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The moment he stepped out if the boat into dry ground.So, was Noah saved when he started building the boat, or when he finished building the boat?
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The moment he stepped out if the boat into dry ground.So, was Noah saved when he started building the boat, or when he finished building the boat?
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What scripture would you like me to give? I did not say that building the ark was the ONLY reason I believe Noah was eternally saved. I’m saying if he hadn’t he would not have been. I’ve always said Noah was a man of faith and used this example just like Hebrews did.I mock and rail at your attempt to make Noah's building of the Ark the reason he was eternally saved. I gave you the Scripture for my reason to mock and rail. Which you ignore...of course.
And, you make remarks now, but give no Scripture. Why? Are you lazy? Or is it because there is none?
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How could Adam obey the commandment to cleave to Eve if he didn't share her fate?Show me where in the scriptures Adam was exercising faith and therefore saved by grace. I see nothing in the scriptures that show Adam or Eve exercising faith. They both were unfaithful, if Adam had been a man of faith he wouldn't have eaten the forbidden fruit, don't you think. Instead it seems to me that Adam cared more for something else than exercising faith in The True God Jehovah.
The moment he stepped out if the boat into dry ground.
the Bible doesn’t say much about Adam. We don’t know about the entirety of his life. He lived for 930 years and you want to pass judgement on him based on one sin?Show me where in the scriptures Adam was exercising faith and therefore saved by grace. I see nothing in the scriptures that show Adam or Eve exercising faith.
No I don’t think that. Being a man of faith DOES NOT mean you have never sinned. Being a man of faith is someone who demonstrates a life of faithfulness. Do you know Adam was not like that? No!They both were unfaithful, if Adam had been a man of faith he wouldn't have eaten the forbidden fruit, don't you think. Instead it seems to me that Adam cared more for something else than exercising faith in The True God Jehovah.
He was said to be an “heir of righteousness” AFTER obedience so therefore he was not saved by faith alone. It also says that it was through his faith that he “moved with fear and prepared an ark”. So again, he was not saved by “faith alone”.Simply put, Noah believed God, as did Abraham, as we do now, in that Jesus now is the only means of His salvation for us!
So yes, Noah was SAVED BY FAITH, and not any form of righteousness of his own making or doing.
John 3:18.
The moment he stepped out if the boat into dry ground.
How could Adam obey the commandment to cleave to Eve if he didn't share her fate?
Noah was eternally saved long before he began building the boat. (Gen. 6:8,7:1)
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Adam would have been disobedient either way he went. Can Adam say he loved God if he don't love Eve?It sounds to me you're trying to say that Adam was supposed to love Eve more than God and be disobedient because she was disobedient and that isn't true.
What scripture would you like me to give? I did not say that building the ark was the ONLY reason I believe Noah was eternally saved. I’m saying if he hadn’t he would not have been. I’ve always said Noah was a man of faith and used this example just like Hebrews did.
Hebrews 11:6-7 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
The Bible specifically says that it was this moment that made Noah an “heir of righteousness”, saved by faith. You don’t like that? Well, you don’t think that water has anything to do with salvation either. That’s why this is your flood moment.
Neither....according to Peter 3:20. It says that Noah and seven other people (eight in all) were saved through water. But it all started with faith in God.So, was Noah saved when he started building the boat, or when he finished building the boat?
Stranger
Wouldn't the moment be the first step be onto the boat? If he never stepped onto the boat from dry ground he never would have 'stepped out of the boat onto dry ground'.The moment he stepped out if the boat into dry ground.
Adam would have been disobedient either way he went. Can Adam say he loved God if he don't love Eve?
1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
This statement could also be seen as prophetic:
Genesis 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
I also ask if Adam could obeyed the commandment to be fruitful and multiply?
Considering the fact that the entire human race was at stake, wouldn't it have been selfish for Adam to try to save his own life? Can you see how Adam was somewhat like Jesus a little?
Noah found grace in the eyes of God because Noah " was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God." Genesis 6:9.The problem with that is that Noah found Grace in the eyes of God before he was even given the command to build the ark.
Every once in a while the Bible has thoughts thown in that aren't in chronological order. The book of John at times is like this, especially in the first half of chapter 1. But I don't think this is the case here.
Reviewing Genesis 6 and Hebrews 11, it appears to me that he found Grace in a wicked generation and was found perfect in that generation. He then had faith to build the ark. He already had faith and thus, received Grace and the commission.
They were saved from the flood when the ark floated above the water..."while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." The anti-type (mirror reflection) to that OT type is us also being saved by water:When was it complete, when they exited the boat?
1 Peter 3:20 "saved by water". So his salvation required he first build the boat, board the boat as God commanded then he was saved by water. Noah was obedient man to God during his life, not perfectly obedient, but obedient to all GOd's commands. Building the ark was part of that life long obedience by which he would be eternally saved. Building the ark was not the only obedience Noah did in his life. Again, Noah lived a life in obedience to God..."Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God."So Noah wasn't saved till after he built the boat?
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