All the ELECT please stand up

[bbyrd009]

In every place, it speaks to the truth of God granting repentance to ppl. Fallen ppl can not repent because they will not. And they will not repent because they hate Him

look youre technically perfect there imo ok, 4.0, only i wouldnt be expecting God to be "granting" rebound in the way that is in your mind there maybe ok. hopefully made that clear at some point in here. "The fallen" are the only ones who can rebound, too, right, and etc. If you got a fave there we could cross-examine it bro, but 1+1 is trying to equal 3 there k. "because this and that and this, then that" is like a step too far i bet ok

 

[bbyrd009]

When you study church history the eras are easy to recognize, and they are IN ORDER.

ha is those files or rows i wonder
lol

If they were in any other order, they wouldn't match history.

Ha! So you say, ok
not sure when a little revision was never good for the um...agenda, anyway, but ok

Do you think you might become an Immortal at some point in the future, like after you have died maybe ?

 

[bbyrd009]

I am sure that periods of history have demonstrated various of the tendencies in the different letters to the churches of Asia. Having travelled widely also I guess I would also reckon that some of the tendencies can be latent in some parts of the world and very present in others, at the same time. It's a series of warnings against all sorts of tendencies, really, for all those who profess.

^
even hegelians can be spot on
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[brakelite]

I still haven't seen an explanation from anyone informing us of how they know God has chosen them specifically to be a part of the elect...which this thread was prompted from. And this....

They oppose the true gospel at every turn.

Prompts me to ask another question...if we are in fact opposing the true gospel, can you explain why God is revealing Himself in and through us anyway? Even though we are opposing Him at every turn? Does He free people from sin who continue to oppose the very message that saved them?

 

[CNKW3]

Matthias and Joseph mentioned in Exhibit 7 are described as:

"Therefore it is necessary that of the men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us - beginning with the baptism of John until the day that He was taken up from us - one of these [must] become a witness with us of His resurrection." So they put forward two men, Joseph called Barsabbas (who was also called Justus), and Matthias.
(Acts 1:21-23)

The phrase "accompanied us all the time" puts at least two more people than the twelve at the supper covered in John chapters 13-17.

That phrase does not mean certain individuals NEVER left Jesus side in three years. Here is your proof..
Matthew 26:18-20 And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples. And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover. Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.
Too many people add things to the text that is not there, like the word “alone”. You added to the text above to try and make it help your doctrine.

"The Audience of Lord Jesus for John 14:16 and John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread)

is true and valid based on scripture, and this is the post that includes the above referenced Exhibit 7. Said post exposes CKNW3's deception, error, and misinterpretation of scripture. You really need to read the Said post instead of dismissing then spouting off false doctrine, and @Nancy binds to CKNW3 false teachings with the "like"!

This is clear, perhaps it is distasteful to you: It appears that CKNW3, according to CKNW3's logic - which is truly illogic, it appears that CKNW3 claims that CKNW3 can choose Jesus that which Jesus said the Apostles could not do therefore CKNW3 considers CKNW3 more capable than the Apostles - according to CKNW3 illogic. CKNW3's deceit condemns CKNW3.

The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time!

No, I have proven that he was sitting with and talking to THE TWELVE at that time. He promised THE TWELVE that they would receive a helper to guide them into ALL truth. Theo oh way we are guided into truth is when we read and study what they wrote. That is how it works..
Who did he promise the power in acts 1:8?

 

[SovereignGrace]

I agree with the above. But even slaves can want to be free. Cannot God respond to such a desire? A desire to be free from sin, hopelessness, and despair. You make it sound like everyone loves sin, and has no desire to be free. That is not the case. Particularly after hearing the good news that it is possible in Christ to be free.

But remember, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.[2 Corinthians 4:4] Those who are enslaved to sin and Satan can not comprehend the marvelous gospel of the Christ. Furthermore, But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.[1 Corinthians 2:14] The natural man that Paul was referring to is the lost. The lost are enslaved to sin and Satan, have their minds blinded so that they can not comprehend this glorious gospel. And I’ll close here(ETA: I said I’d close here, but didn’t, sorry, other things came to my mind I needed to post), For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, “I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE, AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE.” Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.[1 Corinthians 1:18-21] You can see Paul showing two classes of ppl here. Those who are perishing and those who are saved. Those who are perishing consider the word of the cross as foolishness. Why? 1 Corinthians 2:14 & 2 Corinthians 4:4. It is because Satan has their minds blinded they can’t grasp this glorious gospel. Unless God overthrows him and takes control of their lives, they will never come to receive the truth.

Look at this Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.[2 Thessalonians 2:8-10] During the tribulation the antichrist will cause many to be deceived. He will cause them to not receive the truth so they could be saved. This goes back to 2 Corinthians 4:4.

But Paul encourages them at Thessalonica when he wrote But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth. It was for this He called you through our gospel, that you may gain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouthor by letter from us.[2 Thessalonians 2:13-15] We see election, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation, sanctification, sanctification by the Spirit, justification, faith in the truth, effectual calling/irresistible grace, It was for this He called you through our gospel, and even glorification I believe, that you may gain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

All of this is done for the elect. The rest He justly leaves in their fallen state, to await judgment.

 

[Kermos]

That phrase does not mean certain individuals NEVER left Jesus side in three years. Here is your proof..
Matthew 26:18-20 And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples. And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover. Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.
Too many people add things to the text that is not there, like the word “alone”. You added to the text above to try and make it help your doctrine.
...snip

You are mistaken for Matthew 26:18-20 does not indicate that ONLY the twelve were present.

"The Righteous Sovereignty of God Post" (in this thread), "The Audience of Lord Jesus for John 14:16 and John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread), and "Matthias and Joseph in Exhibit 7 with the Lord Jesus and the Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread) contain the Truth.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I still haven't seen an explanation from anyone informing us of how they know God has chosen them specifically to be a part of the elect...which this thread was prompted from. And this....

Prompts me to ask another question...if we are in fact opposing the true gospel, can you explain why God is revealing Himself in and through us anyway? Even though we are opposing Him at every turn? Does He free people from sin who continue to oppose the very message that saved them?

You’re promoting a gospel of works. If they do their part, then God saves them. If they don’t do their part, then He won’t. You guys put the onus of salvation on fallen man, who hates God and will never seek Him.

 

[CNKW3]

The way they attempt to get around their non existence early on is by pointing to verses that say "churches of Christ" and then give an accomplished retort. Romans 16:16 is one example.

One hit me with this as proof you have to have the right name on the building and it had to be from the Bible, and therefore they are the only true church, and the bible proves it. I showed him a verse that said "church of God" and asked what about that? Acts 20:28 for instance. He said "You're trying to confuse me!" Lolzzzz. Nope.

He and his wife began attending our church at that point. They weren't even in a church at all.

Church of God or church of Christ? They are one and the same. and no, it is not about a sign on a building. It’s about letting people know who you belong to. Do you belong to the baptist? The Methodist? The community? No, we belong to Christ or God.
Jn 17:10 Jesus said what are thine are mine and what are mine are thine as he was speaking to the father.
If you have a meeting place for worship then a sign does help. If it says St. Mary’s Catholic...I know I’m not going in. If it says first baptist? I know I’m not going in, because I know what will be taught in both buildings. I know how they are organized and I know how they operate and you can’t find it in the church that Jesus built....the church of Christ.

 

[CNKW3]

You are mistaken for Matthew 26:18-20 does not indicate that ONLY the twelve were present.

"The Righteous Sovereignty of God Post" (in this thread), "The Audience of Lord Jesus for John 14:16 and John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread), and "Matthias and Joseph in Exhibit 7 with the Lord Jesus and the Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread) contain the Truth.

Ok, so Jesus just made everybody else stand up. What a guy!
The lengths people go to!!

 

[Kermos]

To "accept" or "choose" is through free will. Sorry if you are blind to that, but many are blind and lead other blind folk into the ditch with them. Ah vey!

CharismaticLady indicates that she chooses Jesus.

Jesus says that people do not choose Him (John 15:16 recorded in the Holy Bible).

Jesus, being Lord and God (John 20:28), is Truth (John 14:6)

The logical conclusion is that CharismaticLady deceives herself by her choice to worship that which is not truly Lord Jesus!

Do not follow CharismaticLady's doctrine of man into the pit - for the blind lead the blind into the pit (Luke 6:39).

"you did not choose Me, but I chose you"
(Jesus Christ's words, John 15:16)

 

[SovereignGrace]

CharismaticLady indicates that she chooses Jesus.

Jesus says that people do not choose Him (John 15:16 recorded in the Holy Bible).

Jesus, being Lord and God (John 20:28), is Truth (John 14:6)

The logical conclusion is that CharismaticLady deceives herself by her choice to worship that which is not truly Lord Jesus!

Do not follow CharismaticLady's doctrine of man into the pit - for the blind lead the blind into the pit YYY

"you did not choose Me, but I chose you"
(Jesus Christ's words, John 15:16)

They do this via their me will. Free will = me will.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

I still haven't seen an explanation from anyone informing us of how they know God has chosen them specifically to be a part of the elect...which this thread was prompted from.

You've been shown, you just make pretense to not have seen it. Why do you and others play this game in every thread that refutes your beliefs, and where we provide Biblical answers, yet act like you haven't seen it? Then there is the fact that you and the others use Scripture out of context, and won't bat an eye when we prove you misuse it. Are you that proud bro that you cannot receive correction, and cannot admit when you've been refuted, and answered?

 

[SovereignGrace]

I still haven't seen an explanation from anyone informing us of how they know God has chosen them specifically to be a part of the elect...<snip>

Because God drew me to Himself and revealed His Son in me.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

CharismaticLady indicates that she chooses Jesus.

Jesus says that people do not choose Him (John 15:16 recorded in the Holy Bible).

Jesus, being Lord and God (John 20:28), is Truth (John 14:6)

The logical conclusion is that CharismaticLady deceives herself by her choice to worship that which is not truly Lord Jesus!

Do not follow CharismaticLady's doctrine of man into the pit - for the blind lead the blind into the pit (Luke 6:39).

"you did not choose Me, but I chose you"
(Jesus Christ's words, John 15:16)

But she's a really nice lady so we should just overlook her heresy, her bearing false witness, and pat her on the back. Everything will turn out OK.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Church of God or church of Christ? They are one and the same. and no, it is not about a sign on a building. It’s about letting people know who you belong to. Do you belong to the baptist? The Methodist? The community? No, we belong to Christ or God.
Jn 17:10 Jesus said what are thine are mine and what are mine are thine as he was speaking to the father.
If you have a meeting place for worship then a sign does help. If it says St. Mary’s Catholic...I know I’m not going in. If it says first baptist? I know I’m not going in, because I know what will be taught in both buildings. I know how they are organized and I know how they operate and you can’t find it in the church that Jesus built....the church of Christ.

Funny how they weren’t around until Alexander Campbell and the Restoration Movement. There is no history of any Churches of Christ before then.

 

[CNKW3]

The Churches of Christ were not in existence until Alexander Campbell and some others in the “Restoration Movement” started them. These churches were called Campbellites for a reason, youse nose?

There were no Churches of Christ in England at any time. I guess of those died lost, eh?

The majority of the world will die lost. A large, large, majority. The church of Christ has existed for 2000 years whether you’ve seen a sign or not. Were you in England around 1500, 1600? So, you can tell us for a fact that nobody was a part of the church of Christ in all of England? What about other parts of Europe? Were you there? Give us a witness..
I’ve never seen a church that said “campbellite church”. One thing is verifiable....there were designations of the church of Christ in North America wayyyy before any Campbell stepped foot on the continent. That is verifiable.

 

[SovereignGrace]

But she's a really nice lady so we should just overlook her heresy, her bearing false witness, and pat her on the back. Everything will turn out OK.

Did you read my post #466?

 

[SovereignGrace]

The majority of the world will die lost. A large, large, majority. The church of Christ has existed for 2000 years whether you’ve seen a sign or not. Were you in England around 1500, 1600? So, you can tell us for a fact that nobody was a part of the church of Christ in all of England? What about other parts of Europe? Were you there? Give us a witness..
I’ve never seen a church that said “campbellite church”. One thing is verifiable....there were designations of the church of Christ in North America wayyyy before any Campbell stepped foot on the continent. That is verifiable.

Proof?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Did you read my post #466?

No, but I will.
Wait, yes, I read it.