'The Messenger of The Covenant'

[farouk]

Your a messenger of the covenant

It does need to be applied to the Lord Jesus. @charity is right.

 

[Waiting on him]

Revelation 6:13 KJV
[13] And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.


Tecarta Bible

Hello @Waiting on him,

See Hebrews 8.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

not sure I understand, do you believe we’re not under the new covenant?

 

[Waiting on him]

It does need to be applied to the Lord Jesus. @charity is right.

Galatians 2:20 KJV
[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.


Tecarta Bible
I am giving Him the credit.

 

[farouk]

@Waiting on him
@VictoryinJesus

Hello there,

I have read Psalm 19 and Acts 6-7, along with the prophecy of Malachi this morning, and I do love both of the readings you gave. I found that they both had reason for connecting them to Malachi. :) Forgive me, if my reasoning does not (perhaps) accord with your own, but I can only speak as I find, through the limited vision of my own perspective.

* In Malachi it is the Priests that are admonished for not observing their priestly duties, and of not giving honour and glory to God and of being contemptuous of the sacred service of the temple: and instead of accepting admonition, and repenting, they replied impudently, showing hardness of heart and intractability. Questioning and denying the charges brought against them. They had corrupted, 'the covenant of peace.' (Numbers 25:12-13 ) that God had made with Levi, and caused many to stumble at the law, especially in regard to marriage, and the 'putting away' of a wife (Malachi 2:14-16) , which was so important regarding the coming 'Seed'.

* The keeping of the law was incumbent upon Israel, as we know, as part of the covenant made between themselves and God at Sinai, and at His first advent, our Lord would, in the sermon on the mount 'Teach' the need for not only observance of the law in manner of life, but of an observance which was of the heart also. He also dealt with the law regarding marriage, and the 'putting away' of a wife. (Matthew 5:31-32/Matthew 19:3-9). ( see also Ezekiel 34:25; Ezekiel 37:26 - re. 'the covenant of peace')

* The thought also came to mind, that when as a twelve year old the Lord went to the temple in Jerusalem with His Mother, and Father (under law), He astonished the Priests by His knowledge. How humbling that must have been for them, to have a little child teach them. Even then He was ,'about His Father's business'. Praise God!

* Psalm 19 rejoices in and honours the law of God, His judgements and His righteousness, and the writer humbly acknowledges that in the keeping of them there is great reward: while seeking cleansing from secret faults, laying himself open to God's scrutiny and seeking His keeping power; his desire being to be acceptable to God in all aspects of his life. What a contrast this is to the state of the Priests in the time of Malachi!

* In Acts 6 & 7, I was delighted to find reference to Deuteronomy 18:15 & Deuteronomy 18:18 in Acts 7:37:-

'This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel,
"A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you
of your brethren, like unto me; Him shall ye hear.'
(Acts 7:37-39)

'While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them:
and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said,
"This is my beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased; hear ye Him."
(Matthew 17:5)

* @firstthings1st. referred to the transfiguration earlier, which Matthew 17:5 is taken from. ('thank you, f.t.1st.!)

* There was so much in Acts 6 & 7 which I would like to comment on, which stirred my mind, but it was this which had particular relevance to the subject of this thread.

* Thank you to [B]@VictoryinJesus[/B], and @Waiting on him for this part of my journey.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

@charity I have been looking at Malachi; a lot of themes there indeed that are taken up elsewhere in Scripture.

 

[farouk]

Galatians 2:20 KJV
[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.


Tecarta Bible
I am giving Him the credit.

Great verse there; we were thinking about it last Lord's Day.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Matthew 10:34 KJV
[34] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.


Tecarta Bible
Malachi 2:10 KJV
[10] Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?


Tecarta Bible
God has come to separate us from the flesh and say I Am your Father.
He circumcised the heart.

The Levite’s failed to deliver this message.

This is the message I’m trying to get across

A sword separating who was father, mother, brother from: “whosoever does the will of My Father.” A sword to separate what is dead and passed away in Adam from that which is made alive and whole in Christ.

 

[Enoch111]

Sounds like your saying, I come to understand God through head knowledge?

For Christians head and heart knowledge go hand in hand. But you can believe whatever you want.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Galatians 2:20 KJV
[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.


Tecarta Bible
I am giving Him the credit.

2 Corinthians 4:7
[7] But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

The message of Good tidings ...the message of the gospel. Isaiah 52:6-7 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I. [7] How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!

 

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Hello again,

In Malachi 3:1-6, Jehovah's Messenger purges all.
In Malachi 4:5-6, Jehovah's Messenger restores all.

* Thank you all for taking part, but I think the thread has now lost it's way.

I'll say cheerio for now.
With love In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Waiting on him]

Would just like to apologize, you guys are right, your not messengers of the new covenant.
Sorry for the miss assessment.

 

[Phoneman777]

'Behold, I will send My messenger,
.. and he shall prepare the way before me:
.... and the Lord, whom ye seek,
...... shall suddenly come to His temple,
........ even The Messenger of The Covenant,
.......... whom ye delight in:
behold, He shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
.. But who may abide the day of His coming?
.... and who shall stand when He appeareth?
...... for He is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
And He shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver:
.. and He shall purify the sons of Levi,
.... and purge them as gold and silver,
...... that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem
.. be pleasant unto the LORD,
.... as in the days of old,
...... and as in former years.'
(Malachi 3:1-4)

Hello there,

These words, 'The Messenger of The Covenant' do not appear to have been repeated anywhere else in Scripture.

If you have done a study on this, would you please let me benefit from your findings.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hi, this verse proves that what is spoken of in Daniel about the covenant has to do with JESUS CHRIST, not Antichrist, the power behind such being declared as no covenant maker, according to what is rhetorically asked about Satan animalified as "Leviathan" ("Will he make a covenant with thee?" - Job 41:4).

Says Daniel, "He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week..."

Says Paul, "How shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord and then was confirmed to us by them that heard Him". (Hebrews 2:3)

Says this same Paul, Jesus came "..to confirm the promises to the fathers" (Romans 15:8), the New Covenant promises being found in Hebrews 8:10: "For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; (here comes the promises) I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:"

Says Jesus, "This is the blood of the New Testament (Covenant) which is shed for many for the remission of sins" (Matthew 26:28), the word "many" being connected with Daniel's description that His covenant was for "many".

Says Isaiah, "I the LORD have called Thee in righteousness, and will hold Thine hand, and will keep Thee, and give Thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles..." (Isaiah 42:21)

Daniel, Isaiah, Job, Paul, and Jesus Himself are talking about Jesus Christ, not Antichrist.

 

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Hi, this verse proves that what is spoken of in Daniel about the covenant has to do with JESUS CHRIST, not Antichrist, the power behind such being declared as no covenant maker, according to what is rhetorically asked about Satan animalified as "Leviathan" ("Will he make a covenant with thee?" - Job 41:4).

Says Daniel, "He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week..."

Says Paul, "How shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord and then was confirmed to us by them that heard Him". (Hebrews 2:3)

Says this same Paul, Jesus came "..to confirm the promises to the fathers" (Romans 15:8), the New Covenant promises being found in Hebrews 8:10: "For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; (here comes the promises) I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:"

Says Jesus, "This is the blood of the New Testament (Covenant) which is shed for many for the remission of sins" (Matthew 26:28), the word "many" being connected with Daniel's description that His covenant was for "many".

Says Isaiah, "I the LORD have called Thee in righteousness, and will hold Thine hand, and will keep Thee, and give Thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles..." (Isaiah 42:21)

Daniel, Isaiah, Job, Paul, and Jesus Himself are talking about Jesus Christ, not Antichrist.

'Behold, I will send My messenger,
and he shall prepare the way before Me:
and the Lord, whom ye seek,
shall suddenly come to His temple,
even The Messenger of The Covenant,
whom ye delight in:
behold, He shall come,
saith the LORD of hosts.'
(Malachi 3:1)

Hello @Phoneman777

Thank you for your input. :)

'The Lord', that is the Messiah, whom the People of Israel sought, is 'The Messenger of the Covenant'. Your reference to Daniel, I believe must be, (Daniel 9:26-27)

'And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself:
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,
even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.'​

* The cutting off of the Messiah (not for Himself) was the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ, yes? At His 1st advent. 'The people of the prince that shall come', (The Romans) destroyed the city of Jerusalem and the sanctuary in AD70.

* 'The prince that shall come' (the 'little horn' of Daniel 7:8, 24-26; 8:9-12, 23-25) - 'shall confirm the (or, 'a') covenant with many for one week' (or make a covenant, which he will break after 3 1/2 years) - so this has to be the Antichrist. He will confirm 'a covenant', but it is NOT 'the covenant' of which the Messiah is the Messenger. He will do this at the beginning of the last seven years which completes the seventy of Daniel 9:24.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Phoneman777]

'Behold, I will send My messenger,
and he shall prepare the way before Me:
and the Lord, whom ye seek,
shall suddenly come to His temple,
even The Messenger of The Covenant,
whom ye delight in:
behold, He shall come,
saith the LORD of hosts.'
(Malachi 3:1)

Hello @Phoneman777

Thank you for your input. :)

'The Lord', that is the Messiah, whom the People of Israel sought, is 'The Messenger of the Covenant'. Your reference to Daniel, I believe must be, (Daniel 9:26-27)

'And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself:
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,
even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.'​

* The cutting of of the Messiah (not for Himself) was the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ, yes? At His 1st advent. 'The people of the prince that shall come', (The Romans) destroyed the city of Jerusalem and the sanctuary in AD70.

* 'The prince that shall come' (the 'little horn' of Daniel 7:8, 24-26; 8:9-12, 23-25) - 'shall confirm the covenant with many for one week' - so this has to be the Antichrist. He will confirm 'a covenant', but it is NOT 'the covenant' of which the Messiah is the Messenger.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Thanks. The "He" in "he shall confirm the covenant with many..." doesn't necessarily refer to the "prince"...it can refer to the other subject of the passage is "Messiah".

In light of all these verses in Daniel, Isaiah, Malachi, Hebrews, and the Gospels...and with Job's assurance that Satan's agencies make no covenants with people, coupled with the total lack of any other supporting texts to support the idea of a "7 years covenant between the arabs and jews brokered by the Antichrist" except for this verse in question...

...the scales tip way over in favor of Jesus as He Who confirms the covenant, I think.

 

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Hello @Phoneman,

I made alterations to my post #72, while you were entering. Please take a look.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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@charity
I have been looking at Malachi;
a lot of themes there indeed that are taken up elsewhere in Scripture.

Hello @farouk,

What themes are you thinking of particularly? Would you please name one or two?

I have one which I feel the need to follow through at the moment, regarding the covenants referred to in Malachi 2:4,5,8,10, & 14, I will come back hopefully on this.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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'For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed;
but My kindness shall not depart from thee,
neither shall the covenant of My peace be removed,
saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee.'
(Isaiah 54:10)

Hello again,

In Malachi chapter two the Lord commands the priests to give glory unto His name, and refers them to 'a covenant of peace' in verses, 4-9, that He had made with Levi of, 'an everlasting priesthood' (Numbers 25:10-13; Deuteronomy 33:8-10; Exodus 32:26-29), which they had corrupted and profaned (Malachi 2:8 & Malachi 2:10).

* In Malachi 2:10-17 we see that Judah, Israel and Jerusalem had also profaned 'The Covenant' made with the Fathers, and this is extended to, ‘ye sons of Jacob,’ in Malachi chapter three, for they had not honoured the covenant made by God with their Fathers at Sinai.

* This is the nature of things, which the Lord’s Messenger (John the Baptist at Christ’s first advent) and The Messenger of the Covenant after him (the Lord Jesus Christ) for Whom he would be the forerunner (Malachi 3:1) would come into.

* At Christ’s second advent, ‘The Messenger of the Covenant’, will cleanse and refine them as described in Malachi 3:1-3.

* ‘Covenant of Peace’:- Ezekiel 34:25; Ezekiel 37:26; Hebrews 13:20

Just my thoughts.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[farouk]

'For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed;
but My kindness shall not depart from thee,
neither shall the covenant of My peace be removed,
saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee.'
(Isaiah 54:10)

Hello again,

In Malachi chapter two the Lord commands the priests to give glory unto His name, and refers them to 'a covenant of peace' in verses, 4-9, that He had made with Levi of, 'an everlasting priesthood' (Numbers 25:10-13; Deuteronomy 33:8-10; Exodus 32:26-29), which they had corrupted and profaned (Malachi 2:8 & 10).

* In Malachi 2:10-17 we see that Judah, Israel and Jerusalem had also profaned 'The Covenant' made with the Fathers, and this is extended to, ‘ye sons of Jacob,’ in Malachi chapter three, for they had not honoured the covenant made by God with their Fathers at Sinai.

* This is the nature of things, which the Lord’s Messenger (John the Baptist at Christ’s first advent) and The Messenger of the Covenant after him (the Lord Jesus Christ) for Whom he would be the forerunner (Malachi 3:1) would come into.

* At Christ’s second advent, ‘The Messenger of the Covenant’, will cleanse and refine them as described in Malachi 3:1-3.

* ‘Covenant of Peace’:- Ezekiel 34:25; 37:26; Hebrews 13:20

Just my thoughts.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

In Hebrews 7 the Lord Jesus is described as a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

 

[Harvest 1874]

Nancy in post # 4 stated:

I do believe that the Jehovah's Witnesses think that Jesus will be Michael the Arc Angel...it is not clear to me.

In response Charity's stated:

It is because Jehovah's Witnesses say this that I shrink from this concept; for there is no way that He is Michael the Archangel.
Chris

No way you say! then surely you have evidence with which to support this claim?

Please provide your scriptural evidence.

 

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Nancy in post # 4 stated:

I do believe that the Jehovah's Witnesses think that Jesus will be Michael the Arc Angel...it is not clear to me.
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In response Charity's stated:- 'It is because Jehovah's Witnesses say this that I shrink from this concept; for there is no way that He is Michael the Archangel.'
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No way you say! then surely you have evidence with which to support this claim?
Please provide your scriptural evidence.

Hello @Harvest 1874,

With respect to you, if I had said that the Lord Jesus Christ was Michael the Archangel, then I would have something to prove: however I have not; so I have nothing to prove and there is therefore no necessity for Scriptural evidence to be provided.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Hello @Harvest 1874,

With respect to you, if I had said that the Lord Jesus Christ was Michael the Archangel, then I would have something to prove: however I have not; so I have nothing to prove and there is therefore no necessity for Scriptural evidence to be provided.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hello you all, I could not let the above statement go on until you all have read this article from our late Pastor, if interested, that I have read just once on:
Mystery of Mysteries
Who Is Michael, the Archangel? You will need an Adobe Reader:

http://triumphpro.info/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/michael-the-archangel.pdf