Spiritual versus Religious
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The Pharisees were religious, but they were not spiritual.
Spiritual is a relationship with the Father through the Holy Spirit.
Religious can be anything ...and usually ends up as a ritual.
Spiritual is a relationship with the Father through the Holy Spirit.
Religious can be anything ...and usually ends up as a ritual.
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Whoops, I did not see this...as I posted ( post #42) before reading all the posts!! LOL
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Yes, Paul was a Pharisee. He acted like some people who post here - he was predatory. He was definitely converted by Jesus - he was a man of heart, but he didn’t drop his love for doctrine. It was important for him to incorporate love, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit into his doctrine so it could be taught to new Christians
Waiting on him
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Isn’t doctrine and religion two different things, maybe I have a different understanding of religion?
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
My definition of religion is agreed upon doctrine, teachings, practice and language of a specific body of believers. Spirituality is a relationship with God and neighbor
I think it can be. Not the "old-time religion" but the division and pride from knowledge can.
Waiting on him
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I’ll participate in this aspen I remember very well. This was when I looked at Man to tell Me what I was to believe and what I was to repeat
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Hello Waiting,
The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?
Because the loaf of bread is one, we, though many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.
You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!
Peace be with you!
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
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aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
It sounds like you have distanced yourself from religion and focused on spirituality. How do you define religion? Spirituality? Who is your authority?
Sorry aspen!!! What area was it in?
great minds think alike. See I was thinking about this, because I have not felt right since leaving my homechurch Ive gone to forever. I have felt much better since I decided to return. While I like the spiritual gifts being used at this other church, the Word of God is spoken at my church. But the connections with each other and God,can only be described as a deeper spiritual relationship. I can always listen to sermons from another church and study. To be in a church where I can see the fruits of the Spirit just flowing everywhere...especially the love each one has for one another. It is special...this love comes from God.
This is what I have come to understand about relationship. Connection in general. Even to oneself. It just is. Kind of like asking why an apple is red in my opinion. There are different colored apples though if you have a different thought on what spirituality is...
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Sorry aspen!!! What area was it in?
My thread is in the debate area, but I put a link to yours there so that we can keep the discussion right here. We really do think alike on this topic choice.
I totally get your experience in your two churches. I am experiencing a similar situation. I go to daily Mass and I also go to an evangelical Quaker Church. The love I have found in the Quaker Church is really amazing - they have accepted me and we are like family. I can’t accept all of their doctrine, but their love of God and neighbor is pure sanctification!
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Yes...we were created to be connected - I think we were created to love perfectly. But apart from Christ our desire to connect becomes misguided towards objects and objectifying people. We serve our flesh / false self / old man / ego, instead of God.
I believe Hell is radical individualism, isolation, mind torture, and an inability to ever connect with God. I also see it as a place where you feel cheated, dissatisfaction, unfulfilled, haunted, and completely right - Ego right - dead right.....
Christianity is unity surrender and love.
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'Spiritual but not religious,’ to make a long story short, means 'I am a wild party-er who does not go to church.'
For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror; for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was. But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does. If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless. Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.
James 1:23-27 NASB
So religion is hearing and doing the Word of God according to this scripture. How I best understand it...
Spiritual is the part that connects to God/understands things from God. Religion is the act I guess, while spiritual is that desire to do the things of God and love others...the mind of Christ.
"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. For who has known the mind of the Lord , that he will instruct H im ? But we have the mind of Christ."
1 Corinthians 2:12-16 NASB
James 1:23-27 NASB
So religion is hearing and doing the Word of God according to this scripture. How I best understand it...
Spiritual is the part that connects to God/understands things from God. Religion is the act I guess, while spiritual is that desire to do the things of God and love others...the mind of Christ.
"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. For who has known the mind of the Lord , that he will instruct H im ? But we have the mind of Christ."
1 Corinthians 2:12-16 NASB
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