Why do we need priests?

[marksman]

Obfuscate? I have been quite clear that I am referring to the Eucharist. When we celebrate the Eucharist we receive that One Cup of Salvation, that One Bread of Life; that Jesus gave to the apostles.
That One Cup and One Bread continues to be shared and passed on from generation to generation..

Here's a little from St Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch circa 100 AD talking about it:

Let no man be deceived. If any one be not within
the precinct of the altar, he lacketh the bread [of
God]. For, if the prayer of one and another hath so
great force, how much more that of the bishop and of
the whole Church.
Whosoever therefore cometh not to the
congregation, he doth thereby show his pride and hath
separated himself; for it is written, _God resisteth
the proud._ Let us therefore be careful not to resist
the bishop, that by our submission we may give
ourselves to God.

Peace!

So you get the body and blood of Jesus from the eucharist. Please tell me how you do that because the ones I have participated in had a wafer and wine. There was no body or blood of Jesus. I asked a senior teacher at the school I taught at who had been catholic all his life "What does the blood of Jesus taste like and he said it tastes like wine.

 

[Philip James]

So you get the body and blood of Jesus from the eucharist. Please tell me how you do that

Through the power of the Holy Spirit, of course.

As I said before, are you going to listen to your flesh, or the words of your Lord?

He really doesnt give us an option:

As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him.

Jesus then said to the Twelve, "Do you also want to leave?"

Peace!

 

[marksman]

Through the power of the Holy Spirit, of course.

As I said before, are you going to listen to your flesh, or the words of your Lord?

He really doesnt give us an option:

As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him.

Jesus then said to the Twelve, "Do you also want to leave?"

Peace!

So the Holy Spirit turned the wafer into the physical body of Christ and the wine into the blood of Christ. If that is the case, why is it that it never happened once when I was involved in the eucharist?

 

[Philip James]

So the Holy Spirit turned the wafer into the physical body of Christ and the wine into the blood of Christ. If that is the case, why is it that it never happened once when I was involved in the eucharist?

Dear marksman,

Your lack of faith is immaterial to the change occurring.
The 2000 year old witness of the Church in Rome, the Church in Alexandria and the Church in Constantinople affirms the Truth that this is what we received from Christ through the apostles. Where is the 2000 year old apostolic witness that says otherwise?

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Peace be with you!

 

[marksman]

Dear marksman,

Your lack of faith is immaterial to the change occurring.
The 2000 year old witness of the Church in Rome, the Church in Alexandria and the Church in Constantinople affirms the Truth that this is what we received from Christ through the apostles. Where is the 2000 year old apostolic witness that says otherwise?

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Peace be with you!

Thank you for confirming that the wine turning into blood and the wafer turning into flesh is all bull.

 

[Giuliano]

Dear marksman,

Your lack of faith is immaterial to the change occurring.
The 2000 year old witness of the Church in Rome, the Church in Alexandria and the Church in Constantinople affirms the Truth that this is what we received from Christ through the apostles. Where is the 2000 year old apostolic witness that says otherwise?

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Peace be with you!

I lost track of the sites I visited researching this when I was interested in the teachings of these churches. I think I researched the church founded in India too and they taught something similar. I had to conclude it was not a humanly devised tradition of the Catholic Church.

 

[Giuliano]

Thank you for confirming that the wine turning into blood and the wafer turning into flesh is all bull.

If we are walking as we ought, we too should be changing daily. That too is not a change visible to mortal eyes. Could I observe it if your mind is being transformed or transfigured?

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

Yes, I read that as referring to how Christians should conduct themselves, and especially so before partaking of Communion. Care should be taken to have a clear conscience. Christians are doing more than remembering the sacrifice of Jesus; they are also offering themselves as living sacrifices themselves. Care needs to be taken to be rid the self of any known flaws or blemishes. Do this, and especially before Communion, and then the various members of the Body of Christ can come together as they ought.

Now if you have attended Communion in Protestant churches, perhaps there was no real change in the bread and wine. I hope this is the case for then people with consciences not quite clean could not be risking damnation by partaking unworthily, not discerning the Lord's Body was "really" there.

1 Corinthians 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

If it remained mere bread and wine, how could anyone be risking damnation?

 

[BreadOfLife]

We will find that out at the second coming of Christ, won't we? Stories have it that the Catholics will have a special house in heaven just for Catholics because they think they are the only ones there.

"Stories have it"??

That's your problem - you listen to idle nonsense instead of going to the actual Catholic sources to get your wacky information . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I didn't you did.

Yet you can't show me where I did.
I actually quoted your own words . . .

 

[marksman]

Yet you can't show me where I did.
I actually quoted your own words . . .

And you haven't realised when we do show you anything, we are always wrong and you are always right.

 

[marksman]

"Stories have it"??

That's your problem - you listen to idle nonsense instead of going to the actual Catholic sources to get your wacky information . . .

Your arrogance and pride is overwhelming.

 

[marksman]

If we are walking as we ought, we too should be changing daily. That too is not a change visible to mortal eyes. Could I observe it if your mind is being transformed or transfigured?

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

Yes, I read that as referring to how Christians should conduct themselves, and especially so before partaking of Communion. Care should be taken to have a clear conscience. Christians are doing more than remembering the sacrifice of Jesus; they are also offering themselves as living sacrifices themselves. Care needs to be taken to be rid the self of any known flaws or blemishes. Do this, and especially before Communion, and then the various members of the Body of Christ can come together as they ought.

Now if you have attended Communion in Protestant churches, perhaps there was no real change in the bread and wine. I hope this is the case for then people with consciences not quite clean could not be risking damnation by partaking unworthily, not discerning the Lord's Body was "really" there.

1 Corinthians 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

If it remained mere bread and wine, how could anyone be risking damnation?

Thank you for confirming once again that it turning into blood and flesh is all bull.

 

[Giuliano]

Thank you for confirming once again that it turning into blood and flesh is all bull.

I guess if you don't discern the Lord's body in it, you don't.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Perhaps you have too high opinion of yourself? People with too high an opinion of themselves do not make good priests or kings.


Make up your mind. First you say no one needs anyone to act as a priest between him and God. Next you say Christians must come through Jesus who acts as High Priest. Which is it?

I assure you that I pray for some sinners and I do not feel as if I'm usurping the place of Jesus. On the contrary, my hope is that they come to know Jesus. If they do, they no longer need my prayers so much.

As if you know from experience. I think I can speak from experience. I consider Mary a friend and would say she's done favors for me, just as she did for the people at Cana. I guess you would consider me delusional. My impression is that Jesus loves her and likes to do favors for her when she asks. She also likes to do favors for people. If you want to think your spiritual standing is equal to hers, I guess you can believe that.

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I don't respond to accusative "you" messages.

The doctrine that one has to confess their sins to a human priest and be absolved by him is a total fraud and God does not acknowledge it.

 

[marksman]

I guess if you don't discern the Lord's body in it, you don't.

Thank you for yet again, confirming that the flesh and blood thing is a farce.

 

[Giuliano]

I don't respond to accusative "you" messages.

Is it an accusation to point out how you contradicted yourself? Did the cat get your tongue?

The doctrine that one has to confess their sins to a human priest and be absolved by him is a total fraud and God does not acknowledge it.

You're still not making sense. Did I say people needed to confess their sins to a human priest? Do you even read my posts? I'm beginning to wonder if you've read the Bible and how seriously you take it. You seem unwilling to respond to certain passages. I guess I shouldn't be annoyed if you don't read and understand what I post. (How is that for me be accusative?)

 

[Giuliano]

Thank you for yet again, confirming that the flesh and blood thing is a farce.

You have nothing to say, not really. It looks to me as if you are here to vex Catholics. Time to put you on ignore.

 

[Giuliano]

Through the power of the Holy Spirit, of course.

As I said before, are you going to listen to your flesh, or the words of your Lord?

He really doesnt give us an option:

As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him.

Jesus then said to the Twelve, "Do you also want to leave?"

Peace!

I realize this post wasn't directed to me, but I am curious about something and am interested in your opinion. I am uncertain about much of what Paul wrote. The following passage suggests to me that he may have been thinking of the Eucharist when he composed it -- it also seems connected to your answer, "Through the power of the Holy Spirit, of course." There is a part that precedes it where Paul mentions that it seems as if a veil is still over the hearts of the Jews. It seems to me that there may be a veil on the hearts of some Gentiles too, that some are blinded also so they too can see only the physical bread and wine.

2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

I won't object if you have another take on it, but it looks connected to the Eucharist to me and to 1 Corinthians 11:29 where Paul says some do not discern the Lord's body. I do hope however that you believe partaking of the Eucharist "really" changes people too. In my book, changing people is what it's about. Some may think the transformation of the bread and wine into the Spiritual Body and Blood is a miracle; but I think a bigger miracle can occur to those who believe and partake worthily.

 

[BreadOfLife]

And you haven't realised when we do show you anything, we are always wrong and you are always right.

I have challenged YOU and ALL of your fellow anti-Catholics to prove me wrong.
So far - you have failed.

That's not MY fault.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Your arrogance and pride is overwhelming.

Soooooo, when I catch you in a lie - I'm "arrogant".
BUT, if I stay silent and let you get away with lying - then I'm just another "dumb Catholic."

If exposing your lies is "arrogance" - then I'm guilty as charged . . .