Romans 7 and 8 without confusing verses

[onlyme17]

There is a difference between being sinless and perfect. As long as I forgive others their trespasses against me and do not hold anything against anyone, the Father forgives me of my trespasses that I don't even know about. So sinless, yes. Perfect, no; otherwise I wouldn't commit any unintentional sins to begin with.

Another Amen here. And good clarity. So many cannot yet grasp what was really done at the cross.

 

[onlyme17]

here in Roman 6, God give us the answer as to how to overcome sin in our lives. as like CHRIST died unto sin once, likewise we, (when Baptized in to "HIS" death, by water baptism), die to sin once. so it's by FAITH, the evidence in consideration that gives us the victory over sin.

bottom line "ACT" like you're DEAD.

PICJAG.

Yes, in other words, believe what God says about us, and who He says we are 'in Him', and not believe what the Enemy tells us that we are not.

We remember how the Enemy came to Jesus in the wilderness and said -
"IF you be the son of God then...."

Our believing unto the end, is in what God says , not what the Enemy says as in - " Hath God said thou shalt not eat of..."
There is always the undercutting of our faith. And it seems that the Enemy has convinced many a christian who chooses to believe him
They are not unbelievers, but neither are they believing-believers.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Roman's 7

The Christian in Romans 7

That's huge. It is a simple answer yes or no. Can you now hear God's voice, and I don't mean by reading His Word. For example: Can you hear God telling you what to pray so you know it is His will and it will be answered?

 

[CharismaticLady]

This would make no difference in your errant message, as per you "true christians" never sin after salvation, they're perfectly sinless.

I'm not asking you to tell me what I believe, but what do YOU believe. Do you believe your past, present and future sins are already forgiven while you commit them?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Provided that I remain in the faith, all my sins are forgiven.
All the request requires humility and faith in God's supernatural gifts. Sorry CL, I'm not seeing the humility, faith and wisdom in your self-exalting comments.

Isn't willful sinning and staying in the faith a dichotomy?

Self-exalting? I can do nothing in my flesh. It is all the power of the Spirit, but I can understand you wanting to discredit me, but really you are discrediting the Word of God I am quoting.

 

[CharismaticLady]

No, I'm adamantly non-denominational, ...I said what I said, because your views seem very isolated.
Although your rebuttal is valid, at least to assume that i was a denominationalist, it doesn't apply in this case.

Most people who say they are non-denominational belong to a congregation with the same doctrines. Like there are cessationist non-denominationalists, and continuist non-denominationalists. There are OSAS non-denominationalists, and Arminian non-denominationalists. What are your beliefs regarding these categories?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Amen!!
I used to struggle as a young christian with Ch 7 but all things became clear when I learned that there was no gap in the original between Chap 7 and 8.
7. Paul while under the law, and 8 Paul in the newness of Christ life in him.

Yes, it is clear as a bell when read in context.

 

[reformed1689]

But there is no struggle when a person has been born again of the Spirit as Paul was.

This is flat out wrong and heresy.

 

[amadeus]

Try holding a book out at arm's length, all day long.
Even if someone could do that,
they would not be free from sin, yet.
So also, anyone who uses a lot of words to post, sins.
It is written:
"Where there are many words, sin is NOT LACKING"

(yes, this does not exclude me, myself nor I)

And was Jesus a liar?

"And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:26-27

Did Jesus overcome his own temptation to sin so that he never sinned? Can he not do the same thing in us if we allow him always to be our Head?

"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:" Col 1:27

Is this not why the Apostle Paul admonishes us about quenching the Spirit?

"Quench not the Spirit." I Thess 5:19

What each needs to do is what Jesus did: overcome the world! [John 16:33]

The power of God in us can and will do exactly that if we allow it...

 

[CharismaticLady]

This is flat out wrong and heresy.

You can either walk in the flesh, or walk in the Spirit. Paul said not to quench the Spirit. So the moral of the story is, to have no struggle with sin stay in the Spirit. If you can't do that, it means a lack of love for God. But if you love Him with all your heart you will stay in the Spirit and endure to the end. It is not surprising that you have a struggle. So, DT, it is only heresy to you, not to Paul.

 

[Joseph77]

Staying in the spirit as many people do, doesn't help them.

(wrong spirit)

 

[reformed1689]

You can either walk in the flesh, or walk in the Spirit. Paul said not to quench the Spirit. So the moral of the story is, to have no struggle with sin stay in the Spirit. If you can't do that, it means a lack of love for God. But if you love Him with all your heart you will stay in the Spirit and endure to the end. It is not surprising that you have a struggle. So, DT, it is only heresy to you, not to Paul.

No, this just means you misinterpret Scripture.

 

[Joseph77]

No, this just means you misinterpret Scripture.

I thought so also, that she misinterpreted Scripture , and that is certainly possible,

and it is also possible she simply "listened" to another voice, and followed it.... like billions do today... (following other voices instead of Jesus' Voice) ... There are many such 'voices', telling people things, tempting them every day, getting most of them to fall....

 

[Joseph77]

Well considering she thinks she travelled back in time to the crucifixion....I wonder if that other voice isn't a substance or something....

I don't know about that.. a quote would be needed to verify her posting that ...

 

[101G]

Yes, in other words, believe what God says about us, and who He says we are 'in Him', and not believe what the Enemy tells us that we are not.

We remember how the Enemy came to Jesus in the wilderness and said -
"IF you be the son of God then...."

Our believing unto the end, is in what God says , not what the Enemy says as in - " Hath God said thou shalt not eat of..."
There is always the undercutting of our faith. And it seems that the Enemy has convinced many a christian who chooses to believe him
They are not unbelievers, but neither are they believing-believers.

on point, and correct. it's what God says about you, for the proverb is true, Proverbs 18:21 "Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof".
God's tongue is final, and he has written it down. Hebrews 5:5 "So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee". ok if he has begotten him, and we who are in him...... Acts 13:32 "And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
Acts 13:33 "God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Acts 13:34 "And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Acts 13:35 "Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Acts 13:36 "For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
Acts 13:37 "But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
Acts 13:38 "Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
Acts 13:39 "And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

how many things are we who are in Christ justified from....... all things, Glory to God. one might want to read that again.

Thanks onlyme, for bringing this out. many christian have no clue as to what is being said here in Acts 13. Oh if the christian just knew.

be bless,

PICJAG.

 

[Dcopymope]

Well considering she thinks she travelled back in time to the crucifixion....I wonder if that other voice isn't a substance or something....

.....

 

[DNB]

Isn't willful sinning and staying in the faith a dichotomy?

Self-exalting? I can do nothing in my flesh. It is all the power of the Spirit, but I can understand you wanting to discredit me, but really you are discrediting the Word of God I am quoting.

I am questioning your claim of being sinless. This is impossible, and I don't mean theoretically.

 

[Joseph77]

Oh I would have to go back and find it but she definitely said it.

The verdict / confirmation of it then remains waiting.

 

[Dcopymope]

I am questioning your claim of being sinless. This is impossible, and I don't mean theoretically.

She basically admitted she isn't sinless, because a person who attains true "sinless perfection" would be able to stand before God and see him as he really is in his true heavenly form and not die. That was the end of the discussion for me.

 

[Joseph77]

I was witness to it. She said it directly to me and I called her out on it. This was several months ago. Unfortunately, the search feature on this forum is terrible.

Understood.

IF it works, I sometimes use the google like this: < site:www.forum(name of site).com crucifixion item item item >
and that sometimes works... sometimes not.

that search engine is more and more compromised though - it is heavily censored .... and I don't know how to use the "site:" function in duckduck or dogpile etc (other search engines) ....