Gen 1 compared to Gen 2

[Enoch111]

Why did He need to buy the field?

This has nothing to do with the subject under discussion. But since you ask, it is all about the finished work of Christ. The field is the world and the treasure is the saints of God. The Church is the purchased possession of Christ, and Christ gave His life and shed His blood for it.

And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.(Malachi 3:17)

 

[101G]

agree. Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

Only asked because in relation to “without form and void” (Jeremiah 4:23-28) I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. [24] I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. [25] I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. [26] I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger. [27] For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. [28] For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

GINOLJC, to all, Agreed, man was MADE "SUBJECT" he was not made vanity, but only "Subject" to it if he choose it. you're on point.

as for the Jeremiah 4:23-28, it was the destruction of the land of Judah, not the whole earth. for the hebrew word H776 אֶרֶץ 'erets Earth or land have two meaning. consult with the VINE'S COMPLETE Old Testament EXPOSITORY DICTIONARY on this.

PICJAG.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

This has nothing to do with the subject under discussion.

Doesn’t have to do with the subject under discussion of the creation? Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

GINOLJC, to all, Agreed, man was MADE "SUBJECT" he was not made vanity, but only "Subject" to it if he choose it. you're on point.

as for the Jeremiah 4:23-28, it was the destruction of the land of Judah, not the whole earth. for the hebrew word H776 אֶרֶץ 'erets Earth or land have two meaning. consult with the VINE'S COMPLETE Old Testament EXPOSITORY DICTIONARY on this.

PICJAG.

All is vain(futility) and without form and void until the Spirit Moved and brought Life Forth unto the Light. Hope in the children of promise —conceived and brought forth of God.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Galatians 4:19-23 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, [20] I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you. [21] Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? [22] For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. [23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

 

[Giuliano]

So the Lord God didn't walk in the cool of the evening and meet with Adam?

The text is a little ambiguous. It says they heard the "voice of the LORD God walking. . . ."

 

[Giuliano]

I had always been told that the sons of God were angels. But then i saw-
Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

I think it can mean either.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

 

[hermeneutics]

I think it can mean either.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Satan was a uninvited guest.

If Adam was son of God, his children would also be 'grand'sons of God.

Don't fight scriptures, just take it for what it says.

Daughters of man are of the men that God created in Gen 1. What did God tell them?
Go and replenish the earth. Now that brings up another thing. Replenish means to do again.

 

[bbyrd009]

Which contradicts what you said in your opening post.

i kinda got lost myself there, thought we were gonna get some diff in God And Lord God in Gen1 and 2?

 

[bbyrd009]

his children would also be 'grand'sons of God.

yall could check to see if the same root is used i guess

 

[bbyrd009]

Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one ;

Matthew 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

Why did He need to buy the field?

note that we are led to assume that buying the field was a good thing
at first

 

[VictoryinJesus]

note that we are led to assume that buying the field was a good thing
at first

it wasn’t?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

note that we are led to assume that buying the field was a good thing
at first

The bread I give is my flesh which I will give for the Life of the world. Is not a good thing?

 

[bbyrd009]

it wasn’t?

ha. contemplate the nature of a person trespassing in a field and finding a treasure that he then re-hides and goes and buys the field rather than...what a little kid would do. This is a um jewish thing...a rabbi could do better here than me, sorry, theres some tie to some jewish folklore that ive forgotten

 

[bbyrd009]

The bread I give is my flesh which I will give for the Life of the world. Is not a good thing?

not saying that the treasure is not a good thing; its more how the kingdom is treated; the guy goes and sells everything and buys the field--as opposed say to the guy who was told to go and sell everything and give the money away...and there are other problems, see, note the bread was "given" right, no buying and selling going on

iow we find the kingdom and then try to possess it, maybe, become the owner of it rather than inhabit it

 

[VictoryinJesus]

ha. contemplate the nature of a person trespassing in a field and finding a treasure that he then re-hides and goes and buys the field rather than...what a little kid would do. This is a um jewish thing...a rabbi could do better here than me, sorry, theres some tie to some jewish folklore that ive forgotten

oh. I thought the field is the world and Jesus Christ showed the example in “the bread I give is my flesh, which I will give for the Life of the world.” Lifting up what is acceptable unto God in the face of feet “swift to shed blood.” then He said “follow Me.”

didn’t know it is Jewish folklore...

 

[bbyrd009]

and generally speaking imo i would look for this in pretty much every passage, iron sharpens iron has been fairly well revealed, but the king handing out "talents" is another, the RCC literally changed the def of Talents to aid the xlation of that passage, and others are known, i gotta interesting list around somewhere...anyway, the Bad Guy in Scripture? That is always us, tho of course we associate ourselves with like Jesus right...lol. To most ppl, Scriture is lying, right out in the open

 

[bbyrd009]

oh. I thought the field is the world and Jesus Christ showed the example in “the bread I give is my flesh, which I will give for the Life of the world.” Lifting up what is acceptable unto God in the face of feet “swift to shed blood.” then He said “follow Me.”

didn’t know it is Jewish folklore...

ah no, its not, but there is some folklore that comments on it, i meant, like sets the stage or whatever

i still cant associate "field is world..." and "bread is flesh..." any kind of way, sorry
and so "feet swift..." onward im totally lost i guess

 

[VictoryinJesus]

not saying that the treasure is not a good thing; its more how the kingdom is treated; the guy goes and sells everything and buys the field--as opposed say to the guy who was told to go and sell everything and give the money away...and there are other problems, see, note the bread was "given" right, no buying and selling going on

iow we find the kingdom and then try to possess it, maybe, become the owner of it rather than inhabit it

ah no, its not, but there is some folklore that comments on it, i meant, like sets the stage or whatever

i still cant associate "field is world..." and "bread is flesh..." any kind of way, sorry
and so "feet swift..." onward im totally lost i guess

yeah, I’m not good at getting out what I want to say with clarity and when it does happen at least a dozen others say a dozen different ways, the meaning is not what I thought it was. Point is, only saying what it means to me but realize it is always debatable. Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one ;

“i still cant associate "field is world..." and "bread is flesh..." any kind of way, sorry” He said countless times unless one picks up their cross and follow Him, unless one was willing to lose their life...(the first born here also) they could not be His disciples. How does “The bread I give is my flesh, which I give for the Life of the world”...have to do with buying the field a treasure is hidden (buried)within? 2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

the only way I can explain it is referring back to giving up your ways and your thoughts for His ways and His thoughts. Did He not give up his ways and his thoughts in “not my will Father, but thy will be done.” How else does one deal out their bread to the poor? Once again, do not how to say how it connects to “buying the field” the kingdom is hidden within but knowing it is there and is for the Life of the world, not to condemn it but to save it. “Buys the field” went to a bible study the other night and they were all talking about how salvation cost nothing. Kept my mouth shut but wanted to ask if that is true because doesn’t it cost all “your ways and your thoughts” for His, which (imo)connects to “full of cursing and swift to shed blood” of giving up our own. wadr Folklore does not explain 2 Corinthians 6:10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

1 Corinthians 3:21-23 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; [22] Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; [23] And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.


“as opposed say to the guy who was told to go and sell everything and give the money away..” That is what they squabbled over with the woman with the oil. Saying she should have given it to feed the poor.

bread is given....Yes, sounds free but His cost “this is My body broken for you.”

 

[bbyrd009]

also likely misunderstood, but ill come back tonight or tomorrow morning k, working a split :/

 

[bbyrd009]

yeah, I’m not good at getting out what I want to say with clarity and when it does happen at least a dozen others say a dozen different ways, the meaning is not what I thought it was. Point is, only saying what it means to me but realize it is always debatable.

ah, the english language is pretty slippery anyway, and concisely communicating broadly is really a rare gift imo; the rest of us could usually use an interpreter i guess.

He said countless times unless one picks up their cross and follow Him, unless one was willing to lose their life...(the first born here also) they could not be His disciples.

and that relates to the kingdom being like the treasure in the field how, iyo?

How does “The bread I give is my flesh, which I give for the Life of the world”...have to do with buying the field a treasure is hidden (buried)within? 2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

well, great points imo! I would say they are completely different ones, but if you perceived a connection then likely someone else would be edified by it.