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. . . was written in Greek. There is no Hebrew New Testament.

Psalm 119:88-90
88 Quicken me after thy lovingkindness; so shall I keep the testimony of thy mouth.
89 For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.
90 Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth.

Consider . . . if the New Testament, or parts of it, were written in Hebrew, then what we must have is an uninspired translation, and then where is God's faithfulness towards me? I've never seen an Hebrew New Testament, or any part of one. Other that what we know are more modern translations from the Greek into Hebrew.

Or . . . if you would like to assert that the Greek "translation" of the "Hebrew New Testament" were inspired, then the point is moot, since the Greek New Testament is therefore inpired Scripture.

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. . . was written in Greek. There is no Hebrew New Testament.

Psalm 119:88-90
88 Quicken me after thy lovingkindness; so shall I keep the testimony of thy mouth.
89 For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.
90 Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth.

Consider . . . if the New Testament, or parts of it, were written in Hebrew, then what we must have is an uninspired translation, and then where is God's faithfulness towards me? I've never seen an Hebrew New Testament, or any part of one. Other that what we know are more modern translations from the Greek into Hebrew.

Or . . . if you would like to assert that the Greek "translation" of the "Hebrew New Testament" were inspired, then the point is moot, since the Greek New Testament is therefore inpired Scripture.

Much love!

What must not be lost in reasoning is that all the apostles and writers of the New Testament, except Luke, were Hebrews. The Semitic writing style is still very evident no matter what language the words are, and taking into account those different styles used by Hebrews is the only way a westerner, like most of us, can accurately understand it. Just this week I came across a verse that hasn't seemed plausible for a long time, but after I highlighted the Semitic style of contrasts in the chapter, the meaning became crystal clear.
 
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What must not be lost in reasoning is that all the apostles and writers of the New Testament, except Luke, were Hebrews. The Semitic writing style is still very evident no matter what language the words are, and taking into account those different styles used by Hebrews is the only way a westerner, like most of us, can accurately understand it. Just this week I came across a verse that hasn't seem plausible for a long time, but after I highlighted the Semitic style of contrasts in the chapter, the meaning became crystal clear.

Curious, which verse was that? And what did you conclude?

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Curious, which verse was that? And what did you conclude?

Much love!


1 John 3 (First here is a partial chapter with the underlined verse in question, next post will show the Semitic writing style of contrasting thoughts highlighted on the whole chapter between good and bad that made me understand what John was saying.)

18 My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. 19 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. 20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
 
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3 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.


10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. 11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.

13 Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death. 15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

16 By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?

18 My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. 19 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. 20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
 
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3 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.


10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. 11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.

13 Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death. 15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

16 By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?

18 My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. 19 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. 20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
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That make's a great read!

You have to get into the flow that you colored, and yes, I like this!

That's part of what's dead. We are to be transcendant to what God has done.

Am I getting this?

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Too bad I can only put 1 like!

That make's a great read!

You have to get into the flow that you colored, and yes, I like this!

That's part of what's dead. We are to be transcendant to what God has done.

Am I getting this?

Much love!

More discussion. I'm not sure you are getting it.

I was reading " 20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things" as if it was to a Christian, and it just didn't make sense. But NOW, knowing that the person who does something and their heart condemns them, they have deliberately sinned so it was not about a Christian!
 

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That's part of what's dead. We are to be transcendant to what God has done.

Am I getting this?

What are you saying. I didn't understand this. I did have to edit a couple times, go back and read it again.
 

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More discussion. I'm not sure you are getting it.

I was reading " 20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things" as if it was to a Christian, and it just didn't make sense. But NOW, knowing that the person who does something and their heart condemns them, they have deliberately sinned so it was not about a Christian!
And therefore the real Christian has no condemnation, and feeling condemned is contrary to Christianity, is that right?

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What are you saying. I didn't understand this. I did have to edit a couple times, go back and read it again.
Condemnation in one's heart is part of the dead humanity experience. Christians are not condemned. Being alive in Christ means having confidence before God.

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And therefore the real Christian has no condemnation, and feeling condemned is contrary to Christianity, is that right?

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Exactly. In other words, let your super-sensitized Holy Spirit filled conscience lead you. Do not do ANYTHING your conscience screams NO! to. That is what I've seen Paul do when he talks of his conscience.
 
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Exactly. In other words, let your super-sensitized Holy Spirit filled conscience lead you. Do not do ANYTHING your conscience screams NO! to. That is what I've seen Paul do when he talks of his conscience.

Just accept that God loves you, and you'll never go anywhere else!
 

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Condemnation in one's heart is part of the dead humanity experience. Christians are not condemned. Being alive in Christ means having confidence before God.

Like that?

Much love!
Just to clarify. It is not like we can sin and not be condemned. We don't sin against our conscience in the first place.

Understand?
 

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Now you try it. 1 John chapter 1. Start with verse 5 and highlight the contrasts as far as you can go. I haven't gone into chapter two so don't know if it will stop in there or not.
 

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. . . was written in Greek. There is no Hebrew New Testament.
Yes it was written in Greek but has also been translated into Hebrew.
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Hebrew New Testament

Why did God choose common (koine) Greek over Hebrew at this time? Because the Bible was to go into the whole Roman empire through the apostles, and Greek had become the lingua franca of the *world*. Jews were conversant with Greek, and Hellenistic Jews (outside Palestine) used Greek for communication. As later history shows, the Byzantine Empire was a Greek-speaking empire (and corresponded to all the regions visited by Paul and his companions).
 

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. . . was written in Greek. There is no Hebrew New Testament.

Psalm 119:88-90
88 Quicken me after thy lovingkindness; so shall I keep the testimony of thy mouth.
89 For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.
90 Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth.

Consider . . . if the New Testament, or parts of it, were written in Hebrew, then what we must have is an uninspired translation, and then where is God's faithfulness towards me? I've never seen an Hebrew New Testament, or any part of one. Other that what we know are more modern translations from the Greek into Hebrew.

Or . . . if you would like to assert that the Greek "translation" of the "Hebrew New Testament" were inspired, then the point is moot, since the Greek New Testament is therefore inpired Scripture.

Much love!

Why would the New Testament be uninspired if it was originally written in Hebrew? I don't understand that.

Jesus presumably taught in Aramaic (the 'everyday' language of the Jews at that time), so all His words have been translated into Greek anyway.

All the OT Scriptures quoted in the NT are from the Septuagint translation into Greek.

Does that remove their inspiration? I don't think so.

If translation de-inspired Scripture, we'd all have to learn Hebrew in order to know what God was actually saying to us - just as the Muslims maintain that the Qur'an can only really be understood in the original Arabic.