Is the nation of Israel really of the devil, fooling Christians?

[Soverign Grace]

I'm not sure yet what the exact truth is but I think that everyone should be willing to look for the truth with their own eyes and ears and not be so afraid of having your preconceived notions challenged that you resort to name-calling. Christ was loving, gentle, patient, kind - nothing of the spirit that is at work on this forum.

I recall another believer who I really respected told me "Christians like to cut other Christians up." What a true statement I've found that to be. Ask yourself why it's true.

If Christ is going to lead then let Him. Here is another pastor's views on the nation of Israel. I guess you're all going to tell him to get his tin foil hat too. How that must be a stench in God's nostrils when the good little "Christians" abuse... all in His Name. Now go say your prayers and act all holy to Christ.

Israel: The Synagogue of Satan

By: Pastor Chad Wagner The Excelsior Springs Church

www.ExcelsiorSpringsChurch.com relations between the Khazar Jewry and other Jewish communities, and to the question of how far we can go in regarding this [Khazar)

https://www.excelsiorspringschurch.com/files/Israel - The Synagogue of Satan_0.PDF

 

[Soverign Grace]

The sad fact is that you are here as A TROLL -- a purveyor of insults. How do you show a Troll the folly of trolling?

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Enoch - do you think it's okay to post this?

Do you think it's okay to call him a TROLL? Because YOU disagree with his theology?

Who died and made you God?

You study your bible - but so does everyone else! What gives you the right to make fun of anyone else? What do you think makes you right and him wrong???

And Stan - you jump on it and agree with it???

Beliefs should be hammered out like Christ showed us an example. It never ceases to amaze me how "Christians" think it's okay to abuse others they disagree with!

What about the verse: A man is nota Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision only outward and physical. 29No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise does not come from men, but from God.

 

[Man on Fire]

Have you ever read Chuck Baldwin and other writers who say that the nation of Israel is a delusion? They say that satanists - Rothschilds etc. founded the nation of Israel in 1948 - I read that they aren't even Jews who descended from Abraham who live there. I think we should at least look into it to see if we've been bowing the knee to Baal since becoming a Christian. It's a pretty explosive idea yet we're to seek the truth.

I believe there have been many deceptions or illusions surrounding The Jews. An example of an illusion may have been Harvey Weinstein, and how he was doing the wrong things for decades, it was public knowledge around his peer group, and people looked the other way and joked about it.

Have there been illusions and lies around the Jewish Community? Absolutely. For example, how much do you know about the Khmer Rouge or what happened in Sudan? In your mind, do you put those things on equal footing with the Holocaust? Given someone somehow perceived the Holocaust to be worse, or what happened in Cambodia or Sudan to be "Not as bad" or didn't attach as much weight to them, it may be a sign someone has been brainwashed.

Given the Jews, are Jews, it doesn't matter if they have been doing right or wrong in terms of being tied to God's Promises.......to include The Laws of Moses, and Revelations 3:9. It doesn't matter. What really makes someone a Jew? A circumcision of the heart.

Again, Jeremiah 30 has looked to be particularly profound, at this time.

 

[Man on Fire]

@Soverign Grace

For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished. (Jeremiah 30:11)

What does it mean that God will discipline? The Lord is a Shepherd. He has a staff leading to good things and joy. He has a rod of misery. That may be like Saint Nickolas bringing good presents to good children, and beating the bad one's with a rod till they cry. How does someone become comfortable between God's Rod and Staff? (Psalms 23) The Holy Ghost is a teacher and a councilor. Someone may have had some conditioning and trials. Imagine a strict teacher in a classroom. He is strict, yet, fair. Students know that when they behave and do well they are rewarded. When they misbehave they are disciplined. This is just.

David would be "He whom I discipline."

I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. (2 Samuel 7:14)

Given The Jews have been oppressed, or bad things have come upon the Jews, what did the Jews do? Given the Jews in France are being targeted and hated, why? It could be that they sowed corruption into the Body of Christ. It could be that Multiculturalism as taught by Secular Humanists is more Biblical Harlotry Ezekiel 23, and due to their own bad fruit, God is disciplining them the rods of men, and shepherding them to Israel.

 

[Nancy]

Someone figured out awhile ago that the TV is powerful to shape ideals. Republicrats - they're all alike. You think something will change when a specific party gets in but it's "meet the new boss same as the old boss." I'm disgusted with politics - I can't stand to watch it. It is all corrupt - I recently became an independent but I don't think they have a chance of getting into any position. I worked for a politician years ago and instead of working we sat there and she told me about all the corruption going on. I was young and it didn't click with me at the time, but now years later it all makes sense. She told me that she was to get some position and she said someone made a phone call and got their buddy in and she was out. She said it shocked her how dirty politics are.

Yes, I see such evil in just about everything on TV. I know Independents will most likely never get into office but, we are told to vote our consciences so, there ya have it. Although, I have decided to not vote anymore as it will never do any good and I have not watched TV in decades. I will only use my television for Pandora, I have made several Christian channels on there with my fave artists. Or I will sometimes watch a movie on Pureflix (some really awesome Christian movies on there!) Sometimes Youtube and sometimes Netflix movies or documentaries. Since I pulled away from politics, my life is more peaceful than ever! There is no turning back with politicians these day's, status quo all the way down the line. We have been so duped it has blinded those who think they are voting for Gods guy...sad really. But, to each their own...I HATE division and confrontation, most especially with our brothers and sisters in Christ so. I watch nothing political at all anymore and that is a total turn around for me...I used to be a political junkie for many years! Ha! What a waste of time and energy.
God Bless you sister, we are in a war!

 

[Nancy]

I try talking to them and once they hear it on the news it's stored there.



I have a friend who is a gay liberal who never spoke like that. Are you so insecure that you can't listen to another POV? "Christians" need to be careful how they speak to others. It's funny how many times I see abuse on this site if you challenge someone's preconceived ideas. It's funny how someone's true nature comes out on here. I can almost guess who is divorced, who is a mouse at work and comes on here and acts like h*ll, and who goes into church acting like a choir boy and comes on here and acts like the devil. But it's okay to abuse...they're defending Christ right? It's then okay to let the sinful side of their personality come out.

No. Their own abusive self is coming out.

Now go to church and smile at everyone.

You are the one with the problem if you can't disagree with someone without resorting to abuse. Especially over BIBLICAL matters. You might want to ask yourself some hard questions.

Very well put.

 

[Bobby Jo]

I have a friend who is a gay liberal who never spoke like that ...

Better the wounds of a friend, than the kisses of an enemy. -- Proverbs

Bobby Jo

 

[Heavenbound]

Your posts are getting more and more weird, and you are seeing bogeymen around every corner. Time for a reality check, and abandonment of all conspiracy hunting.

1. A nation cannot become an offspring of a spirit being, so that was a very wrong statement.
2. The devil controls all the kingdoms of the world at present. No surprises there.
3. Zionism was purely secular and political and was a result of Anti-Semitic persecution of Jews.
4. There is no doubt that a handful of extremely wealthy Jews have a huge influence on world events, and are manipulating them.
5. That does not mean that you smear all Jews as evil.
6. The majority of Jews are unbelievers, but many are becoming believers as Messianic Jews.
7. Christians are commanded to love those who are unbelievers, particularly the Jews.
8. God loves the Jews and wants to see them saved. And one day there will be a redeemed and restored nation of Israel under Christ.
9. Satan hates the Jews and wants to see them utterly destroyed. He has been at this throughout history.
10. Christians should fully support any government which stands with Israel against its Muslim and Arab enemies.
11. Christians should be praying for Israel and the Jews, not pointing fingers and being high-minded.
12. Christians should be seriously involved with evangelism in Israel, as well as humanitarian efforts.

 

[Heavenbound]

Better the wounds of a friend, than the kisses of an enemy. -- Proverbs

Bobby Jo

Man you got attitude

a bad bad attitude

you got no room for any other opinion and attack in a ugly way

you need to chill cause you’re uptight and gonna blow a gasket

why don’t Christians act like the holy God they claim to know? You’re shooting fiery darts from hell dude

you working for Belial. You got the wicked tongue of Belial

you got a mean streak man

and you calling yourself Christian? What kind of Christian are you?

you need counseling to get to the root of your hostility. Might make you bearable

 

[Heavenbound]

Hey Enoch

When did you graduate from seminary?
It’s like you think what you say goes

that’s pride man

you’re showing everyone your pride

that’s a sin

you sin in your speech

can’t hide it

and calling names make you look like a fool

you best get the log outta your own eye

if you get your nose out of Fox News you’d know WE are Israel

the Israel that Trump and Fox pay homage to isn’t the true Israel

because you didn’t do your homework you make a villain out of somebody who did

you best watch your tongue man cause the devil is using it

do your homework then come back

and please Enoch get off your high horse the smell of pride ain’t pretty

 

[Heavenbound]

Better the wounds of a friend, than the kisses of an enemy. -- Proverbs

Bobby Jo

yeah and SG outta go from the presence of a fool...

 

[Heavenbound]

I read through these threads and think this ain’t no Christian site

you got people like Bobby boy who thinks he’s a prophet

You got Enoch calling Covenant names and mud slinging

Where’s the Christian behavior?

 

[Heavenbound]

I agree with Enoch. Your posts tend to be totally bizarre and hateful, and you tend to have no tolerance for truth. Your anti-semitic God-hating post about Zionism. I am not at all interested in what an apostate like David Stewart has to say about it. I have heard the declarations from many of Satan's servants like him. Satan's works are so transparent and familiar.

Unlike them, I have studied the Scriptures, and in those studies, Zionism is a prominent theme throughout Scripture from beginning to end. Ezekiel reveals in detail, God's Zionist plan for the End Times, and it is wonderful to see His plan unfolding before us.

And I agree with SG you’re a mean dude who can’t handle discussions in a rational way

lighten up dude

you’re halo is on crooked

 

[Heavenbound]

No wonder they got monitors on “Christian “ sites cause there’s “Christians’ who can’t control their tongue

what’s that verse about it not being tamed?

 

[CovenantPromise]

Hey CP,

Personally, I use the RSV, but I think most versions have a similar sequence of books where the Psalms is 19th in order. And I don't particularly recall this as a specific point in J. R. Church's book, but simply that the Psalms and the Chapters appear to have a modern (19th century) Jewish history alignment -- from their perspective.

And if you find what should be apparent, then I can offer confirmation of this premise from the Book of Daniel, because Scripture confirms Scripture, -- or so "they" say!


Bobby Jo

What 19th century event are you referring to? That Psalm is about redemption and being freed from the lair of Jackals . If you are saying this is pointing to the Holocaust , I am not saying you are, that was in the 20th century.

Since you said , 'NO! don't buy the book it is not that good" then maybe you can explain to me what you mean. Thanks.

 

[Bobby Jo]

...

I don't know how much you are aware of the world we live in, but it has NO RESEMBLANCE to the heresies, distortions, fabrications, and prevarications posted in this topic. But it's NOT UNEXPECTED, because we are IN the TRIBULATION. And what we see in the world with the Deep State conspiring to destroy the elected President of the U.S., is paralleled in the church -- with tangents railing against righteous men and the nation which GOD specifically conceived, protected, and has future plans for.

But again, there's no shortage of "crazies" in our world,
Bobby Jo

 

[Heavenbound]

I read through posts and I’m thinking “these people joking, right “?

some so called “Christians “ here can’t treat a fellow Christian Right and they think Jesus approves?

I don’t think they read the same bible as me

 

[Bobby Jo]

What 19th century event are you referring to? That Psalm is about redemption and being freed from the lair of Jackals . If you are saying this is pointing to the Holocaust , I am not saying you are, that was in the 20th century.
Since you said , 'NO! don't buy the book it is not that good" then maybe you can explain to me what you mean. Thanks.

Hey CP,

I don't believe I used the term "19th century", -- which would pertain the events of the 1800's. I believe I specifically cited the 1900's.

Secondly, I gave specific examples typical of: Book 19, Chapter 44 = 19-44 Holocaust; Book 19, Chapter 48 = 19-48 International Recognition of the State of Israel. But if this is too complicated for you, then maybe you should simply keep on singing "Jesus Loves Me" over and over and over and over, -- like we do in church!

Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

I read through posts and I’m thinking “these people joking, right “? ...

Do you perhaps have a mirror?

Bobby Jo

 

[Heavenbound]

I don't know how much you are aware of the world we live in, but it has NO RESEMBLANCE to the heresies, distortions, fabrications, and prevarications posted in this topic. But it's NOT UNEXPECTED, because we are IN the TRIBULATION. And what we see in the world with the Deep State conspiring to destroy the elected President of the U.S., is paralleled in the church -- with tangents railing against righteous men and the nation which GOD specifically conceived, protected, and has future plans for.

But again, there's no shortage of "crazies" in our world,
Bobby Jo

Well Bobby you got one thing right: there’s no shortage of crazies
And the best place to look for em is in your mirror

no offense man but you got a hostile attitude that stinks like last weeks fish

maybe if you get past your bad attitude we can all have a sane discussion about what you don’t know...

deep state you say? Trump ain’t your savior Bobby hate to break it to ya

Trump is fooling a lot of Christians. He’s good, I gotta hand it to him

The only ones he ain’t fooling are those using discernment but many don’t use it. Don’t know if it’s low intelligence laziness or what but many are deceived

but you and a lot of others took the bait and you’re gonna find a sharp hook shortly

I can’t help but laugh at those such as yourself who hang on every word trump says. Man he’s joshing you

You’re deluded man

they get the best actors to play the part and folks like you swallow it even fighting those who see through the 33 degree mason named Trump

They even get pastors (?) to surround him to make it look good. Paula? Fake along with the other “hirelings”

I think some in depth study is in order Bobby

Trump aint what you think

Study 33 degree masonry

study Jeffrey Epstein relation to mr Trump

Before you go spouting about politics get your facts straight

Trump is an enemy of Christians and America

you just don’t know it yet