Religious Facade Christianity

[Not me]

@Episkopos

Thank you for passing judgment on me, but as Paul said human judgment means nothing, it is God that judges righteously.

Gamaliel I think put forth the best answer;

“If the words of these men are of man, they will come to nothing. If from God, you can not possibly overcome them.”

You stand with your teaching.
I stand in my relationship with Christ.

May God manifest the fruit of both our standings before all, that all might see.

That being said.

May your heart be filled with God’s love towards you. And may you come to know Him in all reality and all truth.

Blessings,

Much love in Christ, Not me

 

[marks]

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

You know this is what we are doing, right?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

OK.

Well, if they are leading into religious hypocrisy, you know what to do, avoid them.

Much love!

Yes, avoid them. Of course, if they follow you around, that doesn't work...

 

[bbyrd009]

The foolishness to which I was referring is to tell people that seeking God shows a lack of faith.

ah, well i def think it can? past a certain point we are just seeking new knowledge, here a little there a little? Which unless one is a senator or otherwise misguided is not a good policy i guess. In fact we can even note exactly where we diverge from Scripture in our "seeking," but no one wants to talk about that i guess lol

 

[bbyrd009]

Is it a coincidence that Jesus only got angry when He went to "church"?

zing

 

[marks]

Yes, avoid them. Of course, if they follow you around, that doesn't work...

What I'm saying is to avoid the kind of teaching that tells you that the outer is all that is important.

Much love!

 

[Jay Ross]

@Not me, being a rider of a wild beast between your legs, that is not always tame, to be safe, we must become one with that beast and feel the same nudges that the beast experiences and to respond accordingly.

One of my failing when on my various beasts was to trust that the beast would respond appropriately when I take our hand off the throttle, to stand back up straight in a controlled manner when I did so.

I know that the Beasts that we ride are not our god, but with the God that we worship we are to take our hand of the throttle, so to speak, and trust in the Lord and the spirit that He has give us, to guide us in all things.

A guiding prayer/statement that I use is that all that that is of me, spirits included, shall worship the Lord, and that which is of me, that is not willing or able to worship the Lord, is to leave me and go to the appointed place to await their judgement fate.

How we express that prayer of cleansing, is really up to the individual, but it does work and separates the "spirits" into those that are of God and those that are not of God.

This is my practice as it means that I am not at war with the spirits that may try to enter into my life, but that the spirits are at war with God and it is God that does the rest. It is His battle, and it is not mine to fight.

Shalom

 

[aspen]

Is it a coincidence that Jesus only got angry when He went to "church"?

Well, he kinda was ‘that guy’......shows up to church once and starts rearranging furniture....

 

[marks]

Well, he kinda was ‘that guy’......shows up to church once and starts rearranging furniture....

Jesus didn't fit their man made rules, so they opposed Him. There is nothing new under the sun!

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Sometimes you just gotta laugh...

 

[marks]

Other times, introspection may be useful . . .

 

[Episkopos]

It is one thing to claim the greatness of God...and quite another to vainly boast of one's own position in that greatness.

The Pharisees claimed to see. But in truth they were blind. Their blindness was such that they had exaggerated their position with God and were leading others astray as in...you do not enter in and you stop others from entering also.

Jesus said that because they said "I see" their sin remained.

But we have much greater claims happening today with even greater exaggerations being perpetrated.

People read themselves into the bible text with impunity. These see no need for the fear of the Lord or for humility. Only God can show them that their vessels are empty.

Just look at all the claims. Human effort masquerading as something divine. The fires of testing on judgment day will reveal their material for what it truly is.

The religious ditch (or field) is vast and there are many who have pitched their tent there.

If the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom...what is the lack of the fear of the Lord the beginning of?

 

[Not me]

@Not me, being a rider of a wild beast between your legs, that is not always tame, to be safe, we must become one with that beast and feel the same nudges that the beast experiences and to respond accordingly.

One of my failing when on my various beasts was to trust that the beast would respond appropriately when I take our hand off the throttle, to stand back up straight in a controlled manner when I did so.

I know that the Beasts that we ride are not our god, but with the God that we worship we are to take our hand of the throttle, so to speak, and trust in the Lord and the spirit that He has give us, to guide us in all things.

A guiding prayer/statement that I use is that all that that is of me, spirits included, shall worship the Lord, and that which is of me, that is not willing or able to worship the Lord, is to leave me and go to the appointed place to await their judgement fate.

How we express that prayer of cleansing, is really up to the individual, but it does work and separates the "spirits" into those that are of God and those that are not of God.

This is my practice as it means that I am not at war with the spirits that may try to enter into my life, but that the spirits are at war with God and it is God that does the rest. It is His battle, and it is not mine to fight.

Shalom

Hi, thanks for liking my zoom zoom machine, God has soooo blessed me.

Though I can’t say I agree with all your wording... I do agree with the heart that would cry after God.... and as you stated “trust in the Lord.”

May this trust we have in Christ grow and be enlarged every day.

Blessings, and ride safe.

Much love in Christ, Not me

 

[Episkopos]

The truth always has a polarity..whereby both poles must be brought to bear in order to see the truth.

Here are 2 polarity verses...

First verse:
Psalm 91:10-12
10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.


Compare with...

Second verse:
Amos 9:10
10 All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.

Now which of the two would people choose for themselves who were looking to justify themselves? Of course the first one. But notice the difference in the verses. They sound the same except for WHO is doing the speaking.

The truth is that those who claim to have the promise of the first verse are actually making the error of people in the second verse.

Is that so difficult to see?

 

[bbyrd009]

Is that so difficult to see?

well, i think maybe one could make the claim based upon experience, but one might also be in denial while making the same claim, and i gotta agree those claiming it the loudest can also be suffering calamity the most lol, seen that

 

[Episkopos]

well, i think maybe one could make the claim based upon experience, but one might also be in denial while making the same claim, and i gotta agree those claiming it the loudest can also be suffering calamity the most lol, seen that

true dat. Those who are looking for the "exceedingly great and precious promises" for themselves are bound for stumbling over Christ. We should never go after the promises of God...but go after God Himself in whom are those promises.

Again that would seem too subtle of a difference for many people to catch. The difference between the gift and the Giver.

 

[amadeus]

So your saying the correct interpretation of the scripture;

“Let the Peace of Christ rule in your heart”

Should actually be understood as;

“do not let the peace of Christ rule in your heart”?

Scripture also says;

Let one or two speak and the rest judge.

Blessings,

Much love in Christ, Not me

The cart before the horse?

This is where each of us should be now:

"But seek ye first the [1] kingdom of God, and [2] his righteousness; and all [3] these things shall be added unto you." Matt 6:33

To ever receive [3] we must pursue [1] and [2]… for how long?

Instead of continuing with the seeking of [1] His kingdom and [2] His righteousness, too many are going ahead and taking hold of [as if they really could] the things which are [3] to be added to the ones who continue to seek until the end of their course.

We are not to take even the "peace of God" with our yearning hearts and hands and leave off the "seeking". We are not to take even those things described in scripture as rewards. The rewards, when there really are to be rewards, are to be included in those things added... added not by you and not by me.

So then for how long do we continue to seek?

"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." Matt 10:22

Does not this enduring to the end mean continuing to seek those two things to our end, the end of the time allotted to each of us?

 

[Nancy]

The methodology is through indoctrination and appropriating things for themselves that are written in the bible but in a shallow "done deal" kind of salesmanship...but of course only those things that are desirable. Anything written in the form of a warning and/ or a discipline...these things can be ignored as regarding other people. And all the churches seem to be doing this. So then no one seems to guilty of being human anymore. Everyone is saying...not me. We only receive the pleasant words from God.

So then that's on the person who believes that. People are free to believe anything they want to. But then these people want to share their beliefs with others. And that is where the truth needs to be shown...that destroys the false doctrines. Silence to these false claims would seem to mean approval. So then the truth must be spoken out by people who actually know it.

I have been to church services where the preacher will say things like..."turn to your neighbour and say...you ARE seated in heavenly places." There are many variations of this kind of conditioning. And people are like sheep in obedience to these ploys. So the lies compliment themselves into a bigger and bigger lie.

Most people would never read the bible and assume themselves into the text. That needs a push from a spirit or an indoctrinator. There is a natural humility in the bible reader that the devil needs to overcome by putting an emphasis on religious assumptions and claims that remove the natural inclination to seek the Lord for answers. It's like the devil wants to stop people from seeking the Lord by short-circuiting the relaying of truth...by saying things like... "you ALREADY have everything you need...you don't need to seek the Lord. Seeking God would actually be a LACK of faith in God that His work on the cross is not yet finished". (And other such fallacies)

But to believe that line you would have to think that God doesn't want us to seek Him. That He doesn't want a personal contact with us. Which is far from the truth of course. In fact, God has made the "way" in Christ so that we are really forced to seek Him. We are called to enter into Him...and one can only do this through a full surrender and consecration to God, calling on His name.

I believe we are to seek Him constantly, and diligently. I also believe we will know Him more and more, straight into eternity!
Who can know Him? ♥

 

[amadeus]

Believers today are encouraged to put on a fake smile...a fake religious facade..in order to appear loving and good. It was the same with the religious ones in Jesus' day...the hypocrites, the actors...who put on an outward display...approving those who approved of them. Looking for honour from men.

But Jesus does not receive honour from men...and neither should we. We should shun the fakeness of a facade religiosity masquerading as a walk in the truth.

The truth is to embrace obscurity, adversity, and others misunderstanding you, misquoting you, hating you and looking for your fall.

And so as was Jesus treated by the religiously fake. he came to expose them.

And we should also want to be exposed if we were wise. And this in order to drop what hinders us from an authentic walk in the Spirit.

Walking in the Spirit is to walk like Jesus did...without even a spot or wrinkle of sin. But then only they who walk in the truth know this. The counterfeiter will deny it. That's how you can tell whether someone has been with Jesus or just holds theories about Jesus in his own carnal mind.

As if by just saying it, or acting it, or even believing it, will make it be true. The façade!

Again it is the cart before the horse as if we may arrange God's order for Him instead of continuing to seek it. His order is first things first! First is His kingdom and first is His righteousness. This pursuit, this properly ordered seeking, if you can see it, is our first love, but what happens when the first love is lost and anything else, including our reward of living forever of being given a place in "heaven" and so forth...

"Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent." Rev 2:4-5

 

[marks]

The fires of testing on judgment day will reveal their material for what it truly is.

Even today people reveal themselves.