instead of having put me in place with SCRIPTURE TRUTH you do yourself decide to put God in his place with SCRIPTURE TRUTH, you Pharisee YOU MANUFACTURED THIS DIABOLICAL MISS-TRANSLATION, NOT I!
 
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This is the OFFICIAL <general teaching approved by the global church>. What else?!
From the official 28 fundamentals of the church....
Creation
God has revealed in Scripture the authentic and historical account of His creative activity. He created the universe, and in a recent six-day creation the Lord made “the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them” and rested on the seventh day. Thus He established the Sabbath as a perpetual memorial of the work He performed and completed during six literal days that together with the Sabbath constituted the same unit of time that we call a week today. The first man and woman were made in the image of God as the crowning work of Creation, given dominion over the world, and charged with responsibility to care for it. When the world was finished it was “very good,” declaring the glory of God. (Gen. 1-2; 5; 11; Exod. 20:8-11; Ps. 19:1-6; 33:6, 9; 104; Isa. 45:12, 18; Acts 17:24; Col. 1:16; Heb. 1:2; 11:3; Rev. 10:6; 14:7.)

From E G White...
“By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.” “For He spake, and it was;” “He commanded, and it stood fast.” Psalm 33:6, 9. He “laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed forever.” Psalm 104:5....
….So God created man in His own image; ...male and female created He them.” Here is clearly set forth the origin of the human race; and the divine record is so plainly stated that there is no occasion for erroneous conclusions. God created man in His own image. Here is no mystery. There is no ground for the supposition that man was evolved by slow degrees of development from the lower forms of animal or vegetable life. Such teaching lowers the great work of the Creator to the level of man's narrow, earthly conceptions. Men are so intent upon excluding God from the sovereignty of the universe that they degrade man and defraud him of the dignity of his origin. He who set the starry worlds on high and tinted with delicate skill the flowers of the field, who filled the earth and the heavens with the wonders of His power, when He came to crown His glorious work, to place one in the midst to stand as ruler of the fair earth, did not fail to create a being worthy of the hand that gave him life. The genealogy of our race, as given by inspiration, traces back its origin, not to a line of developing germs, mollusks, and quadrupeds, but to the great Creator. Though formed from the dust, Adam was “the son of God.”
From Patriarchs and Prophets.
 

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I have news for you, SDA!

I listened to the very first occasion IN HISTORY that this Genesis 1:1 'transformation' seed was sown in the fertile ears of none other than SDA IN THE WORLD AND IN HISTORY! It came from the very learned renowned among SDA Physicist later on DR. Gerrie Scoltz in the city hall in Benoni Transvaal Province of the old Republic of South Africa. I don't know if he still is with us, but he on more than one occasion visited me at my home and we had more than one discussion on the subject - an idea he took over from evolutionists and wanted to incorporate into his view of the creation according to Genesis 1.

We Boertjies have been the whole world far ahead in more things than heart transplant science, GOOD OR BAD.

Now I am no physicist or Hebrew scholar, but I know more and better about Genesis 1 and its exegesis than most quasi learned together. Ek is 'n aap, maar 'n ou aap! I am not even surprised or alerted, what frightened, by the straw- and trash-talking of these papal puppets when it comes to the Bible.
 
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I have news for you, SDA!

I listened to the very first occasion IN HISTORY that this Genesis 1:1 'transformation' seed was sown in the fertile ears of none other than SDA IN THE WORLD AND IN HISTORY! It came from the very learned renowned among SDA Physicist later on DR. Gerrie Scoltz in the city hall in Benoni Transvaal Province of the old Republic of South Africa. I don't know if he still is with us, but he on more than one occasion visited me at my home and we had more than one discussion on the subject - an idea he took over from evolutionists and wanted to incorporate into his view of the creation according to Genesis 1.

We Boertjies have been the whole world far ahead in more things than heart transplant science, GOOD OR BAD.

Now I am no physicist or Hebrew scholar, but I know more and better about Genesis 1 and its exegesis than most quasi learned together. Ek is 'n aap, maar 'n ou aap! I am not even surprised or alerted, what frightened, by the straw- and trash-talking of these papal puppets when it comes to the Bible.
I have several issues with my church over different matters, such as its acceptance of abortion in its own hospitals...the acceptance of gay pastors in their own churches...and its nonsensical confusion and contradictory statements over the Godhead...these things and more are plenty enough to be concerned bout without inventing stuff, for regardless of the genesis of your claim being one teacher, whether he is a doctor or not is irrelevant, I see no evidence in our beliefs, nor in any of our current theological journals that such a teaching took root.
Not that said, there are certainly journals I am sure that you are very familiar with purporting to be Adventist, such as Spetcrum where one may find any number of disaffected Adventists making all manner of accusations against current Adventists teachings, and teaching all manner of quasi liberal bunk along with it. So there is plenty of rubbish concerning Adventist teaching to go around if one is willing to look hard enough, and plenty of genuinely wrong practices and teaching in the church (because no-one has it perfect...we are all learning) but I see no need to invent stuff ...there is enough genuine stuff to deal with.
 

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Amen, I was minded of declaring themselves wise, they became fools pretty quickly, once again, reading that myself. Sorry...GE.
If I could find what you are suggesting, I would agree that it would be a sad day. But I can't find it. Adventists proposing evolution? Indeed, if I knew of it I would be protesting as well. Can you provide a more specific direction to your claim please?
I didn't wade all the way through there but looks like maybe the "yom" question revisited?
but I mean rly how much info do you think you can relay to someone Standing There in cement boots like that anyway bl lol, best of luck ok
 

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I see no evidence in our beliefs, nor in any of our current theological journals that such a teaching took root.

The SDA Sabbath School Lesson Book Lesson One 2019 2nd quarter, the 100% original copied and pasted here, in the opening post. Such a teaching took root four decades ago and now has become the opening 'Scripture', of your official and worldwide church organisation Sabbath School Lesson Book. Nevertheless you are in denial stupor: <I see no evidence in our beliefs ...>. Do you expect me to believe your sincerity and honesty? What a sorry joke!

I have never met a SDA who admitted mistake. With you again my finding is being confirmed EXPERIENTIAL and FIRST HAND -- not through hearsay or presumption.
 

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I see nothing wrong in what God was doing in tranforming lifelessness to life fulness.

You handle what is wrong like handled Adam and Eve the serpent as if it could not cost them their life.

What is wrong is saying and making <what God was doing> was <in tranforming lifelessness to life> -- <lifelessness> that (according to your 'transformation' dogma) EXISTED WITHOUT GOD and without it having been CREATED by God.
 
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I read that chapter...studied in Sabbath class last week, and saw nothing amiss. The 'transformation' you speak of is NOT an apostatising to evolution which you are suggesting. It is indeed a transformation of the earth which at the beginning of the first day of creation was "without form, and void". Over a 7 literal day period, each consisting of a literal 24 hours, God set in order the earth and its immediate environs by His word, through His Son, to be established for ever, and which the meek shall "in their time and season", inherit.
You are seeing ghosts where there are none.
 

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You handle what is wrong like handled Adam and Eve the serpent as if it could not cost them their life.

What is wrong is saying and making <what God was doing> was <in tranforming lifelessness to life> -- <lifelessness> that (according to your 'transformation' dogma) EXISTED WITHOUT GOD and without it having been CREATED by God.
first thanks for the reply, second, error on your part. God, Jesus made everything, including "evil". as John 13 states, nothing that was made was made without him. so your assessment is in error.

and the terms "Create" and "Make" are not the same. God created everything, and from what he created he made everything. so again your assessment is in error.

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Bull, this is naked evolutionism.
Creation in progress is called "Making". example, Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

do you now see the diffrence? what was made on day 6? ... MAN ... right, ERROR, the sexes, (male and female). man was already made on day 3. what was created on day 6 was the sexes.

there is musch to learn in the creation account.

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Gerhard, your prejudice against SDA has blinded you to the point it has you manufacturing stories by deliberately misunderstanding.
Yes, or well at least I sure don't see a refute of ex nihilo, as that is what the "without form and void" came from? Or in another perspective doesn't "void" still = "nothing?"
Seems off either way though, yes
 

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Bull, this is naked evolutionism.
GE is functionally bankrupt too, not that you necessarily have anything to do with them, I just tend to make associations like that. You think God is prohibited for some reason from allowing things to evolve, GE? God must make everything instantaneously on your terms with a wrinkle of His Nose? Damn the evidence? Ok
 

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I read that chapter...studied in Sabbath class last week, and saw nothing amiss. The 'transformation' you speak of is NOT an apostatising to evolution which you are suggesting. It is indeed a transformation of the earth which at the beginning of the first day of creation was "without form, and void". Over a 7 literal day period, each consisting of a literal 24 hours, God set in order the earth and its immediate environs by His word, through His Son, to be established for ever, and which the meek shall "in their time and season", inherit.
You are seeing ghosts where there are none.

No, you are blind or pretend blind not to see EVIL SPIRITS having their witches' reel.

You said it well, the 'transformation' you and your 'translation' speak of, is a blatant <apostatising to evolution>, what, only a <suggested apostatising to evolution>! You only repeat and confirm your 'translation', Q~The 'transformation' is ... is indeed a transformation of the earth which at the beginning of the first day of creation was "without form, and void".~Q

And you must have lost track totally, alleging <The 'transformation' you speak of is NOT an apostatising to evolution which (I, GE, supposedly am) suggesting. It is indeed a transformation of the earth>. Is the <'transformation' .. an apostatising to evolution> or is the <'transformation' .. indeed a transformation of the earth> OR NOT!

I don't speak of a 'transformation' -- it's you and your 'translation' that do!

And the question must be, Is Genesis 1:1 speaking of "creation" or of <'transformation'>?! Because there should be no 'question' while Genesis 1:1 uses "creation" and not 'transformation'.

Crux of the matter is, Genesis does not say <'transformation'; it says SELF-EXPLANATORY:
"God created the heaven and the earth. And the EARTH [of the heaven and the earth] was CREATED without form (order) and void (of light) and (so) darkness was CREATED upon the face of the deep."

It says the disorder the earth (only) was CREATED IN, was upon its immediate created surface in every visible and invisible way CREATED, while even light CREATED --from an orderly and immediate created heaven 'above' CREATED-- did not lighten the CREATED earth('s surface). BECAUSE THAT WAS THE WAY "GOD IN THE BEGINNING CREATED THE EARTH AND THE HEAVEN ... AND THE SEA AND ALL THAT IN THEM IS (was created) IN SIX DAYS". Exodus 20:11.

Genesis and Exodus do not contradict but complement each other.
 
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first thanks for the reply, second, error on your part. God, Jesus made everything, including "evil". as John 13 states, nothing that was made was made without him. so your assessment is in error.

and the terms "Create" and "Make" are not the same. God created everything, and from what he created he made everything. so again your assessment is in error.

The party <making assessment> is the SSL, and the 'translator(s)' who 'assessed' the word "create" should not be "create - creation", but 'transform - transformation'.
And YOUR 'assessment', <Jesus made everything, including "evil"> according to my assessment, is, your 'assessment' is pure blasphemous trash.
 
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Creation in progress is called "Making". example, Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

do you now see the diffrence? what was made on day 6? ... MAN ... right, ERROR, the sexes, (male and female). man was already made on day 3. what was created on day 6 was the sexes.

there is musch to learn in the creation account.

PICJAG.

Not from you, thank you very much! ghrrrrrrrr ek vrek eerder as leer by jou.....
 
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<Jesus made everything, including "evil">
You would be hard pressed to find any quote of mine even remotely suggesting such a thing...in fact, you will find quotes of mine absolutely refuting such a suggestion from others.
 

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ou would be hard pressed to find any quote of mine even remotely suggesting such a thing...in fact, you will find quotes of mine absolutely refuting such a suggestion from others.

God bless you for that. Thank and honour Him that in his Providence such heresy does not often take possession of people's minds. And thank God the SDA do not suffer from that ailment as far as I know.
 

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The party <making assessment> is the SSL, and the 'translator(s)' who 'assessed' the word "create" should not be "create - creation", but 'transform - transformation'.
And YOUR 'assessment', <Jesus made everything, including "evil"> according to my assessment, is, your 'assessment' is pure blasphemous trash.
first thanks for your reply, second, Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things".

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Not from you, thank you very much! ghrrrrrrrr ek vrek eerder as leer by jou.....
you're very welcome ... :D lol.

1 Corinthians 2:12 "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1 Corinthians 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned".

PICJAG.