Virgin Mary Had Other Children After Jesus

[Paul Christensen]

@Paul Christensen
Looking through your posts I see a lot of (false) accusations against Catholics.
What I don't see is any evidence, particularly biblical evidence, supporting those accusations.
Not do I see any attempt to engage in discussion on any point.

The false doctrines that I have identified are not in the Bible at all. Therefore if it ain't in the Bible then it is false and a lying fraud.

 

[Grailhunter]

I don't think that disagreeing over doctrine is making enemies of each other. We can still be diametrically opposed doctrinally, but still have our unity based on our faith in Christ.

I don't think that disagreeing over doctrine is making enemies of each other.
Look at the words you are using towards the Catholics.

We can still be diametrically opposed doctrinally, but still have our unity based on our faith in Christ.
I am not going to go along with diametrically, but brotherly love and unity is important.

 

[Paul Christensen]

I don't think that disagreeing over doctrine is making enemies of each other.
Look at the words you are using towards the Catholics.

We can still be diametrically opposed doctrinally, but still have our unity based on our faith in Christ.
I am not going to go along with diametrically, but brotherly love and unity is important.

According to the Bible, idolatry is one of the works of the flesh that will keep a person out of the kingdom of God. That means that every single person who kneels and prays to statues of Mary and Christ is an unrepentant idolater and will be condemned at the judgment. This is because it is a violation of the 2nd Commandment that says not to make any graven or false image and bow down and worship it, and statues of Mary and Christ are false images and many bow down and worship them.

Therefore if I lift up my voice in obedience to what Ezekiel said, as a watchman when the enemy threatens, I am doing the right thing by warning people of the danger they are in. If I saw a person having breakfast on the upstairs balcony of his house and saw that there was a raging fire downstairs, I would be amiss if I didn't shout a warning to him. But if he didn't believe that there was any danger, he would abuse me and order me off his property.

People who are deceived by false doctrine don't know they are deceived. The people who bow down and worship statues of Mary, of Christ, and the ceremonial container of the host, are not aware that they are committing idolatry, and of the danger they are in, and that is why I am getting abused for giving the warning.

But I can't make a person become undeceived, and if they don't listen to my warning, then their blood is on their own heads.

You will also see in Jeremiah 4 that worshiping the Queen of Heaven, a pagan goddess, is a total abomination to God and He promises severe judgment on those who do that; yet there are people who are worshiping the Queen of Heaven regularly and yet I am abused for warning people that the practice is totally pagan.

Oh well, I'm fortunate. The idolatrous Israelites killed the prophets who tried to warn them of the wrath to come. But the Scripture says that anyone who lives godly in Christ will suffer persecution, and being abused for warning people against idolatry and paganism is part of the territory.

 

[Pearl]

There is nothing that supports any fact that Mary had any other children other than Jesus. She was rendered a perpetual virgin somewhere around the 3rd century and was received into Heaven by means of assumption. The other siblings of Jesus was from Joseph's earlier wife who died after giving birth to James, Joses, Simon, Jude...there are some documentation that states there were also two girls Salome and Anna. Mary had one Child...Jesus.

If Joseph already had a big family I wonder why they weren't required to go to Bethlehem with him to be registered in the census along with Joseph and Mary.

 

[Grailhunter]

According to the Bible, idolatry is one of the works of the flesh that will keep a person out of the kingdom of God. That means that every single person who kneels and prays to statues of Mary and Christ is an unrepentant idolater and will be condemned at the judgment. This is because it is a violation of the 2nd Commandment that says not to make any graven or false image and bow down and worship it, and statues of Mary and Christ are false images and many bow down and worship them.

Therefore if I lift up my voice in obedience to what Ezekiel said, as a watchman when the enemy threatens, I am doing the right thing by warning people of the danger they are in. If I saw a person having breakfast on the upstairs balcony of his house and saw that there was a raging fire downstairs, I would be amiss if I didn't shout a warning to him. But if he didn't believe that there was any danger, he would abuse me and order me off his property.

People who are deceived by false doctrine don't know they are deceived. The people who bow down and worship statues of Mary, of Christ, and the ceremonial container of the host, are not aware that they are committing idolatry, and of the danger they are in, and that is why I am getting abused for giving the warning.

But I can't make a person become undeceived, and if they don't listen to my warning, then their blood is on their own heads.

You will also see in Jeremiah 4 that worshiping the Queen of Heaven, a pagan goddess, is a total abomination to God and He promises severe judgment on those who do that; yet there are people who are worshiping the Queen of Heaven regularly and yet I am abused for warning people that the practice is totally pagan.

Oh well, I'm fortunate. The idolatrous Israelites killed the prophets who tried to warn them of the wrath to come. But the Scripture says that anyone who lives godly in Christ will suffer persecution, and being abused for warning people against idolatry and paganism is part of the territory.

Again I am not a Jew.
Idols, idolatrous are about worshiping things that do not exist.
If Christ told them to revere His mother that is neither a sin or idolatrous. Pictures or statues of Christ or His mother are a matter of reverence, even if you kneel before them you still thinking of them. Not fake gods.

 

[Taken]

Again I am not a Jew.
Idols, idolatrous are about worshiping things that do not exist.
If Christ told them to revere His mother that is neither a sin or idolatrous. Pictures or statues of Christ or His mother are a matter of reverence, even if you kneel before them you still thinking of them. Not fake gods.

The whole thing is Fake.
BY what knowledge of appearance does an artist or sculpture make Images of the Lord or Mary?

 

[Paul Christensen]

Again I am not a Jew.
Idols, idolatrous are about worshiping things that do not exist.
If Christ told them to revere His mother that is neither a sin or idolatrous. Pictures or statues of Christ or His mother are a matter of reverence, even if you kneel before them you still thinking of them. Not fake gods.

I guess it's a matter how one interprets the Second Commandment.

 

[Grailhunter]

I guess it's a matter how one interprets the Second Commandment.

Now you are messing with me....no law in the OT has anything to do with a Christian.
So, I get to mess with you. Of the 10 laws that God listed as Ten Commandments...what is the 7th commandment.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Now you are messing with me....no law in the OT has anything to do with a Christian.
So, I get to mess with you. Of the 10 laws that God listed as Ten Commandments...what is the 7th commandment.

Yes, like every red blooded male I have committed adultery in my heart when I have looked at a woman with lust. I have lied, that's the 9th, and I have stolen and taken the Lord's name in vain, but I have forsaken them and no longer wilfully do them, because I have a moral responsibility before God. These are God's eternal moral laws which He expects all to obey whether Jew or Gentile, and I will be judged on them on judgment day - and so will you whether you believe it or not.

 

[Mungo]

That is a false accusation that makes what you are saying is a lie, because you deliberately have misrepresented what I actually posted. I never said that Catholic teaching is entirely rat poison, but that a small proportion that is extra-Biblical is, like idolatrous kneeling and worshiping statues of Mary, praying to the Eucharist host, making prayers to the Queen of Heaven which is paganism, teaching that all Protestants are to be excommunicated from the body of Christ. These are poisonous doctrines which will corrupt a person's faith and are the equivalent of the 1% rat poison in what is otherwise good food for rats. If you believe these doctrines then I wouldn't like to be you when judgment day comes.

A false accusation.
I didn't say that you claimed ALL Catholic teaching was entirely rat poison.

As to the rest of your claims above - you didn't just claim they were extra biblical but that they were demonic and like rat poison, neither of which is true and for which you provide no evidence, nor any intent to discuss them.
You seem to think your saying so is enough.

You falsely assign to the Catholic Church doctrines that are not doctrines of the Catholic Church.

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes, like every red blooded male I have committed adultery in my heart when I have looked at a woman with lust. I have lied, that's the 9th, and I have stolen and taken the Lord's name in vain, but I have forsaken them and no longer wilfully do them, because I have a moral responsibility before God. These are God's eternal moral laws which He expects all to obey whether Jew or Gentile, and I will be judged on them on judgment day - and so will you whether you believe it or not.

Again I explained in detail why it is a sin for us to use these laws as a moral guide.

Now, as far as the 7th commandment...I appreciate your honesty, but you did not commit adultery unless she was married and you thought about doing something about it. But as far as it being what God called the 7th commandment, you are incorrect.

Very few Christians know the Mosaic Law. The 7th commandment according to God is "You shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks that is, the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year."

It is one of the biggest misconceptions in the Bible. Chapter 20 in Exodus. Those Laws spoken to the people by God from Mt. Sinai are never referred to by God as commandments...there were 14 of them, not 10....and they did not make it on to the tablets as written. The 14 laws in Chapter 20 are summaries of the Laws that are listed in full detail in the body of the Law. These are the Laws that most Christians impale themselves on so they can be severed from Christ and fall from Grace.

The set of ten commandments that God calls the ten commandments are in Exodus 34:10-28. In these scriptures God defines the Covenant and there is where God calls them the ten commandments and we see that Moses wrote them on the tablets of the testimony. Again the 14 spoken Laws at Mt. Sinai never make it to the tablets. And all these laws are sacrilegious to Christians.

 

[Paul Christensen]

A false accusation.
I didn't say that you claimed ALL Catholic teaching was entirely rat poison.

As to the rest of your claims above - you didn't just claim they were extra biblical but that they were demonic and like rat poison, neither of which is true and for which you provide no evidence, nor any intent to discuss them.
You seem to think your saying so is enough.

You falsely assign to the Catholic Church doctrines that are not doctrines of the Catholic Church.

Ok. If you say so. I'm done here.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Again I explained in detail why it is a sin for us to use these laws as a moral guide.

Now, as far as the 7th commandment...I appreciate your honesty, but you did not commit adultery unless she was married and you thought about doing something about it. But as far as it being what God called the 7th commandment, you are incorrect.

Very few Christians know the Mosaic Law. The 7th commandment according to God is "You shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks that is, the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year."

It is one of the biggest misconceptions in the Bible. Chapter 20 in Exodus. Those Laws spoken to the people by God from Mt. Sinai are never referred to by God as commandments...there were 14 of them, not 10....and they did not make it on to the tablets as written. The 14 laws in Chapter 20 are summaries of the Laws that are listed in full detail in the body of the Law. These are the Laws that most Christians impale themselves on so they can be severed from Christ and fall from Grace.

The set of ten commandments that God calls the ten commandments are in Exodus 34:10-28. In these scriptures God defines the Covenant and there is where God calls them the ten commandments and we see that Moses wrote them on the tablets of the testimony. Again the 14 spoken Laws at Mt. Sinai never make it to the tablets. And all these laws are sacrilegious to Christians.

So, you are lawless then. Anything goes?

 

[Paul Christensen]

If Joseph already had a big family I wonder why they weren't required to go to Bethlehem with him to be registered in the census along with Joseph and Mary.

Funny that......

 

[Pearl]

Funny that......

A Catholic will never agree because they have their own agenda fed to them since the Catholic church took over simple Christianity and added a mix of all sorts of pagan influences. And I don't say that to deliberately offend Catholic brothers and sisters but because it is true and hopefully they will see it one day.

 

[Grailhunter]

So, you are lawless then. Anything goes?

I am assuming you are joking because there is no way you can read the OT and think you should follow the Mosaic Law.
Lawless? Yep! Ask Paul. Christ's laws...Christ's teaching are the laws of Christians. And again I explained that in detail.

 

[Paul Christensen]

I am assuming you are joking because there is no way you can read the OT and think you should follow the Mosaic Law.
Lawless? Yep! Ask Paul. Christ's laws...Christ's teaching are the laws of Christians. And again I explained that in detail.

So what's the difference in practice between Jesus law of love and the Ten Commandments? Seeing that the pre incarnate Son of God wrote them in His own handwriting on the stone tablets?

 

[Taken]

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Mungo
Pearl
Paul Christensen


Virgin Mary had [NOT...edit] other Children After Jesus.
Virgin Mary remained a Virgin.
Mary was naturally born without sin.
Mary committed no sin.
Mary was Bodily taken to Heaven.

A Catholic believes these things, and takes offense toward others who do not agree with these things.

Point is:
A Catholic can not show a Scripture, that says these things.
A non-Catholic can not "show" these things are "not written."

It is historically known that TRADITIONS of men play a great part in what people Believe from generation to generation.

Believing TRADITIONS of men...are NOT a Basis for receiving the Gift of Faith from God, or a Saved soul, or Quickened spirit.

Believing DOCTRINES of men...are NOT a basic for receiving the Gift of Faith from God, or a Saved soul or Quickened spirit.

There are TRADITIONS of men.
There are DOCTRINES of men.

Mark 7
[13] Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Col 2
[8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

2John 1:[9] Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in thedoctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in thedoctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Just saying...defending a Tradition or Doctrine that IS "NOT of The Lord God"...is Fruitless.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Grailhunter]

So what's the difference in practice between Jesus law of love and the Ten Commandments? Seeing that the pre incarnate Son of God wrote them in His own handwriting on the stone tablets?

So you are calling Moses pre-incarnate Son of God?
Oh my---It is a sin...sin....sin to observe some of the 613 Mosaic Laws. Either observe them all and be Jew or leave them alone. You cannot change them, you cannot dissect them, this is according to the OT and Christ, and Paul. Besides the major things....We worship on Sunday not Saturday, we have engrave images everywhere...The Jews could not make an image of anything for any reason and they could not worship them. And we do not list our wives that is wives, in the list of our property.

 

[Taken]

If Joseph already had a big family I wonder why they weren't required to go to Bethlehem with him to be registered in the census along with Joseph and Mary.

Good question.

And why would the wife of Joseph not have a sexual relation with him after Jesus' birth?
When were they told...Do not multiply?

Glory to God,
Taken