Romans 7 and 8 without confusing verses

[CharismaticLady]

You seem to think there is a difference between sin and trespass....sin is sin. Period.

You are aware that John Calvin didn't die for you, aren't you?

 

[amadeus]

You seem to think there is a difference between sin and trespass....sin is sin. Period.

You are still bad about providing scripture to support your beliefs. The Bible does show there are differences. Did you even read the verse she cited?

Sin is sin but there are differences. What of these verses?

"And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." Matt 12:32

"So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." Rev 3:16

"If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death." I John 5:16-17

And why is it that in the OT under the law given to Moses the punishment for pre-meditated sins was death... no atonement possible, whereas sins of ignorance could be set aside with a sacrifice?

 

[CharismaticLady]

When I'm not testing a post/ statement/ message, and accept something that turns out to be wrong, woe is me...
Lies are most common everywhere - so before accepting anything, it must be passing the test(s) of truth, as written as revealed by God.
EVEN if THE APOSTLE PAUL , PETER, JAMES, etc , delivered a message -
it was TO BE TESTED before being accepted....

how much more anything TODAY .....

I was responding to his blatant false statement that he posted to you.

"Well considering she thinks she travelled back in time to the crucifixion....I wonder if that other voice isn't a substance or something...."

I do remember someone asking me if I ever traveled to heaven and saw the face of God. I thought that was a weird off-the-wall question, but maybe someone is claiming to spirit travel or something. But it wasn't me.

 

[CharismaticLady]

You are still bad about providing scripture to support your beliefs. The Bible does show there are differences. Did you even read the verse she cited?

Sin is sin but there are differences. What of these verses?

"And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." Matt 12:32

"So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." Rev 3:16

"If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death." I John 5:16-17

And why is it that in the OT under the law given to Moses the punishment for pre-meditated sins was death... no atonement possible, whereas sins of ignorance could be set aside with a sacrifice?

He just parrots John Calvin. Not much of a Berean to see if Calvin is scriptural.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Yes, we sin unintentionally, called trespasses. Leviticus 5:15. But as we forgive others their trespasses against us, God forgives us our own trespasses, making our slate clean.

You seem to think there is a difference between sin and trespass....sin is sin. Period.

Exactly!

 

[CharismaticLady]

Exactly!

You like Calvin too don't you.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

That's funny because unfortunately, I'm seeing a lot of disdain for others coming from you.

 

[friend of]

So if any Christian struggles with any sin at all, like a presumptive sin, they are not born again?

Are we not to struggle against sin for the duration that we inhabit sinful flesh?

 

[amadeus]

He just parrots John Calvin. Not much of a Berean to see if Calvin is scriptural.

This is unfortunate. I once had a lengthy conversation with him and at times I thought he was really listening to me, but he always fell back on his Absolute doctrine from his own gathering and never is willing to step out on faith in God. His established conclusions leave no room for God to increase him. Unchanged, stagnation is what I would expect.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

You like Calvin too don't you.

I love all my brothers.

 

[friend of]

That's pretty depressing.

If I am not born again then at this rate I'll never be. The "epiphany" phase of my walk with God has long passed.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

He just parrots John Calvin. Not much of a Berean to see if Calvin is scriptural.

Show us one post of his where he has parroted Calvin. :)

 

[CharismaticLady]

This is unfortunate. I once had a lengthy conversation with him and at times I thought he was really listening to me, but he always fell back on his Absolute doctrine from his own gathering and never is willing to step out on faith in God. His established conclusions leave no room for God to increase him. Unchanged, stagnation is what I would expect.

I understand what you are saying. I've seen it too.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Show us one post of his where he has parroted Calvin. :)

Take your pick. It is all he knows.

 

[DNB]

Yes, we sin unintentionally, called trespasses. Leviticus 5:15. But as we forgive others their trespasses against us, God forgives us our own trespasses, making our slate clean.

Too subjective. And plus, now, you seem to be talking about being sinless in a figurative sense. We've established that already, the faithful are entirely forgiven for their sins. But, they still sin in practice. Are we going in circles now?

 

[DNB]

Then you are a little like me. My beliefs are only what the Bible says. And if I see something in scripture that appears to be a contradiction, I ask the Father what the one truth is.

Well, I pray each night also for wisdom, insight, and many other things. But, again, these request require a great deal of humility and faith, of which, I have extremely little of both. Are you claiming otherwise about yourself, or that my initial predicate is incorrect, that faith and humility are required to receive assistance from God?

 

[amadeus]

Too subjective. And plus, now, you seem to be talking about being sinless in a figurative sense. We've established that already, the faithful are entirely forgiven for their sins. But, they still sin in practice. Are we going in circles now?

"...they still sin in practice" except for any who have already overcome the world as did Jesus... Are there none? Who knowing not the hearts of every man would say it? The only thing which stops any believer from doing it is the man himself. This is man choosing to limit God... as he too often still does:

"Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel" Psalm 78:41

 

[reformed1689]

You are aware that John Calvin didn't die for you, aren't you?

Never claimed such Heresy you disgraceful woman.

 

[reformed1689]

Show us one post of his where he has parroted Calvin. :)

Yeah, I doubt I have ever even quoted Calvin here.

 

[reformed1689]

This is unfortunate. I once had a lengthy conversation with him and at times I thought he was really listening to me, but he always fell back on his Absolute doctrine from his own gathering and never is willing to step out on faith in God. His established conclusions leave no room for God to increase him. Unchanged, stagnation is what I would expect.

Truth doesn't change.