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Marymog

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Why don't you start a topical Protestantism?
Got it....You can't answer. :(

Know why you can't answer.

Because there is no clarity in what you believe or the Protestant belief system. However, there is clarity in the Catholic belief system.


Thank you.....Mary
 

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However, there is clarity in the Catholic belief system.
There may be clarity but without veracity it becomes a snare.

veracity
noun
ve·rac·i·ty | \ və-ˈra-sə-tē \
plural veracities
Definition of veracity

1: conformity with truth or fact : ACCURACY
2: devotion to the truth : TRUTHFULNESS
3: power of conveying or perceiving truth
4: something true makes lies sound like veracities
 
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Got it....You can't answer. :(

Know why you can't answer.

Because there is no clarity in what you believe or the Protestant belief system. However, there is clarity in the Catholic belief system.


Thank you.....Mary
Rather than obfuscating, start a Protestantism thread.
 

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Anyone who wants to speak.
Soooooo, you don't really know - DO you?
You SAY that 1 & II Maccabees are not Scripture - yet you can't even explain WHY.

If you can't explain why you believe something - then perhaps you shouldn't believe it . . .
 
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Anyone who wants to speak.
Time for a HISTORY lesson . . .

This is how you Protestants arrived at your current Canon of the Old Testament.

The OPEN 1st century Jewish Canon included the 7 Deuterocanonical Books that you now reject.
These Books are:
Wisdom Sirach
Judith Tobit
Baruch I & II Maccabees

Portions or Daniel and Esther

This is the Canon of Scripture that Jesus and the NT writers studied from. We KNOW that they were part of the OPEN Jewish Canon of the 1st century because they are alluded to and quoted some 200 times in the New Testament. Some glaring examples are:
- Eph. 6:13-17 – The entire discussion of armor, helmet, breastplate, sword, shield follows Wis. 5:17-20.
- Heb 11:35 - Paul talks about the martyrdom of the mother and her sons described in 2 Macc. 7:1-42.
- Matt. 7:12 - Jesus' golden rule "do unto others" is the converse of Tobit 4:15 - what you hate, do not do to others.


Sometime around the year 70 AD, Jerusalem was sacked by the Romans during a Jewish uprising and the Temple was destroyed. After this – Jewish Temple sacrifices came to a halt and rabbinical schools replaced the Pharisaical leadership.

Now, pay attention because here's where it gets ugly . . .

Around 30 AD, during the 2nd Jewish uprising, there was a Jewish Rabbinical school in Jamnia.
One of the main Rabbis – a man named Akiva, declared TWO things:

a. A man named Simon Bar Kokhba was the "real" messiah. He turned out to be a false messiah and Akiva was a false prophet.
b. The Deuterocanonical Books needed to be REMOVED from the OPEN Canon - and the canon closed.

The reason for this was that was because of the “Hellenistic” influence it had on the Diaspora (Dispersed Jews).

SO - you Protestants adhere to a POST-Christ, POST-Temple OT Canon that was determined by a FALSE Prophet who declared a FALSE Christ.

Here's the worst part: the ONLY reason your Protestant Fathers chose to do this was to further-divorce themselves from the Catholic Church – who had it RIGHT all along!

ANYBODY who wants to look this up and challenge me - PLEASE do so . . .
 

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I take it you didn't have the historical ammunition to argue against the case I made in post #195.

I didn't think you did - but next time - try to at LEAST find a video that comes close . . .


PS - The challenge is STILL OPEN to ALL takers . . .
 

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Time for a HISTORY lesson . . .

This is how you Protestants arrived at your current Canon of the Old Testament.

The OPEN 1st century Jewish Canon included the 7 Deuterocanonical Books that you now reject.
These Books are:
Wisdom Sirach
Judith Tobit
Baruch I & II Maccabees

Portions or Daniel and Esther

This is the Canon of Scripture that Jesus and the NT writers studied from. We KNOW that they were part of the OPEN Jewish Canon of the 1st century because they are alluded to and quoted some 200 times in the New Testament. Some glaring examples are:
- Eph. 6:13-17 – The entire discussion of armor, helmet, breastplate, sword, shield follows Wis. 5:17-20.
- Heb 11:35 - Paul talks about the martyrdom of the mother and her sons described in 2 Macc. 7:1-42.
- Matt. 7:12 - Jesus' golden rule "do unto others" is the converse of Tobit 4:15 - what you hate, do not do to others.


Sometime around the year 70 AD, Jerusalem was sacked by the Romans during a Jewish uprising and the Temple was destroyed. After this – Jewish Temple sacrifices came to a halt and rabbinical schools replaced the Pharisaical leadership.

Now, pay attention because here's where it gets ugly . . .

Around 30 AD, during the 2nd Jewish uprising, there was a Jewish Rabbinical school in Jamnia.
One of the main Rabbis – a man named Akiva, declared TWO things:

a. A man named Simon Bar Kokhba was the "real" messiah. He turned out to be a false messiah and Akiva was a false prophet.
b. The Deuterocanonical Books needed to be REMOVED from the OPEN Canon - and the canon closed.

The reason for this was that was because of the “Hellenistic” influence it had on the Diaspora (Dispersed Jews).

SO - you Protestants adhere to a POST-Christ, POST-Temple OT Canon that was determined by a FALSE Prophet who declared a FALSE Christ.

Here's the worst part: the ONLY reason your Protestant Fathers chose to do this was to further-divorce themselves from the Catholic Church – who had it RIGHT all along!

ANYBODY who wants to look this up and challenge me - PLEASE do so . . .

The seven books you claim were adopted by Catholicism.
THE CANON OF THE OLD TESTAMENT

Hebrew canon.jpg
 

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The seven books you claim were adopted by Catholicism.
THE CANON OF THE OLD TESTAMENT

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Study your history about WHEN they were rejected from the OPEN Jewish Canon - and WHEN that Canon was closed.
Re-read post #195 - then do your homework.

They were never "adopted" by the Catholic Church.
They just weren't thrown OUT.

Like I said - you Protestants adhere to a POST-Christ, POST-Temple OT Canon that was determined by a FALSE Prophet (Akiva) who declared a FALSE Christ (Simon bar Kobba).
 

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Study your history about WHEN they were rejected from the OPEN Jewish Canon - and WHEN that Canon was closed.
Re-read post #195 - then do your homework.

They were never "adopted" by the Catholic Church.
They just weren't thrown OUT.

Like I said - you Protestants adhere to a POST-Christ, POST-Temple OT Canon that was determined by a FALSE Prophet (Akiva) who declared a FALSE Christ (Simon bar Kobba).
BIBLE CANON - JewishEncyclopedia.com
The 24 Books of the Hebrew Bible • Torah.org