Sex and the Papacy

[Marymog]

What you are apparently trying to distract from is that these men are in leadership and the Bible is VERY clear about who is and who is not eligible for leadership in churches. Do most RC men sexually abuse children? If not (and I don't believe the average RC man does sexually abuse children) why should they be led by the worst sort of sinners? Jesus Himself had very harsh words for people who would sexually abuse children as well as tempting young teen boys to sin (see Luke 17:2). In the ancient Middle East, the heathens and pagans were guilty of such (and worse) and God routed them out of the Land. He told Israel that if they did such things, that the Land would "vomit" them out as well. Will the RCC "vomit" out these men from their midst?

Hi,

I agree with you, "the Bible is VERY clear about who is and who is not eligible for leadership in churches." The Apostles chose who was "eligible for leadership in churches" by voting for whom they wanted (Acts 1:26, Acts 6:3) and by choosing reliable men to replace them. Those reliable men were to then choose other reliable men (2 Timothy 2:2) and they were to lay hands upon them (1 Timothy 4:14, Acts 13:2) and they were not to take lightly the responsibility of laying hands upon their successor (1 Timothy 5:22). It's called Apostolic Succession.

Today if a person gives a good sermon, looks good on TV and has enough likability or money to start his own church, he is considered a "Church leader". Protestants have denied what Scripture teaches in this matter.

Yes, the RCC has been removing these men from their midst. But I suspect you already knew that if you keep up with the news.

I wonder how many of these "worst of sinners" are leading your Church.....

BTW...I'm not trying to distract from anything. My simple point is whichever of you is without sin you can cast the first stone at those Catholic men. I choose not to throw stones at them. I would like to add Matthew 7:3 to that point also.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

That is called dodging the issue. You as a Catholic should be the first to confront your church and ask the Pope and his prelates why they have been colluding with the evil and perverted priests and bishops by refusing to deal with the scandalous sexual abuses which have already been documented throughout the world. If not, you become partaker of their sins.

Hi Enoch,

I have decided to not PUBLICALLY cast stones by starting a thread on the leaders of Protestant churches sins. Confronting The Church in private and publically casting stones are two different things. You should not conflate the two.

Which "scandalous sexual abuses which have already been documented throughout the world" are YOU talking about? The Protestant ones, Catholic ones or ALL sex abuses? Matthew 7:3

It makes me sad that you and @Lady Crosstalk are joining in the stone throwing and pointing at the speck in someone else's eye. I try to follow all of Scripture. Sure, I fail sometimes, but if someone was to point out when I am failing I would apologize and change my ways.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

The doctrine of 'priestly' celibacy has been responsible for a lot, over the centuries.

It's not a doctrine. There are married Catholic Priest and those men that are celibate choose to be celibate.

This is a good thing according to Scripture: Are you free from a wife? Do not seek marriage. . . . The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs.

I agree with you. It has been responsible for a lot. A lot of GOOD....

 

[Marymog]

Proving my point that not every doctrine is "sound" doctrine.

It's not a doctrine.....

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Read the bible. Forced celibacy cannot be found.

List of sexually active popes - Wikipedia

How many others were never caught?

One of the popes (I forget which one) was killed by the irate husband of a woman the pope seduced.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Read the bible. Forced celibacy cannot be found.

List of sexually active popes - Wikipedia

How many others were never caught?

Forced celibacy and even the making eunuchs of priests was a part of some pagan religions. For the RCC to incorporate forced celibacy suggests more than a little pagan influence on that subject. It has been explained as a way of keeping priests from handing worldly wealth to offspring (no offspring, no one to inherit, it was supposedly thought). But, that would not keep a priest from handing worldly wealth to a nephew or niece.

 

[CoreIssue]

If you wish to be a priest celibacy is required. Take a vow.

Celibacy and the Catholic Church - dummies

One of the popes (I forget which one) was killed by the irate husband of a woman the pope seduced.

Interesting. I never heard that before.

 

[CoreIssue]

Forced celibacy and even the making eunuchs of priests was a part of some pagan religions. For the RCC to incorporate forced celibacy suggests more than a little pagan influence on that subject. It has been explained as a way of keeping priests from handing worldly wealth to offspring (no offspring, no one to inherit, it was supposedly thought). But, that would not keep a priest from handing worldly wealth to a nephew or niece.

Contrary popular beliefs, castration is not in sex drive or the ability to have sex.

 

[Marymog]

If you wish to be a priest celibacy is required. Take a vow.

Not true....

 

[Marymog]

Forced celibacy and even the making eunuchs of priests was a part of some pagan religions. For the RCC to incorporate forced celibacy suggests more than a little pagan influence on that subject. It has been explained as a way of keeping priests from handing worldly wealth to offspring (no offspring, no one to inherit, it was supposedly thought). But, that would not keep a priest from handing worldly wealth to a nephew or niece.

Not true....

 

[CoreIssue]

Not true....

Absolutely true.

Many priests have left Catholicism to marry.

Same with nuns.

 

[Marymog]

Absolutely true.

Many priests have left Catholicism to marry.

Same with nuns.

Celibacy and the Priesthood
Married Catholic priests? There are perhaps 120 in the U.S. already. Here's how

I suspect there will be no apology from you for violating one of Gods commandments.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

If you wish to be a priest celibacy is required. Take a vow.

Celibacy and the Catholic Church - dummies

Interesting. I never heard that before.

I looked him up for you:

"...John XII, elected pope at the age of 18 in AD 955, reigned till 964. He was the son of Alberic II, the Patrician of Rome. [John XII] was rather corrupt, and at some point charges were laid against him: 'They testified about his adultery, which they did not see with their own eyes, but nonetheless knew with certainty: he had fornicated with the widow of Rainier, [then] with Stephana his father's concubine, also with the widow Anna, and even with his own niece. He made the sacred palace into a whorehouse. They said that he had gone hunting publicly; that he had blinded his confessor Benedict, and thereafter Benedict had died; that he had killed John, cardinal sub-deacon, after castrating him; and that he had set fires, girded on a sword, and put on a helmet and cuirass. All, clerics as well as laymen, declared that he had toasted to the devil with wine. They said, when playing at dice he invoked Jupiter, Venus and other demons. They even said he did not celebrate Matins and the canonical hours nor did he make the sign of the cross."

Says wikipedia, "the manner of his death is uncertain, although it was rumored that he was murdered by a jealous husband whose wife had been discovered receiving the sexual affections of the Pope".

 

[Marymog]

If you wish to be a priest celibacy is required. Take a vow.

Here we are....almost a week later and still no apology for lying even after you have been proven to be a liar. How sad.

My prayers are with you....Mary

 

[CoreIssue]

Here we are....almost a week later and still no apology for lying even after you have been proven to be a liar. How sad.

My prayers are with you....Mary

Nothing stopping you from apologizing.

 

[Marymog]

Nothing stopping you from apologizing.

Like a club and a sword and a sharp arrow Is a man who bears false witness against his neighbor.

 

[CoreIssue]

Like a club and a sword and a sharp arrow Is a man who bears false witness against his neighbor.

My witness against Catholicism is true.

 

[CoreIssue]

Celibacy and the Priesthood
Married Catholic priests? There are perhaps 120 in the U.S. already. Here's how

I suspect there will be no apology from you for violating one of Gods commandments.

Most priests were married Episcopal priest that were absorbed into the Roman Catholic Church.

You cannot show me where an unmarried Catholic priest gets married and stays a priest.

 

[Marymog]

Most priests were married Episcopal priest that were absorbed into the Roman Catholic Church.

You cannot show me where an unmarried Catholic priest gets married and stays a priest.

That's not what your original statement was. Sooooo do you wish to modify your statement* to reflect truth? If you wish to be a priest celibacy is required. Take a vow.*

 

[Marymog]

My witness against Catholicism is true.

I just proved one thing you said against Catholicism is a lie and I did it very easily soooooo how is your witness against Catholicism true.....If that statement is a lie.....