And Be Found In Him

[soul man]

Phillippians 3:8-9,

8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

I can't get away from these verses in phillippians. In study I see Paul giving a great understanding to us that are in Christ. He being a man that at one time was blameless in the law, describes what it means to be in Christ. "In Christ" is the only place you can find righteousness. In another place in scripture Paul said
2 Cor. 5:21

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Most of us grew up with some kind of denominational back ground. I personally started out as a child in one, then did my time in the world with no God knowledge, no ones fault but my own. In time and hell came into a new denomination for a while. One thing you must understand! It doesn't matter what you have been through or where you have been! It was all necessary to get you exactly where you are today.

All things work for your good, as well as all things are of God. So if you bad mouth anything in your past it really is'nt necessary, they were your teachers, governors and tutors (circumstances and situations), Gal. 4:1-2.

What is paul talking about when he says "and be found in him." To be found in Christ is a personal knowledge that you are giving your mind to Christ. There was a time I didn't really feel like I had been to church if there was no shouting and someone jumped up and got excited. Why was that! It makes you feel good, but the point is; what about the times your not in a feel good position, what then.

Being found "in him" you need nothing to make you who you are, you don't have to shout the devil down to feel good. You will not live by your feelings, you have a new life and will not need it to be propped up by some outer action. Men and women are good examples and the number one classroom in the schoolhouse. These two opposites trying to figure out life and live it. You will need to be "found in him." It is natural for the flesh to be weak, very needful, most of the time never satisfied and looking for something that does not even exist outside of being "found in him."

Can you see why Christians can have the same problems as the world and alot of times worse. You can be "in Christ" and not be "found in him." Your mind has never been given to learn Christ, you love God and probably do alot of good things to further the ministry, but have never been "found in him." Being found in Christ is a conscious effort to learn Christ. You give time to him, you study, you read, you seek, and wait on God knowing there is a revelation just for you of the Christ in you.

You listen to the Spirit, I don't know all the ways to tell you to be "found in him" but the Spirit can and will. The Dove of God is your instructor, not man, Christians should shut themselves away with the Lord and not come out until they know they are "found in him."

 

[Episkopos]

"In Christ" is the only place you can find righteousness.

In Christ is the only place you can find a righteousness that is not your own.

Don't be adding in ideas that aren't there. It is a good thing to BE righteous. But our righteousness is insufficient for what God wants to do with mankind. To make us like Christ.

Only in Him can we walk as Jesus walked without sin. THAT is righteousness on GOD's level. :)

Walking in righteousness is good. To do what we can do to the right is both commendable and acceptable to God. But to be perfect one must enter into He who perfected humanity by a walk in HIMSELF.

Walk in Him!

Col. 2:6 Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,

So then as we have Christ in us...let us go to God and further enter into Him so that we might have His power ON us. And bear much fruit to the praises of His name.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

You can be "in Christ" and not be "found in him."

I understand everything you've said here. This part I quoted is the only thing I have been helped to see differently.

When we are born from above, we receive the Holy Spirit. He is then in us.
But this doesn't immediately become us remaining in Him. (As you've said, you give up your mind to Him - to be found in Him, you give up your life.) Your mind, all the rights the world says you have, etc. You learn to give up your own life of pride for everyone else, for your brothers.

I don't know how long that takes. Paul seems to have learned and done it in 3 years. I waffled and went back and forth, very unstable, for a long time, giving up little pieces of my life at a time. Much longer than 3 years. More recently, for about a year I think, I kept seeing that I had a great lack of love. It was disturbing of course. I kept saying, Lord, I see that I am cold in my heart. I lack love. I don't know how you will fix this, but I have at least learned to trust You to give me what I lack.

I believe He has begun to work on this. He has given me a small group of people to (I think) give me this and help teach me this. I will have to say: to be continued, regarding it.

There is a frightening aspect about it, but I have deleted that part. I have finally learned to just trust Him, so that's what I will keep doing, just practicing trust at all times.

 

[faithfulness]

There is a frightening aspect about it, but I have deleted that part. I have finally learned to just trust Him, so that's what I will keep doing, just practicing trust at all times.

Amen. Me too. I put my head on the chopping block but rest it on His chest as John the beloved.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

What scares you most about it faithfulness? Or do you not want answer in the open?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I'm asking, in entering a fellowship with others, what are your fears?

 

[faithfulness]

What scares you most about it faithfulness? Or do you not want answer in the open?

SBG: I think it's the balance that Episkopos has brought out in his posts...the fear and love aspect of God...knowing that He is God! Not me. (Not I). And He will do as pleases Him. And whatever He does is for my good, and according to His plan and purpose for me. Not mine. I don't wish to thwart that. The fear of Him lately has caused me to love Him unconditionally? I hope that's the Word.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Ah, yes, I think your fear is the same as mine....

You said, I put my head on the chopping block, and I thought, that means facing the fear of possibly being betrayed, if you know what is in men.

But then you said I don't want to thwart that, which is to see what is in yourself. So that is fear of being a betrayer or hinderer or thwarter.

It seems with everything I have asked God for (which is correct to do-see what you lack and then ask for it) it has not come to me as I expected. It always involves (with me) failing and falling, getting back up, sometimes failing and falling again, then getting back up. I think it is maybe just how it works, like learning to ride a bicycle maybe.

But I also think if we don't see ourselves as where we aren't and what we arent, our fear of falling again won't happen. Because it's pride that comes before a fall, not humility.

I read something recently, I'm pretty sure it was Nancy who posted it. She said thank goodness He doesn't give us what we aren't ready for And can't be trusted with.

And if we've taken some falls due to pride, we can trust Him that He let that happen before He gave us something more precious. I believe that. When we are ready, He entrusts more precious things to us. He gets the timing right. So I think we can trust and just let go of fear.

 

[faithfulness]

But then you said I don't want to thwart that, which is to see what is in yourself. So that is fear of being a betrayer or hinderer or thwarter.

Yes! SBG. Before I even finish reading your post...I see 'self' in everything! In my most exalted prayers for crying out loud :) love you sis! Great minds think alike :)

 

[stunnedbygrace]

why am I just tickled to death every time someone calls me sister? I will get used to it. It makes my heart leap. :)

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Love you too sis.

 

[marks]

What is paul talking about when he says "and be found in him."

Hi soul man,

Good stuff!

Some thoughts on this part above . . .

I think Paul is saying he wants to, at the end, have righteousness which comes through faith in God, and not find that he's been trying to build his own righteousness, instead, be found in Christ, having Christ's righteousness, again, not by virtue of what he's done, but in Whom he has believed.

My understanding of this word translated "found" is to arrive to find a certain thing exists, that when the time comes, when I'm found, I'm actually "in Christ"; or to learn something by searching, or testing, that when the time comes I'm discovered to be "in Christ" and His righteousness, rather than "in my own righteousness", which isn't really.

Much love!
Mark

 

[marks]

Ah, yes, I think your fear is the same as mine....

You said, I put my head on the chopping block, and I thought, that means facing the fear of possibly being betrayed, if you know what is in men.

But then you said I don't want to thwart that, which is to see what is in yourself. So that is fear of being a betrayer or hinderer or thwarter.

It seems with everything I have asked God for (which is correct to do-see what you lack and then ask for it) it has not come to me as I expected. It always involves (with me) failing and falling, getting back up, sometimes failing and falling again, then getting back up. I think it is maybe just how it works, like learning to ride a bicycle maybe.

But I also think if we don't see ourselves as where we aren't and what we arent, our fear of falling again won't happen. Because it's pride that comes before a fall, not humility.

I read something recently, I'm pretty sure it was Nancy who posted it. She said thank goodness He doesn't give us what we aren't ready for And can't be trusted with.

And if we've taken some falls due to pride, we can trust Him that He let that happen before He gave us something more precious. I believe that. When we are ready, He entrusts more precious things to us. He gets the timing right. So I think we can trust and just let go of fear.

Well stated!

That's been my fear, the fear of failing. Afraid that He won't keep His promises. Afraid that I'll go off reservation. Afraid that . . . well, maybe that sums them all.

To me trust is kind of like freefall. But after a while it's just fun. Well, then there are the testings.

I think it was you who posted some time back of various fears being indicative of our degree of trust, and I agree completely. Perfect love casts out fear.

I've learned that fear is a bodily reaction - the old man, the flesh - and therefore has nothing to do with me, and can simply be ignored until it goes away. Same as all flesh actions or reactions. We sort out which serve God, like healthy eating, and do those, and which don't, like being afraid, ignore them.

Much love!
Mark

 

[farouk]

Phillippians 3:8-9,

8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

I can't get away from these verses in phillippians. In study I see Paul giving a great understanding to us that are in Christ. He being a man that at one time was blameless in the law, describes what it means to be in Christ. "In Christ" is the only place you can find righteousness. In another place in scripture Paul said
2 Cor. 5:21

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Most of us grew up with some kind of denominational back ground. I personally started out as a child in one, then did my time in the world with no God knowledge, no ones fault but my own. In time and hell came into a new denomination for a while. One thing you must understand! It doesn't matter what you have been through or where you have been! It was all necessary to get you exactly where you are today.

All things work for your good, as well as all things are of God. So if you bad mouth anything in your past it really is'nt necessary, they were your teachers, governors and tutors (circumstances and situations), Gal. 4:1-2.

What is paul talking about when he says "and be found in him." To be found in Christ is a personal knowledge that you are giving your mind to Christ. There was a time I didn't really feel like I had been to church if there was no shouting and someone jumped up and got excited. Why was that! It makes you feel good, but the point is; what about the times your not in a feel good position, what then.

Being found "in him" you need nothing to make you who you are, you don't have to shout the devil down to feel good. You will not live by your feelings, you have a new life and will not need it to be propped up by some outer action. Men and women are good examples and the number one classroom in the schoolhouse. These two opposites trying to figure out life and live it. You will need to be "found in him." It is natural for the flesh to be weak, very needful, most of the time never satisfied and looking for something that does not even exist outside of being "found in him."

Can you see why Christians can have the same problems as the world and alot of times worse. You can be "in Christ" and not be "found in him." Your mind has never been given to learn Christ, you love God and probably do alot of good things to further the ministry, but have never been "found in him." Being found in Christ is a conscious effort to learn Christ. You give time to him, you study, you read, you seek, and wait on God knowing there is a revelation just for you of the Christ in you.

You listen to the Spirit, I don't know all the ways to tell you to be "found in him" but the Spirit can and will. The Dove of God is your instructor, not man, Christians should shut themselves away with the Lord and not come out until they know they are "found in him."

To be totally satisfied by God's grace with one's position in Christ is a true blessing to one's understanding.

I do love Philippians. :)

 

[soul man]

- to be found in Him, you give up your life.) Your mind, all the rights the world says you have, etc. You learn to give up your own life of pride for everyone else, for your brothers.

I don't know how long that takes. Paul seems to have learned and done it in 3 years. I waffled and went back and forth

Hello my dear sister, I so enjoyed your testimony on the grace of our Father. It seems like there are those that go through very hard things in life before and even after they become Christian. I always look at these as special for the great understanding of who their Father is. Not that we are not all special, but these seem to seek after something more than just a hap hazard relationship with their Father (my opinion only which is not worth much). For example prison inmates, some of them I have met through the years are the greatest Christian writers of our time, for whatever reason. They are educated, they have time to spend on spiritual matters, they have learned to trust for the most simplest things. When you read these you would not know they were inmates because they have learned that is just their situation, their life is a different story. They have come to understand life as a person (Christ) and the love you talk about. True deliverance is found in him, not being set free from a situation.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

True deliverance is found in him, not being set free from a situation.

He has said He guides our very steps. When we begin to truly believe that, we find nothing to complain about in any circumstance we find ourselves in. :)

I have been enjoying your posts brother. I have been seeing your heart in them.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

And concerning those in prison, its a blessing to be poor and to have nothing. Its much harder for a man with a lot to give up what he has to find his life.

 

[soul man]

He has said He guides our very steps. When we begin to truly believe that, we find nothing to complain about in any circumstance we find ourselves in. :)

I have been enjoying your posts brother. I have been seeing your heart in them.

Glad you enjoy them, just trying to be a blessing

 

[Episkopos]

Glad you enjoy them, just trying to be a blessing

Hey soul man. :) I see you as a very committed brother with a good heart. I agree with much you say...and where I seek to correct you I do so with love for a brother.
Keep fighting the good fight of faith!

Peace to you

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[soul man]

Hey soul man. :) I see you as a very committed brother with a good heart. I agree with much you say...and where I seek to correct you I do so with love for a brother.
Keep fighting the good fight of faith!

Peace to you

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Thank you I feel the same way, we are all in this together :-)