LUKE 1:32 THE THRONE OF DAVID

[Doug]

Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

In verse 32 Jesus is identified as being the Son of God.

The same verse declares that Jesus will be given the throne of his father David. Matthew 1:1 speaks of the genealogy of Jesus and that he descends from David.

It was prophesied that Jesus would be given the throne of David and would reign over the earth (Isaiah 9:7 Jeremiah 23:5). His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom.

 

[101G]

Good topic, but the Lord Jesus did not descends from David biologically, but legally, by sheer birth ... right in David house, or linage.
yes, Jesus is God who sits on the throne, as you said it was foretold, Psalms 132:11 "The LORD hath sworn [in] truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne".

and the fruit of David body is Mary, supportive scripture, Romans 1:1 "Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
Romans 1:2 "(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Romans 1:3 "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

the seed of David was the virgin Mary, that same seed God himself declared in Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel". and her seed, or offspring by birth is Christ.

PICJAG.

 

[Davy]

Good topic, but the Lord Jesus did not descends from David biologically, but legally, by sheer birth ... right in David house, or linage.
yes, Jesus is God who sits on the throne, as you said it was foretold, Psalms 132:11 "The LORD hath sworn [in] truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne".

and the fruit of David body is Mary, supportive scripture, Romans 1:1 "Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
Romans 1:2 "(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Romans 1:3 "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

the seed of David was the virgin Mary, that same seed God himself declared in Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel". and her seed, or offspring by birth is Christ.

PICJAG.

Wait a minute. Our Lord's Jesus' bloodline genealogy was from David, since His mother Mary's lineage in Luke 3 is what is given, Heli being her lineage (but only supposed as Joseph's line). Mary's lineage in Luke 3 is from David's son Nathan, not Solomon.

Mary and Elizabeth were from the family of Levi. The lineage in Matthew 1 is Joseph's lineage, not Christ's literal bloodline lineage, but His reckoned lineage by law, since by law one's lineage followed the father's lineage.

 

[101G]

Wait a minute. Our Lord's Jesus' bloodline genealogy was from David, since His mother Mary's lineage in Luke 3 is what is given, Heli being her lineage (but only supposed as Joseph's line). Mary's lineage in Luke 3 is from David's son Nathan, not Solomon.

Mary and Elizabeth were from the family of Levi. The lineage in Matthew 1 is Joseph's lineage, not Christ's literal bloodline lineage, but His reckoned lineage by law, since by law one's lineage followed the father's lineage.

first thanks for the post. second, we're well aware of this. but a bloodline is biological. so my question, "who is the natural Father of the Christ to produce BLOOD?". book chapter and verse please.

PICJAG.

 

[Enoch111]

first thanks for the post. second, we're well aware of this. but a bloodline is biological. so my question, "who is the natural Father of the Christ to produce BLOOD?". book chapter and verse please.

Mary (the biological mother of Jesus) was a descendant of David through Nathan, while Joseph, His foster father was His legal father (according to Jewish law), also descended from David through Solomon. That settles the question of Christ being a "son of David" (descendant of David) and having the right to His throne. God the Father is the Father of His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. The Godhead consists of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (which you oppose at every turn).

At the same time, it is significant that during and after the Millennium, David will actually be "prince" over Israel, while Christ is King over Israel. So "David's throne" has a double meaning.

EZEKIEL 37
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king [JESUS CHRIST] shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
24 And David my servant shall be king [מֶ֣לֶךְ (me·lech) = king or prince] over them; and they all shall have one shepherd [JESUS CHRIST]: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince [נָשִׂ֥יא (na·si) = prince] for ever.

Since the Lord Jesus Christ is also David's "Lord", He is King over David and Israel, and David will be prince of Israel under Him.

 

[101G]

Mary (the biological mother of Jesus)

First ERROR, Mary has no biologial ties to our Lord except surrogacy.

Joseph, His foster father was His legal father (according to Jewish law)

correct, as we said "legally", not biologically

God the Father is the Father of His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. The Godhead consists of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (which you oppose at every turn).

your second ERROR. if what you say is true, please explan this scripture concering who actually sits on the throne.
Psalms 132:11 "The LORD hath sworn [in] truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne". the fruit of David body is Mary, who birthed the Messiah into this world.

here clearly "THE LORD" all cap told David that he will sit on his throne. now either you must consider that the "LORD" is Jesus, or the bible lied, your choice.

Now for Ezekiel 37 you should have read Ezekiel 34 first. Ezekiel 34:23 "And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, [even] my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd". here the "shepherd" over them is the Christ. see, the Lord Jesus is the shepherd King.... :) the name David was mention to siginify this "TITLE" which David as a shepherd was made King. understand, the Lord Jesus is the Good "shepherd", who is King and the prince of Peace. one must understand "foreshadowing".

we hoped this help.

1 Corinthians 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned".

PICJAG

 

[Davy]

first thanks for the post. second, we're well aware of this. but a bloodline is biological. so my question, "who is the natural Father of the Christ to produce BLOOD?". book chapter and verse please.

PICJAG.

The natural Father of course is The Holy Spirit, as we are told in The Gospel. Jesus' conception in Mary's womb did not involve sexual relations.

 

[101G]

The natural Father of course is The Holy Spirit, as we are told in The Gospel. Jesus' conception in Mary's womb did not involve sexual relations.

First thanks for the reply, second thanks for your earnesty, which is found only in a few posters. you are correct the Holy Spirit is the "FATHER". which means he's not some third person. (want get on that). but thanks again for your earnestness in your answer.

just for edification,
just in case if someone would say, "how is the Holy Spirit, who is Spirit, by conception, is the NATURAL Father, just ask the first man ... Adam, who the Holy Ghost conceived him in his Mother womb ... the earth. and Mary is dust also...

as the poster stated, "conception in Mary's womb did not involve sexual relations". for the term conception is not restrected to sexual relations, but the term conception also means, form or devise (a plan or idea) in the mind. well in Genesis we got a perfect example of this when God spoke his mind and all creation came forth.

PICJAG

 

[epostle]

Yep, that ol' Nestorian heresy can be a real pain in the butt for those seeking to deny the HUMANITY OF Christ.

Christotokos no.
Theotokos yes.

 

[Davy]

Yep, that ol' Nestorian heresy can be a real pain in the butt for those seeking to deny the HUMANITY OF Christ.

Christotokos no.
Theotokos yes.

Nor do we need Neo-Platonist influences like Origen.

 

[epostle]

Nor do we need Neo-Platonist influences like Origen.

The discussion is on the identity of Christ, not my signature. My post is a nutshell, referring to the council of Ephesus that resolved this debate in the 4th century.

Sorry you find my signature disturbing.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

as the poster stated, "conception in Mary's womb did not involve sexual relations". for the term conception is not restrected to sexual relations, but the term conception also means, form or devise (a plan or idea) in the mind. well in Genesis we got a perfect example of this when God spoke his mind and all creation came forth.

Galatians 4:26
[26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

What about that womb? The heavenly womb form above, set above all creation that bears the children of God from on High?

 

[101G]

Galatians 4:26
[26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

What about that womb? The heavenly womb form above, set above all creation that bears the children of God from on High?

you gave your own answer, "the mother of us all". us not Jesus.

PICJAC

 

[VictoryinJesus]

you gave your own answer, "the mother of us all". us not Jesus.

PICJAC

Not Jesus? Not sure I understand. He was not born of that Spiritual womb from above? Not saying you are wrong only that I don’t understand. A few things stand out. The dove sent out from the ark found no place of rest until peace returned. John 1:32-33 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. [33] And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

Mark 3:33-34
[33] And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? [34] And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

Hebrews 2:11
[11] For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

Ephesians 6:2
[2] Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise


What Father and mother did He Honour for the commandment to be with promise ...with Spirit. That born of the flesh is flesh. And that born of Spirit is Spirit.

Willing to listen (or read)if you are willing to explain how His mother was not the Jerusalem from above which is free. That mother being “us” only and not Him? Yes...Mary was blessed. But how was He not born from above as the brethren He is not ashamed to call brother.

 

[101G]

the virgin Mary is a natural flesh and blood Mother, the New jerusalem is a figure of all who are re-born, that's all. Revelation 21:2 "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband".

Hebrews 11:16 "But now they desire a better [country], that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city".

understand, spirit vs natural.

PICJAG.