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At least listen to our ideas. Most atheists do not say that god does not exist or that we have a god concept in our heads. We have a lack of belief in gods and we only react to other peoples ideas about god.
This is why I have said over and over most atheist do not claim god does not exist.
This is nonsense. People can believe in god and not submit to them. This is not a reason atheists do not believe. Have you actually listened to an atheists views?
Sigh, I don't deny god exists. I believed he existed for a long time for bad reasons. I realized my reasons that are the same as most Christians say they believe are insufficient to believe. You and other Christians need to tell me you know my mind and my experience and say that it is something that it is not to keep your god view in tact in my opinion.
I don't know how the world came into being. I don't have good evidence for any conclusion at this time.
Sigh, we maybe need to review what atheist means?
Saying things are facts because they come from the bible before the bible has been demonstrated to be from god or true is fallacious.
I studies the bible, was in bible classes for years at my church, read many apologetic books, videos and websites etc. I found the arguments sufficient at that time. Such as the argument from design, cosmological argument, ontological argument, seemingly answered prayer, I had a dream once where an angel spoke to me, I believed that my faith was proof as well. I believed the eyewitness accounts in the bible of the resurrection etc. I believed god spoke to me in my thoughts so to speak or with impressions. These are some of the reasons I believed.
I am not put out because people are skeptic of my intentions, I an put out because my ideas are misrepresented all the time here. Such as I deny god exists.
This needs o be confirmed or demonstrated in some way.
I sincerely sought and believed for many years.
when you remove the i there you will be just fine ok.
This is condescending and ridiculous logic.
Look, I'm not playing games, I am really trying to 'hear' you. A self declared atheist who doesn't deny the existence of God seems to me an oxymoron of sorts, sorry.
If you believed , then the reasons were sufficient.
Yet you now say you "don't deny His existence", but that you no longer believe because you haven't sufficient evidence? This is getting very confusing. I think what you will have to explain more fully is what it is precisely that you don't believe if you do not deny God's existence.
God stayed the same. The reasons/evidence stayed the same. Your faith stayed the same until something changed...not the evidence, not God, but Vince changed. There's an old saying...if you don't feel close to God anymore guess who moved.
Not my definition, How about the definition from the dictionary?
You are just ignorant about this subject. Look at my other post about the definition of an atheist.
Then you don't understand the definition of an atheist. Look at my post to bbyrd009 to see how atheists are defined as.
I thought they were at the time. Now with further knowledge and reasoning I don't think they are anymore.
Do you believe the moon is made of cheese? You don't because there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary and no evidence that the claim is true. The same for me with the god claim. I am not convinced god exists the same as you are convinced that the moon is not made of cheese.
No, I realized the evidence was not sufficient to believe. I believed for bad reasons.
This is not what that verse says. It says that what we hope for such as heaven we should be confident in that it says nothing about any evidence. Should we believe things that we cannot see such as the tooth fairy? This verse says nothing about any reason to believe just that you should believe.
No vince, I don't think you are lying at all, just using "atheist" for your own ends?
Did you read my post on the definition of an atheist? Dictionaries have a different definition of atheism that you do. So who is using the definition for their own ends? I am using the term atheist because it accurately describes my stance.
So what is the name given to one who positively asserts there is no god? Just asking.
i don't need any help to understand what a-theist means vince, and you can certainly call yourself whatever you like, ok, don't get me wrong
An atheist. It is in the definition I gave. A person who disbelieves is stating there is no god and is an atheist as well per the definition. Both are part of the definition.
