Dcopymope

huh? sure you can! go ahead! just decide who deserves it, and you're on your way :)

@bbyrd009 If I was in charge, I most certainly would be deciding who suffers and who doesn't. Lots and LOTS of laws would be changed that need changing. But that's not what we're talking about are we???

yes, i think that is what we are talking about, pretty much. We change laws all the time, in this pursuit. Don't we?

Whenever you speak the truth, which is the gospel, you are treading upon the serpents neck. THAT is the spiritual truth. If you have a problem with me stomping Satan's face in, then maybe it is you that needs "clarification" of where you stand in the faith, because it sure as hell ain't with God looking at the way you responded.

Well first there no need to speak like that. But I see your easy hurt and offended and not dead to self. First clue of where you are.
Second breaking the works of satan is what we are called to. Thats what I would call stoping on satans face. Not just speaking what you are calling the gospel. Far to many say as we see in here.

If me getting fired up for the Lord and his word is me getting "offended" and not "dead to self", then so be it. Go be dead in yourself, I really don't need your lecture's. I am alive and kicking.

@Dcopymope

So is everything alright there? God has always been awesome and is the smartest one, no matter what other Christians made him out to be, and you don't have to put your trust into what other people say, it's best you put your trust in Jesus and God's written word, there's a lot of philosophy, a lot of man's doctrine in the Church today, when the message of Jesus Christ is simple.

@Dcopymope

If you're are baptized in the Holy Spirit, ask God to clear your mind, focus on Jesus, pray and read the Bible, and the Holy Spirit will bring things that you don't understand to your understanding, it will just come to you, and you can thank the mighty Lord Jesus for that.

i'd love to comment here, if you would just quote "fight the devil" from Scripture first

legal types need ministers of justice, see; you don't. you are called to obey them and pray for them, period. You are not called to trust them, or believe in them, or believe them, or follow them, or even validate them, none of those things

No idea where you got the word "ministers of justice" from. The entire context of Romans 13 began from the start of chapter 12. Paul is speaking to the churches in Rome about how they are to conduct themselves within the church, and how those appointed by God as his ministers within the church as authority figures are to conduct themselves. He is NOT at all speaking about pledging blind obedience to the state.

Who said anything about disregarding the law? Does not believing and treating the "ordinance of man" as ministers of God by default make me a law breaker? Peter said you are to submit yourself to governments that "do well", not "do evil". Submission to government doesn't supersede the well being of you and your family, or in the case of some places like North Korea, your FAITH.

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good points, imo "A or notA" is maybe a poor perspective to have with gov as well

"Does not believing and treating the "ordinance of man" as ministers of God by default make me a law breaker?"
not as long as you keep asking that Q i guess.

"Peter said"
hmm, how do you submit self to a gov after you have left the world? i'm guessing some alt interp is expected; a gov that does not do evil? Obey and pray imo. period.
"Submission"
if only, huh lol, more like wrecks it or something lol