Serpents Seed True Or False?

[savedbygrace57]

always looking to prove someone wrong. He obeyed Satan and Satan became his master

But not his Father..Gods elect are never the devils children or seed..

 

[242006]

Look it up -- there is a medical term for twins born that are sired by two different fathers. It is called 'heteropaternal superfecundation'.

Cain was sired by Satan and Abel was sired by Adam.

 

[whirlwind]

Look it up -- there is a medical term for twins born that are sired by two different fathers. It is called 'heteropaternal superfecundation'.

Cain was sired by Satan and Abel was sired by Adam.

I quite agree. So, was Cain a giant?

 

[242006]

I quite agree. So, was Cain a giant?

The Bible is silent as to whether Cain was a giant [like the offspring of the fallen angels (Gen. 6)].

You probably are aware of a person, documented in history to be very large, named 'Sargon'. Based upon my studies, Sargon's linkage to Cain is somewhat dubious.

My personal opinion is that Cain, and his offspring, were not giants. After Cain's conception [Gen. 3:6], God issued the [second] prophecy of the Bible. It was regarding Cain's offspring [Gen. 3:15]. The Bible further identifies this offspring [Kenites] to have infiltrated [and corrupted] the ancient Israelites. Logic dictates to me, that, in order to perpetuate such infiltration/corruption and fulfill the prophecy of Gen. 3:15, the Kenites would have to be the same size as the Israelites. If the Kenites were giants, it would be highly unlikely that they would have successfully infiltrated/corrupted the Israelites.

Whether God knew beforehand that Satan would attempt to mess up His plan for this second age through an effort to corrupt the bloodline to Christ is unknown. I suspect that God probably anticipated Satan's strategy. After all, Acts 3:20-21 indicates that the announcement that the Son of God would be sent in this second age was made in the first age. We see in Rev. 12:4 that Satan was scheming from the first age to 'devour' as soon as God's plan for Christ actually commenced. Accordingly, once God discovered Satan's actual plan [Gen. 3:6], God had the contingency plan all worked out [Gen. 3:15].

Naturally, my stated opinion leads to the question, 'Why then were giants the result of the mating of the fallen angels with flesh woman?'

Again, this is my opinion only -- as I cannot document all of it. I believe the distinction between Satan's offspring and the fallen angel's offspring, though both Satan and the fallen angels are in non-flesh bodies, lies in first age judgment and purpose for this second age. As you probably know, Satan was sentenced to perish in the first age [Eze. 28]. Instead of terminating Satan then, God is using Satan in this second age as part of God's plan to test all of us. Satan is not terminated until the white throne judgment of God. Satan's effort to corrupt God's second age plan is expected -- is part of God's plan.

Whereas, the fallen angels were not part of God's plan for this second age. The purpose of this second age is to give all those that followed Satan in the first age to get a single opportunity, born innocent into the flesh, to be saved. Those angels that refused to be born into the flesh most likely were among Satan's first age followers. Instead of being born innocent thru woman, they mated with flesh woman -- such acts were outside of God's plan. Hence, it is my opinion that God decided then [upon their mating] to have this hybrid offspring to stick out from the others. One way to do that would to allow all or some of this hybrid offspring to be giants.

 

[Radrook]

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. John *:44

They had become the Devil's seed by reflecting the Devil's personality or image. In the same way Christian become God's children by reflecting God;s image or personality. It's simply a figure of speech.

 

[veteran]

Again, this is my opinion only -- as I cannot document all of it. I believe the distinction between Satan's offspring and the fallen angel's offspring, though both Satan and the fallen angels are in non-flesh bodies, lies in first age judgment and purpose for this second age. As you probably know, Satan was sentenced to perish in the first age [Eze. 28]. Instead of terminating Satan then, God is using Satan in this second age as part of God's plan to test all of us. Satan is not terminated until the white throne judgment of God. Satan's effort to corrupt God's second age plan is expected -- is part of God's plan.

Whereas, the fallen angels were not part of God's plan for this second age....

Important points I think have much weight in God's Word...

Jude 1:3-4
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
(KJV)

Note the phrase "...who were before of old ordained to this condemnation". Jude obviously knew there is a group of "crept in unawares" that God ordained for this world to be against Him and our Lord Jesus Christ. Cain is later mentioned in that matter later by Jude, along with what the fallen angels did.

The Book of Enoch (Ethiopic version) was not included in the Biblical Canon, and I think it was because of its great detail on the subject of the fallen angels mating with the flesh daughters of men. It was just too controversial of a subject for the majority of the early Church. A mystery that would not easily be understood.

And the Book of Jude is talking literally about angels rebelling in going after strange flesh by leaving their first estate and own habitation (Jude 6-7). That's pointing to their coming to earth to do that, leaving their original habitation.

When Gen.6 speaks of the giants as "men of renown" (men of the name, i.e., men of the legend), it's pointing to the ancient mythologies of gods cohabitating with flesh on this earth. Myths often come from some event that happenned that is masked over time by folklore, any truth behind it being corrupted over time.

Just because modern man thinks he's so progressive with modern technology and science, events as described in Gen.6 gets swept under the rug, and he must try to change its meaning to make it fit his modern world and experience. Yet modern man still cannot even answer all the mysteries involved with the Great Pyramid of Giza. In reality, compared to what God has shown us in His Word, modern man knows and understands little.

 

[242006]

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. John *:44

They had become the Devil's seed by reflecting the Devil's personality or image. In the same way Christian become God's children by reflecting God;s image or personality. It's simply a figure of speech.

You have an impossible task in supporting your position. Gen. 3:15, indisputably, declares that Satan has offspring.

In addition to denying Gen. 3:15, you would need to show how the term 'father', in Greek [Joh. 8:44], is used figuratively to mean a 'spiritual' father, instead of a literal forefather. Here is a listing of all occurences in the NT -

G3962

πατήρ

patēr

Total KJV Occurrences: 418

father, 347

Mat_2:22, Mat_3:9, Mat_4:21-22 (2), Mat_5:16, Mat_5:45, Mat_5:48, Mat_6:1, Mat_6:4, Mat_6:6 (2), Mat_6:8-9 (2), Mat_6:14-15 (2), Mat_6:18 (2), Mat_6:26, Mat_6:32, Mat_7:11, Mat_8:21 (2), Mat_10:20-21 (2), Mat_10:29, Mat_10:32-33 (2), Mat_10:35, Mat_10:37, Mat_11:25-27 (5), Mat_12:50, Mat_13:43, Mat_15:4-6 (4), Mat_15:13, Mat_16:17, Mat_16:27, Mat_18:10, Mat_18:14, Mat_18:19, Mat_18:35, Mat_19:5, Mat_19:19, Mat_19:29, Mat_20:23, Mat_21:31, Mat_23:9 (2), Mat_24:36, Mat_25:34, Mat_26:39, Mat_26:42, Mat_26:53, Mar_1:19-20 (2), Mar_5:40, Mar_7:10-12 (4), Mar_8:38, Mar_9:21, Mar_9:24, Mar_10:7, Mar_10:19, Mar_10:29, Mar_11:10, Mar_11:25-26 (2), Mar_13:12, Mar_13:32, Mar_14:36, Mar_15:21, Luk_1:32, Luk_1:59, Luk_1:62, Luk_1:67, Luk_1:73, Luk_2:48, Luk_3:8, Luk_6:36, Luk_8:51, Luk_9:42, Luk_9:59, Luk_10:21-22 (5), Luk_11:2, Luk_11:11, Luk_11:13, Luk_12:30, Luk_12:53 (2), Luk_14:26, Luk_15:12 (2), Luk_15:18 (2), Luk_15:20-22 (4), Luk_15:27-29 (3), Luk_16:24, Luk_16:27, Luk_16:30, Luk_18:20, Luk_22:29, Luk_22:42, Luk_23:34, Luk_23:46, Luk_24:49, Joh_1:14, Joh_1:18, Joh_3:35, Joh_4:12, Joh_4:21, Joh_4:23 (2), Joh_4:53, John 5 (14), Joh_6:27, Joh_6:32, Joh_6:37, Joh_6:42, Joh_6:44-46 (4), Joh_6:57 (2), Joh_6:65, John 8 (21), Joh_10:15 (2), Joh_10:17-18 (2), Joh_10:29-30 (2), Joh_10:32, Joh_10:36-38 (3), Joh_11:41, Joh_12:26-28 (3), Joh_12:49-50 (2), Joh_13:1, Joh_13:3, John 14 (21), Joh_15:1, Joh_15:8-9 (2), Joh_15:15-16 (2), Joh_15:23-24 (2), Joh_15:26 (2), Joh_16:3, Joh_16:10, Joh_16:15-17 (3), Joh_16:23, Joh_16:25-28 (5), Joh_16:32, Joh_17:1, Joh_17:5, Joh_17:11, Joh_17:21, Joh_17:24-25 (2), Joh_18:11, Joh_20:17 (3), Joh_20:21, Act_1:4, Act_1:7, Act_2:33, Act_7:2, Act_7:4, Act_7:14, Act_16:1, Act_16:3, Act_28:8, Rom_1:7, Rom_4:1, Rom_4:11-12 (3), Rom_4:16-18 (3), Rom_6:4, Rom_8:15, Rom_9:10, Rom_15:6, 1Co_1:3, 1Co_8:6, 1Co_15:24, 2Co_1:2-3 (3), 2Co_6:18, 2Co_11:31, Gal_1:1, Gal_1:3-4 (2), Gal_4:2, Gal_4:6, Eph_1:2-3 (2), Eph_2:17-18 (2), Eph_3:14, Eph_4:6, Eph_5:20, Eph_5:31, Eph_6:2, Eph_6:23, Phi_1:2, Phi_2:11, Phi_2:22, Phi_4:20, Col_1:2-3 (2), Col_1:12, Col_2:2, Col_3:17, 1Th_1:1 (2), 1Th_1:3, 1Th_3:11 (2), 1Th_3:13, 2Th_1:1-2 (2), 2Th_2:16, 1Ti_1:2, 1Ti_5:1, 2Ti_1:2, Tit_1:4, Phm_1:3, Heb_1:5, Heb_7:10, Heb_12:7, Heb_12:9, Jam_1:17, Jam_1:27, Jam_2:21, Jam_3:9, 1Pe_1:2-3 (2), 1Pe_1:17, 2Pe_1:17, 1Jo_1:2-3 (2), 1Jo_2:1, 1Jo_2:13, 1Jo_2:15-16 (2), 1Jo_2:22-24 (3), 1Jo_3:1, 1Jo_4:14, 1Jo_5:7, 2Jo_1:3-4 (3), 2Jo_1:9, Jud_1:1, Rev_1:6, Rev_2:27, Rev_3:21

fathers, 52

Mat_23:30, Mat_23:32, Luk_1:17, Luk_1:55, Luk_1:72, Luk_6:23, Luk_6:26, Luk_11:47-48 (2), Joh_4:20, Joh_6:31, Joh_6:49, Joh_6:58, Joh_7:22, Act_3:13, Act_3:22, Act_3:25, Act_5:30, Act_7:2, Act_7:11-12 (2), Act_7:15, Act_7:19, Act_7:32, Act_7:38-39 (2), Act_7:44-45 (3), Act_7:51-52 (2), Act_13:17, Act_13:32, Act_13:36, Act_15:10, Act_22:1, Act_22:14, Act_26:6, Act_28:25, Rom_9:5, Rom_15:8, 1Co_4:15, 1Co_10:1, Eph_6:4, Col_3:21, Heb_1:1, Heb_12:9 (3), 2Pe_3:4, 1Jo_2:13-14 (2)

father’s, 17

Mat_26:29, Luk_2:49, Luk_9:26, Luk_12:32, Luk_15:17, Luk_16:27, Joh_2:16, Joh_5:43, Joh_6:39, Joh_10:25, Joh_10:29, Joh_14:2, Joh_14:24, Joh_15:10, Act_7:20, 1Co_5:1, Rev_14:1

fathers’, 1

Rom_11:28

parents, 1

Heb_11:23



Once you have completed your study, you will find that every usage refers to a person's literal heritage -- not a spiritual leader.