You can't stop yourself, can you?
That opening post would have been vastly different if the intention was to change the minds of Catholics.
The Jesuits ... What is their role? Part 1 and 2
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Brakelite
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It's quite ironic that there should be such a vociferous objection to what they claim is a forgery, when there own church and some of her fundamental principles were founded on a forgery, a forgery used for centuries to substantiate and validate the grossest of thefts and tyrannies.
And whether the actual oath as written is true or not, I'm not the one to say. However, historical records through the last 400 years presents a graphic evidence that if the oath were not true, didn't seem to deter Jesuits from exemplifying the suggestions as expressed in it. There's barely a country on the planet that hasn't at one time or another suffered as a result of Jesuit intrigue and interference, and banned then from their shores as a result.
And whether the actual oath as written is true or not, I'm not the one to say. However, historical records through the last 400 years presents a graphic evidence that if the oath were not true, didn't seem to deter Jesuits from exemplifying the suggestions as expressed in it. There's barely a country on the planet that hasn't at one time or another suffered as a result of Jesuit intrigue and interference, and banned then from their shores as a result.
You don't even attempt to justify your lies by any evidence.
This thread is just an anti-Catholic, hate-fest.
Malihah
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How many countries have suffered from the likes of Jehovah's witness, Mormons and SDA. These groups are militant in spreading their falsehoods to every corner of the earth. Most Christians are familiar with Jehovah's witness and Mormons but don't know as much about SDA. SDA literally worship the Sabbath day and have made an entire religion devoted to it. They are the modern-day Galatians who have gone so deep into the law that the Sabbath has become a god to them. They talk endlessly about their god and are devoted to their god and will defend their god to the ends of the earth. At least the Jesuits have figured out that we are under the new covenant of grace and not the old covenant of law.
Piece of advice: before you go and blanket declare millions of people condemn, go and listen to what people actually believe. From the person themselves, not from somebody whispering "I'll tell you what Bob really believes."
Malihah
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Feel free to point out any errors in my post. Christianity is not some hippie kum ba yah culture where we pretend there are no differences in belief. There are differences in belief and real love will speak up when brothers and sisters are making shipwreck of faith every day of the week especially on Saturday.
Do you actually want to listen & learn -- even if it doesn't match what you've been told?
Or do you just want to inform people how you think their faith is a "shipwreck"?
Grailhunter
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Hello there historyb
You call yourself historyb....do you look at history? Would you believe that history bores most people? For Protestants.... particularly Fundamentalists they have a religion that dictates that the only information that is valid is in the Holy Bible. Well you and I know that the Holy Bible only documents the first 65 years of Christian history when there is 2000 years of valid Christian history. No one gagged the Trinity. No one tied them up and sat them in a corner. For them, to some degree the Holy Bible is not only the word of God but also a God, because that is all they got.
They are not idiots or stupid, they have limited their on understanding and knowledge by religious choice and that is their right. Little bubbles.....and little bubbles can be very knowledgeable of those bubbles because there is less to know. The important thing is that Fundamentalism has enough information to save souls and there will be no history test in heaven.
On the other hand their confidence in what they do know becomes a static reality and they can become very judgmental of those that know the reality of 2000 years. Their in lies the problem for them, how many hot coals are they going to pile on top of their heads judging what they do not know. No history test but if you condemn and judge others than by that measure you will be judged.
I am multi-denominational because I do not see any as perfect but see many as fantastic! My loyalty as far as people are concerned are about the believers in pews. For example I have no use for the Vatican, but the Catholics in the pews I love. There are Protestants that think that the most significant thing about Baptism is that you get wet and the bread and wine ritual means little to nothing except we are remembering Christ....I smile and stand and sing hymns of worship with them. Holy Ghost churches...there are Protestants that do not believe in them, I feel the movements of the Holy Spirit and dance in aisles with them. Some of my best friends have been Mormon and my house is always a safe haven for them. Their missionaries have spent many a holiday and summer barbecues with me.
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Malihah
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Are you here to tell me the virtues of Sabbath keeping? That's probably not going to work and it won't work on 99% of other Christians as well. The 'shipwrecks' always get stranded on Jehovah's oneness, Mormon temple and Sabbath idol.
I'll be blunt: "The purpose of an "anti-cult" platform is to enforce boundary maintenance via making the "other" faith look like a horrible boogie man. There's usually little interest in one's own faith development, being accurate as to another's faith, and zero interest in seeing individuals as intelligent humans who deserve basic respect (even when there's disagreement on beliefs).
My question to you was: where you interests are.
As for my interests in actually developing my own faith, and accurately understanding and loving others. That's one reason I have deligantly studied dozens faiths -- meaning at minimum several weeks spent attending in person services with them, study groups, and asking questions understand. This includes including all 3 faith mentioned. I strive for love of God, and love of others (which includes treating each person with respect and taking the time to understand them).
Malihah
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So what are the virtues of belonging to Jehovah's witness, Mormonism or SDA? Please elaborate and do tell why you are so eager to defend them and their beliefs.
It's a matter of decency and respect to both:
- The other person (pretty obvious).
- And also yourself. My salvation is not dependent on another person worshiping a crazy flying spaghetti monster. I can (and should!) deepen my faith so that I know why and what I believe, and able to answer questions without any fear, living the Great Commandment. I can love & visit with my neighbors (even metaphorical Samertains and tax collectors) to better live the second Great Commandment.
What are you saying here? "Catholics have forged things, so we shouldn't be criticized if we do too." I say let him without sin cast the first stone.
I also ask if we think Jesuits have done bad things, can we forgive them? If not, then I guess we cannot expect forgiveness for the bad things we have done ourselves.
Malihah
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In my 40 years of being a Christian and meeting Christians from all walks of life I have discovered two rock-bottom sins which are homosexuality in the world and legalism in the Church. People who can avoid these two ditches have a chance of living a faith-based life in Christ whether they be Catholic or JW or Mormon or SDA. And please understand I am not Catholic or here to defend the mostly homosexual Jesuits, by no means am I here to do that. God has his children in all faiths and all walks of life but that doesn't mean I agree with grossly erroneous and old covenant based cults.
That is good to realize.
That's another very important thing to realize.
No one's saying anyone has to agree with anything -- I certainty have disagreements with other faith groups!
But we can still have the courage to develop our own faith to know what & why we each believe what we do. And to also follow the second Great Commandment, taking the time to understand and love each person -- even when we disagree.
I find that vast vast majority of "anti-cult" stuff neither encourages a person's own faith development or love/understanding/respect of others.
If you Malihah, are interested in your own faith development and understanding/loving/respecting others, then that is fantastic.
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Grailhunter
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And please understand I am not Catholic or here to defend the mostly homosexual Jesuits,
<<<Oh my belly roll laugh>>> What about those mostly homosexual Protestants!?
Malihah
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Unfortunately this is true. You can go out and celebrate tonight for all the dead souls that had their faith snuffed out and are headed to hell.
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