Jesus the ventriloquist?

[r1xlx]

So for all of you who claim GOD is Jesus and Jesus is GOD - whose voice was this coming from the cloud:
Matthew 17:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 'While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.'

Was Jesus a ventriloquist? Can clouds speak? Maybe this verse is fiction like most non-Christians believe?

 

[Stranger]

So for all of you who claim GOD is Jesus and Jesus is GOD - whose voice was this coming from the cloud:
Matthew 17:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 'While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.'

Was Jesus a ventriloquist? Can clouds speak? Maybe this verse is fiction like most non-Christians believe?

I do believe Jesus is Deity. God the Son.

The voice from heaven or the clouds would be that of God the Father.

I take it you reject the Trinity.

Why do you come across as so bitter?

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Why does your friend Satan whisper that I am bitter?
I am trying to bring light into your dark world.
Trinity is Babylonian nonsense.
You clearly lack Holy Spirit.

I have read your posts, they always seem to have a bitterness in them.

I think you assume too much.

(Matt. 17:5) is clear concerning the distinction between the Father and Son. But, that doesn't mean the Son is not God also.

Stranger

 

[r1xlx]

You have some problems of perception in perceiving truth as bitterness?
All I ask are simple question. If they make you feel bitterness then the problem is with you?

 

[Stranger]

You have some problems of perception in perceiving truth as bitterness?
All I ask are simple question. If they make you feel bitterness then the problem is with you?

No, no problems at all.

Yes, the questions were simple. I believe I answered them.

Again, I believe you assume too much.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

I assume nothing.
I analysed your responses.
You lack IQ.

Actually, you do. You assume it is just you and God and all others just need to listen to you. And if they don't, then you are quick to insult. Your reactions are based on your many false assumptions.

Thus your analysation can't be trusted.

Your insults are empty.

Stranger

 

[DNB]

I have read your posts, they always seem to have a bitterness in them.
I think you assume too much.
(Matt. 17:5) is clear concerning the distinction between the Father and Son. But, that doesn't mean the Son is not God also.
Stranger

Why in the world would you make such a claim as, God from heaven, spoke to God the Son on earth, and not feel an need to elaborate on, or explain such a radical statement? Earlier you said 'I do believe Jesus is Deity. God the Son.' You appear to be rather oblivious to the implications and implausibility of your conviction. I would never make such an unfathomable and un-Biblical assertion, without feeling a dire need to qualify my statement.
I personally, cannot conceive of what you just said, nor have I ever read 'God the Son' or 'trinity', from anywhere in the Bible?
Am I lacking the wisdom, or are you being reckless and irresponsible with your affirmations?

 

[marksman]

So for all of you who claim GOD is Jesus and Jesus is GOD - whose voice was this coming from the cloud:
Matthew 17:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 'While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.'

Was Jesus a ventriloquist? Can clouds speak? Maybe this verse is fiction like most non-Christians believe?

Who cares what they believe?

 

[Enoch111]

So for all of you who claim GOD is Jesus and Jesus is GOD

Jesus is God but God [the Father] is NOT Jesus. As to what you quoted, it is one of the best proofs of the Trinity, with Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all shown as distinct from each other. Yet they are one God, and one Godhead.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Haha!!
Yep, we all often say of stranger that he lacks IQ.
NOT!

 

[DNB]

Jesus is God but God [the Father] is NOT Jesus. As to what you quoted, it is one of the best proofs of the Trinity, with Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all shown as distinct from each other. Yet they are one God, and one Godhead.

How in the world is the passage that he quoted, the best proof of the trinity? Yes, it distinguishes the autonomy between the Father and the Son, but it doesn't even mention the Holy Spirit, ...what three are you referring to? Not to mention, the approbation that the Son received from God, clearly denotes a subordinate relationship, and consequently, delineates an ontological disparity and disunity.
Yes, his transfiguration was remarkable, but so was Moses' and Elijah's apparition also. Nor did it precipitate a need for Moses or Elijah to prostrate themselves before him.
As the first-born of all creation, we expect an exaltation and supremacy to all other creatures to be directed towards him, but not one of deification.

 

[Enow]

So for all of you who claim GOD is Jesus and Jesus is GOD - whose voice was this coming from the cloud:
Matthew 17:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 'While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.'

Was Jesus a ventriloquist? Can clouds speak? Maybe this verse is fiction like most non-Christians believe?

If you want to know the meaning of what Jesus meant in Matthew 3:15, it was to fulfill the prophesy of Isaiah in 48:16-17 testifying to the Three Witnesses within the One God that the God the Father & the Holy Spirit sent God Our Redeemer.

Matthew 3:5 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

There are 3 Persons/Witnesses within the One God for how God establish a word in creation and to judge anyone by. If you see what God commands of men to have 2 or 3 witnesses to establish a testimony or to judge any one, that testifies to the Three Witnesses within the One God.

Deuteronomy 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

So if you consider why the Father spoke from Heaven and requires Another Witness for His witness of the Son from heaven to be true, look at what God commands of men here again.

John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

Then you can see why the Holy Spirit descended from Heaven to alight on the Son to add Another Witness to what the Father said as being true and fulfilling the prophesy of Isaiah 48:16-17 as the Lord God and His Spirit sent Him, God Our Redeemer.

 

[Enoch111]

...but it doesn't even mention the Holy Spirit, ...what three are you referring to?

I am fully aware that you reject the biblical doctrines of the Holy Trinity and the Deity of Christ. But to answer your question, any unbiased person will note that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all present and evident at the baptism of Jesus of Nazareth.

And Jesus [the Son of God], when He was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto Him, and He saw the Spirit of God [the Holy Spirit] descending like a dove, and lighting upon Him: And lo a voice from Heaven [the voice of God the Father], saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. (Matthew 3:16,17)

As to establishing the Deity of Christ, it does not matter how many Scriptures are presented to cultists. THEY SIMPLY REFUSE TO BELIEVE THE BIBLE. Therefore I will leave you to your false beliefs.

 

[101G]

I am fully aware that you reject the biblical doctrines of the Holy Trinity and the Deity of Christ. But to answer your question, any unbiased person will note that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all present and evident at the baptism of Jesus of Nazareth.

And Jesus [the Son of God], when He was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto Him, and He saw the Spirit of God [the Holy Spirit] descending like a dove, and lighting upon Him: And lo a voice from Heaven [the voice of God the Father], saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. (Matthew 3:16,17)

As to establishing the Deity of Christ, it does not matter how many Scriptures are presented to cultists. THEY SIMPLY REFUSE TO BELIEVE THE BIBLE. Therefore I will leave you to your false beliefs.

there is no scripture stating that the voice at our Lord's baptism was God the Father voice. if so you have two separate Gods.

the verse clearly stated "a voice", it never said it was God the Father's voice or anyone else it just said "a voice". never asume anything.

PICJAG.

 

[Enoch111]

there is no scripture stating that the voice at our Lord's baptism was God the Father voice. if so you have two separate Gods.

This shows how stupid people become when they reject the truth. If your father told someone with reference to you "This is my beloved son" you would have no problem believing that it was your father who said those words. Yet you doubt that it was God the Father who called Jesus His beloved Son, even though Scripture says exactly that. There is an eternal Father-Son relationship within the Godhead, and that is why the Bible says that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God the Father.

 

[101G]

This shows how stupid people become when they reject the truth. If your father told someone with reference to you "This is my beloved son" you would have no problem believing that it was your father who said those words. Yet you doubt that it was God the Father who called Jesus His beloved Son, even though Scripture says exactly that. There is an eternal Father-Son relationship within the Godhead, and that is why the Bible says that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God the Father.

First thanks for the reply, second, who is this speaking from heaven when God told Abraham to Genesis 22:2 "And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of". so God told Abraham to offer his son right. now this,

Genesis 22:12 "And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me".

so Enoch111 who was in Genesis 22:12 speaking "FROM HEAVEN" to Abraham.

your answer please.

PICJAG.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

there is no scripture stating that the voice at our Lord's baptism was God the Father voice. if so you have two separate Gods.

the verse clearly stated "a voice", it never said it was God the Father's voice or anyone else it just said "a voice". never asume anything.

PICJAG.

Huh...? Whose voice was it that said Jesus was his son...?

 

[Dcopymope]

I am fully aware that you reject the biblical doctrines of the Holy Trinity and the Deity of Christ. But to answer your question, any unbiased person will note that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all present and evident at the baptism of Jesus of Nazareth.

And Jesus [the Son of God], when He was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto Him, and He saw the Spirit of God [the Holy Spirit] descending like a dove, and lighting upon Him: And lo a voice from Heaven [the voice of God the Father], saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. (Matthew 3:16,17)

As to establishing the Deity of Christ, it does not matter how many Scriptures are presented to cultists. THEY SIMPLY REFUSE TO BELIEVE THE BIBLE. Therefore I will leave you to your false beliefs.

I just tell those people that if Jesus is anything less than "the word made flesh", then Jesus cannot possibly be our savior, for Paul states that:

(Romans 5:12) "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

(Romans 3:23) "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

It doesn't say that we all 'will' sin, but 'have' sinned just like Adam sinned, because from Gods perspective we already sinned due to him knowing the future. Therefore, the only way for the sacrifice of Jesus to be without blemish, unleavened, or untainted, is if he isn't just another man. When it comes to what was required for the sacrifice to be acceptable as the propitiation for our sins, there wasn't a man on earth that could have possibly fit the bill.

 

[101G]

Huh...? Whose voice was it that said Jesus was his son...?

the bible don't say, but as I'm pointing out in Post #18 it was an angel speaking from heaven on behalf of God. check those scriptures out.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

People need to understand, just because "a" voice comes from heaven it's not automatically God Voice, not so, that an assumption on men part.

PICJAG.