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Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by GerhardEbersoehn, Apr 12, 2019.

  1. GerhardEbersoehn

    GerhardEbersoehn Well-Known Member

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    'Transformation' is <a refute of ex nihilo>, as that which was created or <came from> ex nihilo is not <the "without form and void"> per se, but "the earth per se was / 'came forth' / was "CREATED without form and void"... "Void", obviously meaning, not 'nothing', but the earth void of order, light or life. Only the Spirit of God was upon the face of the, chaotic surface, of the globe.
     
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    This has nothing to do with the false translation of Genesis 1:1 with 'transform / transformation' in stead of with the real "create / creation". It is none of my concern what you believe or think or know or whatever about evolution, HUMBUG.
     
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    Christiaan Gerhardus Ebersöhn

    I have sworn on the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. Thomas Jefferson
    Evolution, tyranny over the mind of man. GE
     
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    Ah, and wadr how exactly do you know that?
    I don't find "...and only the Spirit was hovering..." in any translation?
     
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    well I wouldn't have chosen "transform" either maybe, I was just mostly hoping you would post a little more and reveal yourself here, ty
    Evolution is a theory, subject to change, no one that I am aware of is "tyrannized" by evolution GE, that comes from determinists like you imo, no offense. Aren't you the one here insisting and tyrannizing?
     
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    Yes. This, is not telling what you alleged, liar!

    Now did 'Jesus' make you, this evil liar, or are you this evil liar yourself?

    By the way, I ask of myself the answer to this very thing. And this is my answer from Scripture, The devil is a liar and murderer from the beginning, said Jesus. He did not say 'I created the devil a liar and murderer from the beginning'. Much less did He say, 'I transformed the devil into a liar and murderer in the beginning'. Which is what you have said amounted to when you declared, <Jesus made everything, including "evil".>

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    'Good common sense needs halve a word'. Meer as 'n halwe woord is oorboord.
     
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    If I haven't offended you I would have worried.
     
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    Not on my terms, on his terms - "God spoke and it was" with not so much as a wrinkle of his nose. You think God is prohibited for some reason from allowing things to happen instantaneously, bbyrd?
     
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    Oh how Igorant are they. "From the beginning, which one?, let's check the record. Ezekiel 28:13 "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
    Ezekiel 28:14 "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
    Ezekiel 28:15 "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
    Ezekiel 28:16 "By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
    Ezekiel 28:17 "Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
    Ezekiel 28:18 "Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
    Ezekiel 28:19 "All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

    Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
    Isaiah 14:13 "For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
    Isaiah 14:14 "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
    Isaiah 14:15 "Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
    Isaiah 14:16 "They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

    Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children".


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    Here it goes about the creation by God - not the 'transformation' by God -, of "the earth" - not about 'how ignorant they (whoever) are'.
     
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    Out of context, out of relevance. The key here even BEFORE life in Genesis 1:1, is, God is the CREATOR OF ALL THINGS INANIMATE AND ANIMATE. So the key idea that God is the CREATOR of all "LIFE", starts in Genesis 1:11, "Let the earth bring forth grass ...".
    God did not inherit a bygone old and deceased earth to revive and replenish with new life. He didn’t transform or restore the earth to preserve dinosaur skeletons. He created the earth in order to create and preserve life eternally.
     
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    Which at least to you and most Xtians now is required to mean Forever, right.
    No debate is even allowed huh
    yes, I understand that part, good on you ok, do your very best to offend me with some information if you can, please, but you have not addressed the post, have not really answered the question, see.

    So if I am "offended" here at all it is really more bc your manner, which in a forum like this I can only point to this little manipulation you made to make it sound like it is ok for you to Stand There and insist to other people like you are doing.

    Is that offensive, too, well yes, but do you really think that is what is meant?
    Should be obvious that you serve yourself more than others with that, yes?

    So fwiw my apologies if I have offended you ok, and if you have a gripe against the theory of evolution as we currently understand it then you are certainly free to disprove it I guess, right?

    Which you might contrast with your current hold on your Beliefs, which seem to have somehow become Absolute Truths maybe, ok, I dunno
     
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    I used to answer that "no, God can do whatever He wants," but I have come to believe now that that is not true. God is at least circumscribed from making things instantaneously, by our definition of that imo, yes.

    No reason "God spoke, and it was" could not take a billion years on our timescale imo, at least that I can currently see. But I grew up with Santa Claus too ok, I understand the desire for magic and bewitched and all that.

    If we can't literally walk on water we mostly aren't much interested, huh?
    ok, have a nice day
     
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    I'm kind of getting your objection now, but fwiw we have a pretty solid theory about ex nihilo now, we know and have more or less re-created the creation or transformation of elementary particles--"nothing"--cooling enough to form hydrogen--"something," and while I guess this won't serve you today the breaking into four rivers, two of which we cannot find? The Pishon and the Gihon? That google apparently cannot even find, stack exchange :)rolleyes:) can't find, etc? All explained by supersymmetry I guess, and does not leave any dangles in the Bible either, fwiw.

    Dunno if that's true but it sure is elegant imo. Stayed up all night looking for holes in that one
     
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    Vrek, what's wrong, ou, you gone nuts 'cause I SHOWED how the staunch old SDA creationists go evolutionists?

    I have NO desire to either prove or disprove evolution or creation. I do not BELIEVE evolution or God the Great Transformator; I - by the grace of God and the testimony of Scripture - BELIEVE creation and God the Creator Saviour. But not even my confession of my faith IS NOW the point or purpose. If you understand what I mean by the OP.
    So sorry, but when you experience an attack of gripe, I was a very bad dad who just couldn't handle hypochondria. Even less the incessant crying.
     
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    just all the way gone, huh, no longer with us at all?
    ok then, ty
     
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    First thanks for the reply, second, The earth is not just 6,000 years old as some think, but millions or more. even the rock themselves don't know. and a creation day is not a 24hr solar day.

    and speaking of the Grass and the dinosaurs, Adam the man was here before any of them. it's just that you don't know your bible.

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