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Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality Forum' started by oldhermit, Mar 8, 2019.

  1. oldhermit

    oldhermit Active Member

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    With the exponential rise of defenders of homosexuality in the world, I cannot help but wonder how it is that many who claim to be of the Christian community can defend this lifestyle so fervently. I suppose I will never be able to understand why anyone who claims to be a Christian can feel comfortable defending that which God has condemned.
     
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  2. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Cognitive dissonance
     
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    Can a person take full responsibility for their action when the sin nature is the rulership from within ?
    When people believe no one can live above all sin, then which one is OK to do ? do we get to choose ?
    So how far can a person go to condemn another person for the sinful flesh, if they have sinful flesh also ?

    If you believe you are born with a sin nature.
    Then maybe that is how some can justify Homosexuality as equal to any other sin.
     
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    bbyrd009 Groper

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    If I am "two men in a bed" I'm more interested in what "homospiritual" might mean than homosexual tbh. I don't know, but I suspect the second is a manifestation of the first

    imo "prophets gone a'whoring" is also a valid consideration here
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Home will spirituality translates to the fire.
     
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    Some Sins are punishable by death we see in the OT, so not all Sins are of the same value you know, not to mention that Jesus did not come to abolish the Law, not one iota of it, but to fulfil it. so they are in grave Sin and such can not enter into the Kingdom of God, because they can not enter because they are a curse, not to mention that they will can not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, because they are going to Hell.

    The Sin nature does condemn you, so why just sit back and abide in such, that's what you are peddling there.
    One must take Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, abiding in him only. as that's the way of Salvation, the way that you propose is the wide Gate. Jesus is about a narrow Gate.
     
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    "ByGrace" Well-Known Member

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    Haven't seem you for a while!

    This is one subject that I will not even pretend that I can give an answer to. I have gone in circles on it.

    I do not understand it. I know three such "Christians" who have come out in that life style. One now 58 that I myself lead to the Lord at age 14.
    Beautiful , gentle Christian boy. Always in our house..even dropped by our kitchen with his brother on the way to school ..( same age as my own daughters..) He 'came out' about a decade ago...but had 'been in it for a decade before that. :(

    I find it gut wrenching and confusing...
    I don't understand how Sodomite and Christian came be in the same sentence. I don't "understand" the none Christians...but the ones ( I know three, ) who still attend meetings and go by "Christian" I shake my head...and yes, they all have partners , two are actually married.

    I think it is a ponderable that has no answer.

    And no Reggie B, we are not still in the Old Covenant...lets talk, if we are talking, of and in, the New Covenant . I believe some are already "in" hell.
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    The seven churches of Revelation give a pretty good answer as to why.

    And the new covenant to the houses of Israel and Judah still future. It does not kick in until the second coming.
     
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    I have to admit that I get kind of exasperated at listening to some of you "Holier Than Thou" Self-Righteous people who I feel are lying through your teeth, possibly thinking that will make God less able to see you for who and what you are.

    I hate (absolutely do despise) the organized Homosexual agenda, as a whole. And, I have been fortunate not to have any queers in my family. BUT, I can tell you, 100%, that I would not turn my back on a beloved family member (my baby sister, for instance) who came out of the closet, just because of that admission.

    Some of you say, "Well, neither would I... as long as they immediately denied any feelings, and never again looked at someone of the same sex.

    Well, life doesn't work that way. And it may take years — decades — of struggling with them through their battle. (I said "struggling WITH" them not AGAINST them) And, you know what, they may go to their deathbed, never having beaten that demon.

    I feel so sad for, not you people who so rigidly resist any compassion for these people—even your own family members—who have this particular monkey on their backs, but for those you say you would ostracize. We really should be able to muster some of that kind of concern for even the most painted-up flaming faggot wearing diapers on a Gay Pride float.

    My own brother has been in prison five times for drugs. He can't seem to quit. But, as much as it hurts, I will be holding his hand till the end. (And I am pretty sure you already know I do not just accept the crap he does... and he knows it all too well.) I believe I can say the same about any homosexuals who may also need the same kind of support and help from me.
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    Connection with others leads them back on the path to salvation - thanks for this post, Willie
     
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    Excellent @Willie T
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    We don't accept the crap...but we "see them", and love them.

    Who knows, we never walked where they walked, and, Except for the grace of God go I ....

    Only God has all the answers ...I sure don't.
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Reject the sin of the sinner.

    The Bible says the smallest sin condemns, homosexuality, as an example, is against the flesh and a very serious.

    We are to try to get them out of its never embrace it in anyway.

    I had to confront it as mayor. They wanted full acceptance of the lifestyle which I refused to do.
     
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    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    You see, it is the "agenda" of which you are speaking there at the end, and I will resist that forever.

    But. If a gay person asks me to try to understand the actual (to them) love they feel for another of the same sex, I honestly don't think I could generate enough callousness to tell them they and their feelings are filthy, and that God hates them for it.

    It may take some difficult and tedious time and some inventive solutions from The Holy Spirit, but I think that is how God would expect me to work with them.
     
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    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    Dr. Larry Crabb wrote a book with that same name, "Connecting". It is reviled by some "Christians", but it was a beautiful gift from a Psychologist friend, and I have found it so worthwhile.

    I have a seven-page review of it if anyone would like to read it.
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Of course attacking does not work.

    Neither of those embracing their homosexuality work.

    Each case has to be treated differently.

    For the callous ones you have to be blunt and walk away. Hope that you planted a seed that someone else can water.

    For the more open get them talking and let them take the lead you slowly influencing from the side.

    Odds of success? Less than 10%.

    But no success is not failure. You tried.
     
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    Just remember psychiatry rejects God and sin. Perversion and choice are not in their vocabularies.
     
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    You have my email address :)
     
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    I really do not care what the world does or accepts. I expect the world to behave this way. It is no surprise when the world behave ungodly, but when it begin to be embraced, accepted, and defended by the Christian community, then that is another matter entirely. For those who may not know any better, defending homosexuality is nothing more than a rationalization process by which people attempt to normalize deviant choices that cannot be justified through any legitimate psychological exercise. This is simply an attempt to placate a conscience that cannot harmonize the thing one desires and the moral limitations that prohibit the behavior. Homosexuality is not a biological issue. it is a sin issue. It is not socially acceptable behavior, it is a social and moral disgrace. Homosexuality is not an illness nor is it some type of genetic abnormality. Homosexuals are NOT born gay. That argument is nothing more than an attempt to appeal to the scientific community and call them as a witness against the word of God to defend this perverted behavior. Homosexuality is a learned behavior and a matter of choice, not a predilection. There is no "pride" in it, nor should it be afforded any measure of dignity. IT IS SIN, and in the end, it will destroy all who engage in it or stand in its defense. Attempting to explain it away scientifically is nothing more than an attempt to excuse the behavior and marginalize its shame. Yes, we are to love the sinner but, we are not permitted to accept the sinner on his or her own terms. Sin must be repented of and put aside. That is called repentance. Without that, there is no association with God no mater what the person may claim.

    I saw this posted some time back on face book and it is absolutely true. It is a simple matter of facts.
    (Roughly quoted from a post on “The Federalist Papers” website, May 28, 2018. Words in red were added by me.)
    1. In a sexual species, there are only two sexes, male and female.
    2. 99.93% of humans have either XX or XY sex chromosomes (the rest is mutation).
    3. Being one sex but thinking you are another is not a biological issue, it is a psychological disorder.
    4. Mandating a widespread enabling of a psychological disorder is a sociopathy.
     
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    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    And, I say that to the callous ones, "Yes" we often have to be blunt while making sure that they feel comfortable knowing that we will still continue to be no more than a phone call away.
     
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    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    The review is on the way.
     
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