Virgin Mary Had Other Children After Jesus

[Jane_Doe22]

Maybe you should be telling them the same, because they are certainly not being a bit respectful to me. In fact, their responses bring their Church into disrepute and advertise accusative, abusive, acrimonious and acidic behaviour as normal for them.

Does somebody else behaving badly permit you to behave badly?

 

[Dcopymope]

Does somebody else behaving badly permit you to behave badly?

Am I supposed to turn the other cheek and allow myself to be verbally abused like a little punk? Would these same arm chair warriors talk to somebody the same way face to face on the streets? I don't care how "sanctimonious" you claim to be, there is a limit to what we will tolerate. Even God has a limit, eventually his patience will run thin with this world.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Does somebody else behaving badly permit you to behave badly?

If you were passing by and saw a car with a family in it stalled on the railway tracks and a train was bearing down on them, would you go up to the car and say in a sweet respectful voice, "I don't want to offend you, but I think you should get out of the car right now"?

Or would you yank the door open and pull them out as fast as you can?

Then how much more important is it when we are talking to people who are in danger of corrupting their faith with doctrines of demons, and warning them, even though it might offend their pet beliefs, might make the difference between heaven and hell for them?

 

[Grailhunter]

fdfds

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Am I supposed to turn the other cheek and allow myself to be verbally abused like a little punk? Would these same arm chair warriors talk to somebody the same way face to face on the streets? I don't care how "sanctimonious" you claim to be, there is a limit to what we will tolerate. Even God has a limit, eventually his patience will run thin with this world.

If somebody is continually abusive, then you walk away and pray for them. You don't punch back.

 

[Dcopymope]

If somebody is continually abusive, then you walk away and pray for them. You don't punch back.

Walking away is not always an option. Sometimes the best option is to retaliate and put them on their ass. Christianity is not about being a pushover.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

If you were passing by and saw a car with a family in it stalled on the railway tracks and a train was bearing down on them, would you go up to the car and say in a sweet respectful voice, "I don't want to offend you, but I think you should get out of the car right now"?

Or would you yank the door open and pull them out as fast as you can?

Then how much more important is it when we are talking to people who are in danger of corrupting their faith with doctrines of demons, and warning them, even though it might offend their pet beliefs, might make the difference between heaven and hell for them?

If somebody chooses to do something stupid/dangerous/etc and they know better: then you let them. Just as Christ does.

Never does Christ force. Never does Christ hit or abuse back. Rather Christ preaches with love -- not acid and abuse.

 

[Joseph77]

Love and treat every person with respect.
Even those that hate you.
Even those that you hate and consider enemies.

If you want to be on a Protestant-only forum, there's a lot of them out there.

This post of yours is non-sequitur (does not follow from anything I've posted).

I'm not Protestant.

I only hate what God hates, as God says in Scripture (see in the Bible what and who HE SAYS HE HATES).

I DO BLESS mine enemies, and this as the Father Reveals to do in His Word and By His Spirit.

I do not consider anyone mine enemy, unless they oppose Jesus AND Jesus says they are enemies of the Gospel - in which case they are God's enemies (and bringing death to all around them) and they are subjects of the prince of darkness as written in Ephesians and in Galatians and in Revelation, and in complete harmony with all Scripture .

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Walking away is not always an option. .

You can walk away from any thread at any time.
You can walk away from any poster at anytime -- you can even click "ignore" and all of their posts ever will be removed from your screen.

 

[Joseph77]

If you were passing by and saw a car with a family in it stalled on the railway tracks and a train was bearing down on them, would you go up to the car and say in a sweet respectful voice, "I don't want to offend you, but I think you should get out of the car right now"?

Or would you yank the door open and pull them out as fast as you can?

Then how much more important is it when we are talking to people who are in danger of corrupting their faith with doctrines of demons, and warning them, even though it might offend their pet beliefs, might make the difference between heaven and hell for them?

Apparently, some think that we are supposed to let those who are doomed, to destruction, because of their own unbelief,
and their own opposition to the Bible, and their own opposition to Jesus,
we are to let those doomed just go and be hit by the train... ?
Does that seem right to you ?

 

[Taken]

More of your patented Scriptural ignorance.
time for another Bible lesson . . .

Foolish talk precedes your lack of UNDERSTANDING!

God was NEVER against the creation of images -

Ex 20:4
[4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

What do understand that to mean?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

This post of yours is non-sequitur (does not follow from anything I've posted).

I'm not Protestant.

I only hate what God hates, as God says in Scripture (see in the Bible what and who HE SAYS HE HATES).

I DO BLESS mine enemies, and this as the Father Reveals to do in His Word and By His Spirit.

I do not consider anyone mine enemy, unless they oppose Jesus AND Jesus says they are enemies of the Gospel - in which case they are God's enemies (and bringing death to all around them) and they are subjects of the prince of darkness as written in Ephesians and in Galatians and in Revelation, and in complete harmony with all Scripture .

"43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."
Matthew 5, emphasis mine.

 

[Grailhunter]

@Paul Christensen Sorry the forum would not work with your post.
But, the RCC has certain doctrines that are the equivalent to rat poison for Christian believers - prayers to Mary and the Saints, worshiping the container that contains the wafer, kneeling and worshiping statues of Mary and Christ, the pagan Mass, confessing to a mortal priest instead of directly to God, faith plus works, observing the authority of the pope and following his teaching instead of listening to the indwelling Holy Spirit. Because these doctrines are killers that poison the faith of true believers, then I am in opposition to them, and can have no fellowship with those doctrines.

Small bubble partner, small bubble. So Christ establishes His Church on earth and then Christ and His mother spends the next 2000 years appearing to people and performing miracles and you think that nothing is going to change? Was the Christians suppose to tell them to go away? The first Christian church that we know of was a house that was converted to a church in 240 ad. Not many churches were built during the persecutions....congregating in known areas made for easy capture.

It is called fundamentalism...the foundation of Christianity was set in the first 65 years, but there was much more to learn...the building of the religion on that foundation. Solid foundation, but not the building. If all you are worried about is yourself and how to be saved....fundamentalism is the religion for you. But over the next 2000 years Christ and Mary taught the Catholics a lot more than that.

Now the oldest Protestant religions are something over 500 years and none this has happened to them. Maybe Christ knows if He appeared to the Protestants and told them anything different than what they understand, that they would tell Him to pack sand. Maybe He knows that if He sent His mother, that they would be disrespectful to her and reject her. And that goes for any of the rituals that He taught to the Catholics. They are not in the Bible so would the Protestants reject them. Tell Christ to His face, It is not in the Bible or is different than the Bible so you must be of the devil! Protestants...some Protestants hear the words of the Holy Spirit, but the Holy Spirit knows that that communication can only include the fundamental understanding of Christianity. Anything other than that and they will freak!

It is mind boggling to think that someone would think that God would do nothing for 2000 years.

 

[Dcopymope]

You can walk away from any thread at any time.
You can walk away from any poster at anytime -- you can even click "ignore" and all of their posts ever will be removed from your screen.

Sure, but not after clapping back and shutting him down.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Small bubble partner, small bubble. So Christ establishes His Church on earth and then Christ and His mother spends the next 2000 years appearing to people and performing miracles and you think that nothing is going to change? Was the Christians suppose to tell them to go away? The first Christian church that we know of was a house that was converted to a church in 240 ad. Not many churches were built during the persecutions....congregating in known areas made for easy capture.

I'd accept what you are saying - except the reference to Christ's mother. Mary is not in heaven with Christ at all. That is one of the poisonous soul-destroying doctrines that is tantamount to idolatry. Mary is in the grave awaiting the resurrection of the just in Christ.

It is called fundamentalism...the foundation of Christianity was set in the first 65 years, but there was much more to learn...the building of the religion on that foundation. Solid foundation, but not the building. If all you are worried about is yourself and how to be saved....fundamentalism is the religion for you. But over the next 2000 years Christ and Mary taught the Catholics a lot more than that.

Christ taught everything the church needed to know through the books of the New Testament. The devil came along and taught the Catholics that Mary is their "Queen of Heaven", but didn't let on that he was installing an imaginary pagan Queen of Heaven instead.

Now the oldest Protestant religions are something over 500 years and none this has happened to them. Maybe Christ knows if He appeared to the Protestants and told them anything different than what they understand, that they would tell Him to pack sand.

Martin Luther went to Rome thinking that going there would sort him out and establish his faith in God so that he could stop believing that God hated him. instead, when seeing the priests with prostitutes, having fornication with nuns, having adultery with the wives of parishoners, and all the illegitimate children, he became even more disillusioned with the Church and fired up his desire to bring reforms to it. Then he discovered that the Bible told him he was justified by faith and not by works, and that revolutionised his view of God and what Christ did for him on the cross. And the rest is history. Then he realised that Mary the Queen of Heaven was an imaginary idol and the pope was the Anti-Christ.

Maybe He knows that if He sent His mother, that they would be disrespectful to her and reject her.

They would know that an appearance of Mary would be a demonic vision and they would reject it out of hand, because they would have known that the real Mary is still in the grave awaiting the Last Day resurrection of believers.

And that goes for any of the rituals that He taught to the Catholics. They are not in the Bible so would the Protestants reject them.

It is because genuine believers in Christ know that the Bible contains everything that God has to say to mankind, and adding to it brings a rebuke from God, exposing anyone who adds to it is a liar (Proverbs 30:5-6)

Tell Christ to His face, It is not in the Bible or is different than the Bible so you must be of the devil!

Old news. The Jewish Pharisees accused Jesus of being demon possessed.

Protestants...some Protestants may have the Holy Spirit communicating with them, but the Holy Spirit knows that that communication can only include the fundamental understanding of Christianity. Anything other than that and they will freak!

The Holy Spirit speaks only what He has said previously in the Biblical record. Anything else comes from another spirit which is not of God.

It is mind boggling to think that someone would think that God would do nothing for 2000 years.

He hasn't. He has been active in saving sinners from hell through the true gospel of Christ.

 

[Paul Christensen]

If somebody chooses to do something stupid/dangerous/etc and they know better: then you let them. Just as Christ does.

Never does Christ force. Never does Christ hit or abuse back. Rather Christ preaches with love -- not acid and abuse.

Tell that to our RCC friends. They are the ones who are responding with acid and abuse. I am just being forthright in exposing false doctrines of demons, and warning people who believe in them that they are risking their future in the judgment.

 

[Joseph77]

Or worse: someone , small, tiny, little one, seeker, weak believer,

seeing the false teachings,

losing their souls for it.....

 

[Joseph77]

"43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."
Matthew 5, emphasis mine.

Do you choose only to accept the Scripture that is comfortable to you ?

When God says something is accursed, and not to bless it (like anyone who brings a false gospel teaching),

will you then tell God it is not accursed ? !

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Do you choose only to accept the Scripture that is comfortable to you ?

When God says something is accursed, and not to bless it (like anyone who brings a false gospel teaching),

will you then tell God it is not accursed ? !

There's a difference between
1) Flaming/abusing people.
2) Stating beliefs in a calm, respectful, and loving manner.

 

[Taken]

step by step: (almost rhetorical) Is Jesus Saved ?
of course.
Did Jesus perfectly honor His Father God Almighty Creator ?
yes.
Did Jesus "lose" His Salvation(bear with me) because He honored His Father God Almighty Creator ?
?
.... no

That seems silly, weird, or strange ?

Well, if someone following, trusting, by faith, obeying Jesus is Saved,
then if they as a disciple honor His Father God Almighty Creator
would they lose their salvation because they honored His Father God Almighty Creator ?
?

No.