Some people have estimated that 2/3rds of Scripture is prophetic, -- and Jesus' words do not comprise those 2/3rds of the Bible. So maybe there's Scriptural evidence of future events in other texts for which portions may delineate the end times with a particular precision.
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The precision only comes by staying on watch for the signs He gave coming to pass, not with trying to set a certain day or year. Those signs, like the Seals of Rev.6, lead all the way up to His day of return. And there are many, many last day prophecies given in both the Old and New Testament Books which help to discover the events and their order of coming to pass.
" ... there are many, many last day prophecies given in both the Old and New Testament Books which help to discover the events and their order of coming to pass."
Do you know them all? Are there none with sufficient specificity to define the year as proposed? Do you know, and are you able to refute the basis?
If so please proceed.
Do you know them all? Are there none with sufficient specificity to define the year as proposed? Do you know, and are you able to refute the basis?
If so please proceed.
Nope. There are none that allow one to set a specific day or year for Christ's second coming, including both the OT and NT Scriptures. But there are those who think to play around with numerology and gematria using God's Word who wrongly think they can determine that.
We can only know by the signs God gave us in His Word as... they come to pass.
So then you know all Prophetic Scripture. And I presume you can refute the text which does provide such substantiation.
So please refute that text.
Anyone that has bothered to read and study all of God's Word well knows no one is given to know the specific day or hour of Christ's second coming. Belief otherwise is to wrongly assume they know when Christ Jesus said no man, not even the angels of Heaven, would know when that specific day is except The Father (Matt.24:36).
Very Good, veteran. Now can one know the "week" (7), the "month" (30), the "season" (3), the "year" (1) , the "decade" (10), the "score" (20), the "century" (100), the "daytona" (500), or the "millennia" (1,000)?
So far Scripture directly supports the identification of the "year". Discernment might yield the "season". Sufficient study might reveal the "week", But I know of nothing which can identify the "day" or the "hour". :)
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Much confusion has resulted from those that preach from the pulpit, with what I like to call, 'a Bible in one hand and a newspaper in the other'. Frankly, I believe it is counter-productive to base eschatological predictions on numerology, or timelines of what one considers as "a generation". Those that currently occupy the Holy Land have more resemblance to the false Jewry of Rev. 2:9 and Rev. 3:9 than the true Israelite descendants of Abraham. By their fruits ye shall know them.
Christ will indeed one day descend from the clouds upon the Mount of Olives, but I assure you it will NOT be a joyous occasion for most of the inhabitants of Jerusalem. The Day of the Lord will be a day of great wrath, vengeance, massive earthquakes, tumult, dread, fear, trembling and death such as the world has ever seen! Maranatha!
Christ will indeed one day descend from the clouds upon the Mount of Olives, but I assure you it will NOT be a joyous occasion for most of the inhabitants of Jerusalem. The Day of the Lord will be a day of great wrath, vengeance, massive earthquakes, tumult, dread, fear, trembling and death such as the world has ever seen! Maranatha!
I don't know how you arrive at that "year" idea, but I definitely recognize that God's Word helps us determine the "season" of Christ's coming; nor literally the year, nor week, nor day, nor hour.
Hi James,
You miss that prophecy is failed, unless it comes to pass. Thus we must use history books and newspapers as appropriate. Maybe the confusion you experience is not due to ability but capability. And where so many verses allow the former, so many people are limited by the latter.
If you add to or take away from Scripture, you take great risk, (Ref. Rev. 22:18). Scripture specifically excludes knowing the "day" or the "hour". Furthermore, it specifies the "year". The only remaining question is whether one can arrive to a "season", or "month", or "week". And where I have confidence in knowing the "season", others are more proficient at the "month" or possibly the "week". But not even the esteemed posters in this forum (in spite of their assertions) know the "day" or the "hour", -- in agreement with Scripture.
You shouldn't even bring up the matter of adding or taking away, seeing how you purposefully mis-quoted my paragraph about the identity of God's two witnesses on another thread, completely leaving out a whole sentence I had written so you could TRY... and wrongly associate it instead with the ten kings subject of Rev.17.
If you add to or take away from Scripture, you take great risk, (Ref. Rev. 22:18). Scripture specifically excludes knowing the "day" or the "hour". Furthermore, it specifies the "year". The only remaining question is whether one can arrive to a "season", or "month", or "week". And where I have confidence in knowing the "season", others are more proficient at the "month" or possibly the "week". But not even the esteemed posters in this forum (in spite of their assertions) know the "day" or the "hour", -- in agreement with Scripture.
The point stands.
If you have another point related to 1948 or 1967, then please present it. If it's unrelated to this Topic, then please post your thoughts in THAT Topic. :)
You're a deceiver and have proven your dishonesty by intentionally mis-quoting me to serve your own selfish purpose. Your words are not to be trusted!
You're upset because you assert knowledge without specifics, and substance without foundation. You cannot answer the any of the 9 points presented in the Topic "The 7th and 8th King", (http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/15474-the-7th-and-8th-king/page__pid__144085#entry144085) and apparently believe that just because you are ignorant, that others are the same.
So I would suggest that either you put up or (how's that phrase end?), by answering the 9 points as presented, -- either here (Off Topic) or in "The 7th and 8th King". -- Or you could continue to slander. :)
When I first became a Christian in 1980, I was told that God is coming back soon. And I do mean SOON.
I was told that a generation is 40 years and since Israel became a nation in 1948, that means that God will be back before 1988.
Yeah, that didn't pan out, so suddenly a generation was 'discovered' to mean 60 years, meaning Christ would return by 2008.
And of course, shortly after the end of 2008, it was suddenly 'discovered' that 'generation' can mean 70 years.
The most recent projections I have heard are 120 and/or 140 years.
Thankfully, I wasn't drawn into that as an early Christian and I still avoid all timetable talk based on that altogether.
I will say this, though. The end is coming soon.....
I don't mean tomorrow or next month, or next year, or five years from now.
But I do believe in the next 15-30 years.
That is my belief, but I never preach on it or use it in witnessing to new Christians.
And I normally only discuss it in detail with other Christians in a 'what if' environment.
One of the reasons I believe this is because prophetic events are coming to pass - things that even laymen are commenting on - and the speed with which these events are happening appears to be slowly creshendoing.
But if it makes you feel better look at it outside the Christian scope, if you wish.
Previous societies that that have embraced the "freedoms" of obsessive self-indulgences and perversions in the past - to the point of open hostility to those who do not embrace them - have devolved into nothing.
The faster they become "enlightened" and embraced those destructive behaviors, the faster their societies have decayed into oblivion from within.
That is EXACTLY what is happening today. Especially within the United States, a country which - cornball as it sounds - God HAS shed His Grace upon.
However, as man has turned his back on God, God has slowly but steadily been returning the favor.
But this time, when it is the United States that collapes from within, there is not earthly "Shining City on a Hill" that the world will be able to look to for moral guidance or support.
Something darker and more sinister will step in to fill the void.
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I was told that a generation is 40 years and since Israel became a nation in 1948, that means that God will be back before 1988.
Yeah, that didn't pan out, so suddenly a generation was 'discovered' to mean 60 years, meaning Christ would return by 2008.
And of course, shortly after the end of 2008, it was suddenly 'discovered' that 'generation' can mean 70 years.
The most recent projections I have heard are 120 and/or 140 years.
Thankfully, I wasn't drawn into that as an early Christian and I still avoid all timetable talk based on that altogether.
I will say this, though. The end is coming soon.....
I don't mean tomorrow or next month, or next year, or five years from now.
But I do believe in the next 15-30 years.
That is my belief, but I never preach on it or use it in witnessing to new Christians.
And I normally only discuss it in detail with other Christians in a 'what if' environment.
One of the reasons I believe this is because prophetic events are coming to pass - things that even laymen are commenting on - and the speed with which these events are happening appears to be slowly creshendoing.
But if it makes you feel better look at it outside the Christian scope, if you wish.
Previous societies that that have embraced the "freedoms" of obsessive self-indulgences and perversions in the past - to the point of open hostility to those who do not embrace them - have devolved into nothing.
The faster they become "enlightened" and embraced those destructive behaviors, the faster their societies have decayed into oblivion from within.
That is EXACTLY what is happening today. Especially within the United States, a country which - cornball as it sounds - God HAS shed His Grace upon.
However, as man has turned his back on God, God has slowly but steadily been returning the favor.
But this time, when it is the United States that collapes from within, there is not earthly "Shining City on a Hill" that the world will be able to look to for moral guidance or support.
Something darker and more sinister will step in to fill the void.
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That's really the way our Lord Jesus wants us to look at the timing of His return; it's to be according to the signs He gave us to watch for, not the attempt to set dates. The gist of His commanding us to learn the parable of a fig tree was so as to know in general, what era to really be paying attention in order to watch for the signs He gave in His Olivet Discourse.
Could it be that when Christ said this He was telling us that those that some of those that were alive at the time and actually saw Israel become a nation again would still be alive at His return? We have no way of knowing how long some of those people might live. Some die young and others may live to be over 100. The man who was 60 at that time may not live long enough but a 2 year old at the time that lives to be 100 most likely would. When Christ said that generation was he referring to all alive when Israel became a nation? Or is it possible He was referring, to the youngest alive, at that time? Consider this there are many alive who saw Israel become a nation in 1948. Some of the younger ones would only be in there 60’s. How many more years will it be until all of that generation has passed? It could be quite a few, many of those with the aid of modern medicine could live past 100. How many will be left from that generation? Most of them are possibly only one? So long as there is even one person left that generation has not completely passed. It is possible, He could come tomorrow or there may be many years. Time will tell.
It's not really about counting down the years of a generation, and then pop, the prophetic events happen. It's about what era to be watching for the signs Jesus gave. When to be watching is the main Message He was giving, not trying to set a date.
If 1948 was the start (which I believe), and the average age today is 75, then based on that, from 1948 to 2023. But like you pointed to, there's also a 120 year generation in God's Word, so that would extend out to 2068. So which is it? Neither, because we are to be watching the SIGNS He gave, not playing around with dates.
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