justbyfaith
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Even what is written in Matthew 23 can apply to you or me if either one of us has a Pharisaical attitude.Brother... this is the original bone of contention, right here. We are not Pharisees
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Even what is written in Matthew 23 can apply to you or me if either one of us has a Pharisaical attitude.Brother... this is the original bone of contention, right here. We are not Pharisees
I beg to differ. It is the primary focus.Salvation? Salvation is the wrong focus.
Hebrews 1:8-9
"But to the Son He says:
'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness
more than Your companions.'”
Perhaps with my human mind alone could accept this with the human definitions and interpretations of words and scriptures, but I cannot, because there is more to me, thank God, than my human mind. Where you is where I guess many men seem to be, but really is it not so that many or most men simply do not know and like their already encountered or established comfort zones? What I would like to do is be where God wants me to be even if the price is the one Jesus paid. Can I do it? Alone, in my flesh, certainly not!Of course this pertains to His humanity.
For in the doctrine of the hypostatic union, the Lord Jesus is 100% Man and 100% God.
In His humanity Jesus is even less than the Father.
For in Philippians 2, He emptied Himself of many of the attributes of Deity in what is called kenosis.
In this, He did not cease to be God.
But He took on an added human nature which by definition does not have such infinite abilities as Omniscience and Omnipresence. Because a human body is finite.
[copied in part from one of my own posts written here a few months ago]I beg to differ. It is the primary focus.
Hi APAK,Hebrews 1:8-9, the quote from Psalms 45:6-7, says nothing about Jesus being divine. As in Psalms, the context is about a human ruler (most probably King David) anointed by God. As with David as his son, so with Jesus, his true begotten Son. As David is not divine, the same as Christ. Both David and Jesus are subordinate to their maker and their Father, the LORD God Almighty.
This scripture as in many others, never intends to elevate Christ as divine, the same as his Father, as many desperately wishes it did to fit into their self-contrived false truth about Christ, being equal to his Father, and God himself. This scripture is meant to show that Jesus Christ is now above all men and even angels, who rules them from a special place or throne given to him by his, and our Father. Verses 8 and 9 explicitly states the roles and basic differences: that simply God is the Father of Christ, his true Son. This is a very simple thought process to understand and internalize and trust as the truth.
Reading the entire Chapter One of Hebrews clearly makes my points much more clearer, as its context. God the LORD is always spoken of as the creator of all things, the only one in charge, the only one that makes all the decisions and thus by implication, is the only deity, and never his Son, or anyone else.
Blessings,
APAK
That's my question also.Why would Pharisees die in their sins for not believing that Jesus is the great I AM, while Gentiles are exempt from His statement? Is Jesus being discriminatory?
I say to you verily that He was making a blanket statement of doctrine and that it does not only apply to a specific group of people.
While you say a few good things here, I am at odds with your basic premise. Again as I have said many times already, only God gives increases!Hi @amadeus.
First, post # 148.
We cannot do anything worthy unless we are saved; and therefore the first priority is salvation. If I think that I am doing things for God but am not saved, I may think that I am being unselfish but in all reality I can only do things out of selfishness since I would in that case not have the Holy Ghost to motivate me to unselfishness.
Therefore, for the one who is not saved, priority #1 is to get saved. If I think that I am being somehow noble for being obedient to the Lord when I do not have His salvation, I am self-deceived.
As for post #146,
I encourage you to look up Ephesians 3:19, 1 Corinthians 6:17, and Ephesians 5:30-32. And that this is what is spoken of in Romans 5:11.
If you really want to understand as to what I believe in and why, then ask me directly without making a confusing and devious response, as you did.Hi APAK,
I didn't realize that you see Jesus as a created one. So then God changes?
Much love!
Excellent typology!Indeed and see Moses and his brother, Aaron:
"And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet." Ex 7:1
Or see Pharaoh words to Joseph, which could also be like unto the Father's words to Jesus:
"Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou." Gen 41:40
Sorry! You're quite right! Shame on me! I call others on it, and I do it! So I am the hypocrit! So it goes. I'm sorry!If you really want to understand as to what I believe in and why, then ask me directly without making a confusing and devious response, as you did.
Yes, I am.
If Jesus' words do not apply to Gentiles, then they are not profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, or for instruction in righteousness; unless you are specifically talking to a Pharisaical Jew.
I don't believe that (see 2 Timothy 3:16).
You can reject the truth if you want; you have every right to do so in this country.
I'm not certain that it will bode well with you on your day of judgment.
In saying that the Deity of Christ is not an essential doctrine, you are giving leeway to people who do not want to believe in that doctrine. Whereas if they understand that it is an essential, they may be motivated to seek out an understanding of it in the word; and not to reject it. But if they do not see it as an essential, they may consider that it's not important; and will die in their sins because they did not believe in it nor seek to be able to do so.
Thus you will be responsible for their damnation.
What will you say to the Lord on your day of judgment when this is brought to bear on your life?
Where in the passage that includes John 8:24 does the scripture exclude Gentiles concerning the application of what the Lord said?
Yes, I am.
If Jesus' words do not apply to Gentiles, then they are not profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, or for instruction in righteousness; unless you are specifically talking to a Pharisaical Jew.
I don't believe that (see 2 Timothy 3:16).
You can reject the truth if you want; you have every right to do so in this country.
I'm not certain that it will bode well with you on your day of judgment.
In saying that the Deity of Christ is not an essential doctrine, you are giving leeway to people who do not want to believe in that doctrine. Whereas if they understand that it is an essential, they may be motivated to seek out an understanding of it in the word; and not to reject it. But if they do not see it as an essential, they may consider that it's not important; and will die in their sins because they did not believe in it nor seek to be able to do so.
Thus you will be responsible for their damnation.
What will you say to the Lord on your day of judgment when this is brought to bear on your life?
Where in the passage that includes John 8:24 does the scripture exclude Gentiles concerning the application of what the Lord said?
Do you believe Jesus died for all people; or that He died only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel?
That is some slippery slope you have there. If I can believe Jesus is anything I want to believe, he can be Mohammed or the buddha or Micky mouse, but as long as I call him "Jesus" I'm good to go staight to heaven, no passing go or collecting $200?If we believe in Jesus, we shall never die, but who is Jesus? Because another person's understanding of who Jesus is, is not yours, is that person condemned, according you? Is this not the kind of declaration we should avoid regarding the beliefs of another? What does God think about it? We are surely not saved or lost according to our own determined theology, are we?
I'm curious about something.Again, you are referring to John 8 but your point is not consistent with this verse. Jesus, who came to the lost sheep of Israel, had a crowd of gatherers with him who were Jewish. Some of them were believing Jews, others not. Amongst them were the Scribes and the Pharisees. From verse 13-30 Jesus is specifically speaking to the Pharisees and the Jews. Verse 23 you are quoting, is spoken to the non-believing Jews and Pharisees.
They were given this warning from Jesus but it has absolutely nothing to do with the point you are making which is without accepting Christ's deity, you will not be saved. The Gentiles were not there in this verse. The Jews did not even talk the the gentiles until Jesus actually spoke to the woman at the well. That is something you have added to the salvation message that is not there. It also shows your knowledge of our Lord and Savior or lack thereof.
Please....don't think that God does not know your heart toward those who do not agree with you due to your lack of biblical exposition . He does know you very well.