Defending Homosexuality

[Waiting on him]

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   Many on this thread praising God out of one side of their mouth and cursing their fellow man out of the other side seems queer to me.

 

[Nancy]

You display the agape as does Skywriting. There’s a lot of strong evidence that scientific research says homosexuality could be biological. Could be homosexuals have no more control over there distinctions than a child that is born blind.

Hi WOH,
I happen to believe it is biological. I'm not saying there are not some out there who "experiment", because there are plenty. Usually straight couples, looking for a gay woman to take home with them to have a little fun. The woman usually hits on the gay girl while the husband waits patiently at the bar, or a corner table. By the time the girl is plied with enough alcohol, and is enamored by the pretty straight lady, it's let's go time! Yeah, pretty sick, huh? These are the kind of people I see as those spoken about here: "In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."
"Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones."
It seems to me that these men and women had at one time had natural relations with one another but...how can a gay person exchange something that was never "natural" to them to begin with?

"Could be homosexuals have no more control over there distinctions than a child that is born blind.

They don't. It does not make it okay in God's eyes so, the gay Christian has a tough road to travel, as they will have to depend on Gods grace to let them be content celibate. How can anybody, in their right minds ever think that ANYBODY would choose to be something that is despised?? There is NO choosing ones sexual orientation and that is for all people, gay or hetero's. Biological, nurture or nature - either way, God say's no. I wonder if a hetero can turn their orientation on and off at will . Or, I wonder if THEY could remain celibate if told their very strong feelings and emotions are wrong, perverted, and, disgusting, One can say all those things but, it will not change their orientation.
♥

 

[Waiting on him]

Hi WOH,
I happen to believe it is biological. I'm not saying there are not some out there who "experiment", because there are plenty. Usually straight couples, looking for a gay woman to take home with them to have a little fun. The woman usually hits on the gay girl while the husband waits patiently at the bar, or a corner table. By the time the girl is plied with enough alcohol, and is enamored by the pretty straight lady, it's let's go time! Yeah, pretty sick, huh? These are the kind of people I see as those spoken about here: "In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."
"Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones."
It seems to me that these men and women had at one time had natural relations with one another but...how can a gay person exchange something that was never "natural" to them to begin with?

"Could be homosexuals have no more control over there distinctions than a child that is born blind.

They don't. It does not make it okay in God's eyes so, the gay Christian has a tough road to travel, as they will have to depend on Gods grace to let them be content celibate. How can anybody, in their right minds ever think that ANYBODY would choose to be something that is despised?? There is NO choosing ones sexual orientation and that is for all people, gay or hetero's. Biological, nurture or nature - either way, God say's no. I wonder if a hetero can turn their orientation on and off at will . Or, I wonder if THEY could remain celibate if told their very strong feelings and emotions are wrong, perverted, and, disgusting, One can say all those things but, it will not change their orientation.
♥

Many here swing a sword that’s not theirs to swing. They have no idea what Spirit their of. Interesting you used the word despised. It’s who God chooses. Why? That no flesh will glory in his presence.

 

[Nancy]

Many here swing a sword that’s not theirs to swing. They have no idea what Spirit their of. Interesting you used the word despised. It’s who God chooses. Why? That no flesh will glory in his presence.

Yes, many here do just that. I know it is out of ignorance as they really have no clue and have just bought into the let's hate gay's crowd. They've been singled out as being the most awful sinful thing one can be! Yet, ya have sooooooo any others sleeping together as a rule now a days but oh, it's okay cause "at least it's the right sex!!!"

 

[Waiting on him]

Yes, many here do just that. I know it is out of ignorance as they really have no clue and have just bought into the let's hate gay's crowd. They've been singled out as being the most awful sinful thing one can be! Yet, ya have sooooooo any others sleeping together as a rule now a days but oh, it's okay cause "at least it's the right sex!!!"

Clouds without rain

 

[Nancy]

Clouds without rain

Jude 1:12

 

[Waiting on him]

 

[lforrest]

A man enters a church and is welcomed by one of the greeters. "Welcome, its so good to see a new face."

The man responds, "I'm a homosexual, does that matter here?"

"Why no" the greeter responds, "My son is also a homosexual."

The man is encouraged and takes a seat. He introduces himself to his neighbors in the pews. Introductions are exchanged and it comes up. "Do you mind if I sit here? I should let you know I am a homosexual."

One couple is accepting, "Glory to God, you are in good company, we are swingers"

A well dressed older man sitting behind them pipes up while pointing to the husband, "I too am blessed with a gift of the flesh, I've been covetous of him for years."

Then a younger man laughed, "I'm a murderer." He then said with a smile, "But don't tell anyone or I'll kill you too."

 

[aspen]

A man enters a church and is welcomed by one of the greeters. "Welcome, its so good to see a new face."

The man responds, "I'm a homosexual, does that matter here?"

"Why no" the greeter responds, "My son is also a homosexual."

The man is encouraged and takes a seat. He introduces himself to his neighbors in the pews. Introductions are exchanged and it comes up. "Do you mind if I sit here? I should let you know I am a homosexual."

One couple is accepting, "Glory to God, you are in good company, we are swingers"

A well dressed older man sitting behind them pipes up while pointing to the husband, "I too am blessed with a gift of the flesh, I've been covetous of him for years."

Then a younger man laughed, "I'm a murderer." He then said with a smile, "But don't tell anyone or I'll kill you too."

So the homosexual heads for the door

Congregation: “Where are you going brother?”

Homosexual: “Some place where I am treated with respect - where people acknowledge me for the man lover I truly am! Anyone know where the nearest Calvinist, Mountain William, Hell Fire, Love em with the hammer of scripture, humiliation R Us church is?”

 

[Taken]

"Men" are the church leaders in that quote.
And I support Peter's response.

I am well aware, my quote was from Scripture, and Identified, my quote was from scripture.

You introduced ANOTHER QUOTE, of MEN. To which I DO NOT SUPPORT.

So, NOW you have Identified Peter as a Church Leader and say you Agree with Peter's Response.

Peter's Quote Being;

Acts 5:
[29] ...We ought to obey God rather than men.

Do you ALSO SUPPORT what you QUOTED in BOLD, In defense of Marriage BETWEEN SAME SEX Partners, that MEN decided?

Your QUOTE Being;

Supreme Court Declares Same-Sex Marriage Legal In All 50 States

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Stranger]

In Ezekiel 16:48–50, God compares Jerusalem to Sodom, saying "Sodom never did what you and your daughters have done." He explains that the sin of Sodom was that "She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me."

Mathew 10:14-15
If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly I tell you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

Yes, the sin of Sodom was her arrogance and pride and not helping others. And how that is manifested in her being turned over to homosexuality. (Ez. 16:48-50) and (Gen. 19:1-29) go together. They are not opposed to each other.

Yes, Jerusalem was full of the same abominations and worse. And guess what, God destroyed her also.

There is no acceptance of homosexuality by God.

And you didn't answer my question. Do you agree with skywriting that it is ok to be a queer?

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

You display the agape as does Skywriting. There’s a lot of strong evidence that scientific research says homosexuality could be biological. Could be homosexuals have no more control over there dis function than a child that is born blind.

Skywriting does not display 'agape'. He displays lying and perversion.

Could be homosexuality is perversion like the Bible says.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

CrossLady,

Let it go

Love, Aspen

You let it go.

Stranger

 

[Taken]

So the homosexual heads for the door

Congregation: “Where are you going brother?”

Homosexual: “Some place where I am treated with respect - where people acknowledge me for the man lover I truly am! Anyone know where the nearest Calvinist, Mountain William, Hell Fire, Love em with the hammer of scripture, humiliation R Us church is?”

So many TERMS become misconstrewed by Lack of Understanding.

Brotherhood HAS MANY Meanings.

Israel ~ THE PEOPLE are Brothers.
Jews ~ THE PEOPLE are Brothers.
Americans ~ The PEOPLE are Brothers.
Whites ~ The PEOPLE are Brothers.
Blacks ~ The PEOPLE are Brothers.
Chinese ~ The PEOPLE are Brothers.
Hindus ~ The PEOPLE are Brothers.
Muslims ~ The PEOPLE are Brothers.
Unions ~ The PEOPLE are Brothers.
DESCENDANTS ~ The PEOPLE are Brothers.

IT IS:
The BLOOD Lines;
The Races;
The Citizenships;
The Joining of Groups;
...Political Groups;
...Religious Groups;
...Union Governmental Groups;
...Union Workers of Particular Job Groups;

A "BROTHERHOOD", thus can be determined BY Many Factors.

A "RELIGIOUS" "BROTHERHOOD" IS determined.....SPECIFICALLY, BY PRECISELY what the "INDIVIDUAL" "JOINS".

An Individual Walking into a Jewish Synagog, A Christian Church, A Muslim Mosque, A Buddhist Temple.....DOES NOT MAKE that INDIVIDUAL "BROTHERS" WITH the "MEMBERS" (who HAVE JOINED), simple because the Person is IN the Same Building.

Jesus Came to Earth in the Form/ Bodily Likeness as an Earthly man, a Particular man:
A Holy man, A Sinless man, A Faithful to God man, AND A Jewish man.

Every Jew, IS Jesus' BROTHER.

But NOT EVERY Jew, JOINED IN "JESUS' Church"...that JESUS "ESTABLISHSED".

ALL MEN Who Enter a Church that "Jesus Established" ARE NOT MEMBERS of "Jesus' Church", simply because they Entered and sat in the Church.

Until a MAN "JOINS" Christ's Church, such men ARE NOT, "Brothers IN Christ".

Jesus Chose His Disciples, To Learn From Jesus, ABOUT His Established Church, and SENT His Disciples out TO THEIR "JEWISH BROTHERS", TO TEACH JEWS of Jesus' Church, that those Jewish Brothers MAY HEAR, and CHOOSE to "JOIN" Jesus' established Church....AND THOSE Jews, who Heard, and CHOSE to JOIN, became BROTHERS IN Christ, IN Christ's Church.

Jesus Chose Saul, (a son of a Jewish mother), also called Paul, (a son of a Gentile father)...
Also Saul being a Pharisee, (highly knowledgeable in Gods Laws), and Paul, being most WILLING, to Learn of thee Lord Jesus the Christ, as Paul DID SO LEARN, and ACCEPTED the Lord Jesus, and ACCEPTED the Lord Jesus' TASK of TEACHING the GENTILES, of; Thee Jewish God AND Christ the Lord Jesus, Thee Son of God....and establishing WORSHIP buildings, built by Mens hands...
FOR THE PURPOSE, of MEN ...
To Come and Hear the Teachings of Thee Jewish God, and Thee Lord Jesus the Christ Messiah, SENT by God; that MEN may Hear...
AND DECIDE TO CHOOSE to "JOIN" Christ Jesus' Established CHURCH...(or NOT).

Point BEING...
It is the BELIEF of a man and a mans heartfelt Confession;
THAT "God exists, and Jesus IS the Christ Messiah, called the Son of God",
THAT "Establishes" that man "IN BROTHERHOOD" with ALL other men who Have DONE THE SAME.

JESUS' CHURCH, IS NOT A wood, stick, stone and mortar BUILDING, built by hands of men.

JESUS' CHURCH, IS A SPIRITUAL CHURCH.
Jesus IS the Foundation, the Cornerstone, the Head of His Church.
Where the Spirit of Jesus IS, SO ALSO IS HIS Church.

When a "man" JOINS Jesus' Church; Jesus' Spirit IS WITHIN that "man", and SO ALSO, is Jesus' CHURCH "WITHIN" that "man".

And EVERY man WHO is "IN Jesus' Church", "ARE Brothers IN Christ" ~ "IN" His Church.
"THEY" who ARE "BROTHERS IN CHRIST", "ARE" Christ's Church Congregation.

AND BTW...there ARE many men WHO ARE, "brotherhood Members of MAN MADE brick and MORTAL Churches"...."WHO ARE NOT";
Members of Christ's Spiritual Church, "OR" brotherhood Congregation Members of Christ's Church!

A congregation is simply a gathering of people.

Man made Churches, serve more than ONE purpose.
1) It is a place for men who are NOT a member of Christ's Spiritual Church, to come an Hear and Learn About God, and About Jesus the Christ.
2) It is a place for men who ARE a member of Christ's Spiritual Church, to come Gathered TOGETHER in FELLOWSHIP with "THEIR BROTHERS" TO PRAISE and WORSHIP "THEIR" Lord God Almighty.

Point Being; NOT EVERYONE seated in a man made Church, ARE "Brothers IN Christ".

Point Being; A man made Church is NOT established for ....A homosexual, murderer, thief, liar, cheater, unbeliever, sinner...."TO" ENTER and PROUDLY announce their LIFESTYLE choices....."BUT RATHER" to come and HEAR About God, About Christ Jesus...
AND DECIDE for themselves "IF" they want to BECOME "CONVERTED" from their "LIFESTYLE" Choices; TO: Jesus' WAY of LIFE.


So CALLED man made buildings, calling themselves, A Church, with a Cleric, YEILDING, to a SINNERS LIFESTYLE, and PREACHING, THEY CAN BECOME CONVERTED IN CHRIST, WHILE Promoting, Fostering AND MAINTAINING their SINFUL LIFESTYLE....

"IS Changing THE TRUTH INTO A LIE" and Corrupt on its face.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[SkyWriting]

I am well aware, my quote was from Scripture, and Identified, my quote was from scripture.

You introduced ANOTHER QUOTE, of MEN. To which I DO NOT SUPPORT.

So, NOW you have Identified Peter as a Church Leader and say you Agree with Peter's Response.

Peter's Quote Being;

Acts 5:
[29] ...We ought to obey God rather than men.

Do you ALSO SUPPORT what you QUOTED in BOLD, In defense of Marriage BETWEEN SAME SEX Partners, that MEN decided?

Your QUOTE Being;



Glory to God,
Taken

This is Peter, telling the High Priest and the Sanhedrin council to not meddle in business they had no authority over:

27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council. And the high priest questioned them, 28 saying, “We strictly charged you not to teach in this name, yet here you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and you intend to bring this man's blood upon us.” 29 But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men. 30 The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree. 31 God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.”

God says to obey all Secular authority and law:

1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3
1 Timothy 2
Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Romans 13:7
1 Timothy 2
Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Revelation 1
Romans 13:4
Proverbs 21
John 19:11
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 29
Proverbs 8:15
Psalms 94:20
Deuteronomy 28
Daniel 2:21
John 19:10-11
Colossians 1:15-17


There is no tagline......"Unless you think God is telling you different." on each of these passages.

In two instances where authority was ignored, entire families were fed to the lions in one case (But the king punishes the people who conspired against Daniel—not only the satraps and presidents, but their wives and children are chucked into the lions' den. The lions start to devour them and crunch their bones before they even hit the floor. ) , and the other entire nations including perhaps the person reatives, were chopped into chunks of meat. Given those consequences, it would be better to follow authority than have 1000's of others put to death because you needed to follow your heart. If you need to follow you heart and have all unbelievers chopped to pieces, I will forgive your actions. But don't expect everyone to make your same decision.

 

[Taken]

The crowds at the door represented the queer culture. Yes, the whole culture. To satisfy their queer desires. Being a queer was highlighted in the actions you just described.

Stranger

Correct.
A man can not Embrace, Foster, Perpetuate, Advocate for, Accept and Embrace his Sin, and truthfully claim he is Converted IN Christ.

Sodom was a city that Embraced, Accepted and Perpetuated Sexual Desires and Acts Between men and WHY but a few were TOLD to Leave, and the City and it's men corrupted IN Sin destroyed.

AND....Little buildings, build by men, who embrace, accept and perpetuate Sexual Desires and Acts between men....are likened to the Same as was Sodom.

"OP" ---> Defending Homosexuality?
Pfft! Christ the Lord didn't; nor should a man IN Christ.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

This is Peter, telling the High Priest and the Sanhedrin council to not meddle in business they had no authority over:

27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council. And the high priest questioned them, 28 saying, “We strictly charged you not to teach in this name, yet here you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and you intend to bring this man's blood upon us.” 29 But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men. 30 The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree. 31 God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.”

God says to obey all Secular authority and law:

1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3
1 Timothy 2
Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Romans 13:7
1 Timothy 2
Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Revelation 1
Romans 13:4
Proverbs 21
John 19:11
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 29
Proverbs 8:15
Psalms 94:20
Deuteronomy 28
Daniel 2:21
John 19:10-11
Colossians 1:15-17

The Question posed to YOU, was not complicated, nor required a list of Biblical Verses.

Simply YES OR NO...
Do you Support Homosexual Marriage?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Episkopos]

I think you get my meaning, in spite of my modern slang.
In the days when scripture condemned homosexuals, they could not marry
and so all same sex intimacies were considered both Fornication and adultery.

But just as God has forgiven us for having more than one sex partner in our lifetime, and allows and forgives divorce and re-marriage, and forgives people for not marrying virgins...and we no longer stone adulterous participants.

In the same way same sex partners are not stoned to death today.

Romans 13
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment...Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

Supreme Court Declares Same-Sex Marriage Legal In All 50 States

I see you as being partially right. You have braved the slings and arrows of a certain element on this forum...a lynching mentality that shows how little grace is understood by these. You have exposed a judgmental attitude in people that are really saying "I am under the law" and that avoids obvious truth like "judge not lest you be judged". So you have exposed a lack of love in these people. A lack of grace and a hypocrisy since these claim to be under grace while their open hatred shows otherwise.

But have you considered that obeying the government in every case is also taking things too far?

What of..."We should obey God and not men?"

Acts 5:29
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

So there are limits to what the government does in direct approval of God. Otherwise the church follows the world rather than the other way around. The world becomes the light to the church rather than the church being a light to the world.
I agree that we are not to be a light by bringing in laws and judging people by the law.

We are to attract people to be reconciled to God by grace.

We are indeed being tested by God to see who will be hypocritical in judging others...but also who will go too far in condoning immorality as normal.

The way is narrow indeed.

There is another "Way." The way of the love of God that says...let he who is without sin cast the first stone. As Jesus did. The challenge is to be spiritual in Christ and be as Jesus in the world.

The government laws reflect a lack of light in the church. A lack of grace. YES...grace. We claim to be under grace yet show we are not by our actions.

So we are indeed missing the bigger picture. What is needed is repentance by conviction of the Spirit...not law. Like the woman who cried at the feet of Jesus. That was NOT by law.

If we truly had God in our midst then...

1 Cor. 14:25 The secrets of their hearts are brought to light. When that happens, they will fall on their faces and worship God, proclaiming out loud that truly God is among you!

The church needs to learn from scratch what it means to be a light in the world. It has lost it's way.

We need a NEW element. We need to have God among us. We've tried it the carnal way. It doesn't work.

 

[SkyWriting]

The Question posed to YOU, was not complicated, nor required a list of Biblical Verses.

Simply YES OR NO...
Do you Support Homosexual Marriage?

Glory to God,
Taken

I don't control your questions, and as a result, you simply don't control my answers.
Absolutely Yes. My cousin has two awesome boys in college and a great partner. And my sister was married to a guy I suspect was gay, and she is better off without him. I don't want gay men out on the prowl experimenting with being pushed into bad marriages because CHRISTIANS only want heterosexual couples in their neighborhood and churches.

 

[Stranger]

Correct.
A man can not Embrace, Foster, Perpetuate, Advocate for, Accept and Embrace his Sin, and truthfully claim he is Converted IN Christ.

Sodom was a city that Embraced, Accepted and Perpetuated Sexual Desires and Acts Between men and WHY but a few were TOLD to Leave, and the City and it's men corrupted IN Sin destroyed.

AND....Little buildings, build by men, who embrace, accept and perpetuate Sexual Desires and Acts between men....are likened to the Same as was Sodom.

"OP" ---> Defending Homosexuality?
Pfft! Christ the Lord didn't; nor should a man IN Christ.

Glory to God,
Taken

Yes. I am amazed at people who call themselves Christian can attempt to support homosexuality. It shows the degree the Church has fallen.

Stranger