Copperhead
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Daniels people are every faithful believer, from every race, nation and language. As the NT teaches.
1 Peter 2:9-10 WE Christians are; the chosen race....claimed by God for His own...
Nope. I take a more literal approach to scripture. When they were called Daniel's people, the reference was very clear in Daniel 9 that it referred to the Hebrew people. Not any Babylonians, Syrians, or whoever might also have chosen to be God fearers.
And therein lies the problem. When one departs from a literal hermeneutic, then it enables one to fit just about anything they want into the context.
Daniel 9:24 (NKJV) "Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.
The 69 weeks from the time of the decree up to the execution of the Messiah was only the Hebrew people... Daniel's people. To all of a sudden shoe horn everyone that comes to faith in Messiah as being Daniel's people of the 70th week is terrible exegesis. The 70th week pertains to Daniel's people.... the Hebrew People. Not the grafted in, not some lost tribe 2 Branch idea, not some British Israelism stuff about being the lost 10 tribes which were never lost to begin with, or any other variation on that stuff. The Body of Messiah is indeed a holy nation, royal priesthood, etc. "holy" means set apart. Jacob/Israel is also holy in that they are set apart per the covenant of Abraham. But the Body of Messiah is not the nation of Jacob/Israel.
Thinking that those who call themselves Israel and who reject Jesus, have any destiny other than that which is prophesied for them; their almost total demise, Amos 2:4-5, Isaiah 22:14, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Romans 9:26, +, is just wrong nd only made to suit the false theory of the 'rapture' to heaven of the Church.
Agree. Those who are Christians or any other group that lays claim to some idea about now being Jacob/Israel do so to their own demise. And that is what I see Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9 is talking about. And Ezekiel said that Jacob/Israel would be brought back into the land initially in unbelief.
And that would be the case irregardless of a 'rapture' theory. Jacob/Israel is a unique group just like the Gentiles/Goyim is a unique group, and the Body of Messiah is a unique group comprised of redeemed of both the other groups. That in no way negates that there is still a destiny for the Hebrew people. The Covenant with Abraham and the Hebrew people is an unconditional covenant. They couldn't annul that covenant if they wanted to. It is the Lord's name that is at stake (Ezekiel 36:22). At the return of Messiah, the nations (goyim - gentiles) will be gathered and separated (Joel 3 and Matthew 25). At the return of Messiah, Jacob/Israel will be gathered and separated also (Ezekiel 20). Not an all in one, one size fits all event for all groups together. The redeemed that make up the Body of Messiah do not need to be separated. They are redeemed unto the Lord already. The same thing happens irregardless of pre, mid, pre-wrath, post, or no rapture.
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